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Can decent look at Valhalla here: http://www.pga.com/pgachampionship/course/2014/tour/1
7th looks a cracking par 5, the 13th looks sensational and the I can envisage plenty of dramas on the 15th with that tiny green protected by sand and water. Tiger won last time with a score of -18 back in 2000 when he had that epic duel with that guy.
7th looks a cracking par 5, the 13th looks sensational and the I can envisage plenty of dramas on the 15th with that tiny green protected by sand and water. Tiger won last time with a score of -18 back in 2000 when he had that epic duel with that guy.
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Bob May was a brilliant last day too
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Looking at the market not many of the mid ranges are doing much of anything right now. Rory, Adam, Sergio, Rose and Ricky all playing some great golf lately, maybe throw in Furyk but he hates trophies. Along with Tiger and Phil, the second tier are either off the boil altogether, doing very little or in drug rehab - Kuch, Spieth, Bubba, Zach, Henrik, Kaymer and so on. Cream has really risen to the top recently, not sure who is gonna challenge the top bunch.
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fowler seems a logical choice but the current price doesn't float my boat.never really thought he was a great player in truth but hes obviously on a massive upward curve.
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see kevin na looks like being between 300 and 400 on bfair, gonna have to throw a little bit on him at those odds.
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Phew! Mickleson's odds have pretty much halved in the last few hours.
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I was ready to lump on Harris English for the PGA. However has anyone else noticed how bad his putting has been lately? I've not seen too much of it to notice but from shot tracker it's that bad he must near enough have the yips! He is playing beautiful and giving himself birdie after birdie chance from 5-10ft but is only converting about 20% of his chances if that which is woeful from 5-10ft.
Of the so called 2nd tier players, the only one I'd back with any real confidence is Matsuyama at a general 66/1. Hard to back against Rory at the minute though isn't it? |
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rory 6.4
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Harris English may be suffering the pressure of trying to make Tom Watson's Ryder Cup team. If I was Tom and intended picking him if he does not auto qualify, I would give him a call and tell him he is in. As for next week , I reckon Hunter Mahon may be a bit of value. G Mac also playing well. Rory is very obvious but value would be later on in the tournament.
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Sympathy bet on Garcia (hope his new girl sorts his head out).
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JUST HAD A GLANCE AT THE COURSE AND BY ALL ACCOUNTS LOOKS LIKE MAIN THING U NEED IS DISTANCE!! (sry caps)
I fear another rory show coming, which as much as I love to see I'm thinking I need to alter my outlook on the golf overall, I think the time of the 100+ ranking run is ending, the big boys gunna be in control a while! |
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2000 at valhala
results dont scream distance to me, of course they hit it so much further these days Tiger Woods 1 -18 66, 67, 70, 67 = 270 900,000.00 Bob May 2 -18 72, 66, 66, 66 = 270 540,000.00 Thomas Bjorn 3 -13 72, 68, 67, 68 = 275 340,000.00 Stuart Appleby 4 -12 70, 69, 68, 69 = 276 198,666.70 Greg Chalmers 4 -12 71, 69, 66, 70 = 276 198,666.70 Jose Olazabal 4 -12 76, 68, 63, 69 = 276 198,666.70 Franklin Langham 7 -11 72, 71, 65, 69 = 277 157,000.00 Notah Begay 8 -10 72, 66, 70, 70 = 278 145,000.00 Darren Clarke 9 -9 68, 72, 72, 67 = 279 112,500.00 Scott Dunlap 9 -9 66, 68, 70, 75 = 279 112,500.00 Tom Watson 9 -9 76, 70, 65, 68 = 279 112,500.00 Davis Love 9 -9 68, 69, 72, 70 = 279 112,500.00 Fred Funk 9 -9 69, 68, 74, 68 = 279 112,500.00 Phil Mickelson 9 -9 70, 70, 69, 70 = 279 112,500.00 Lee Westwood 15 -8 72, 72, 69, 67 = 280 77,500.00 Chris DiMarco 15 -8 73, 70, 69, 68 = 280 77,500.00 Michael Clark 15 -8 73, 70, 67, 70 = 280 77,500.00 Stewart Cink 15 -8 72, 71, 70, 67 = 280 77,500.00 Angel Cabrera 19 -7 72, 71, 71, 67 = 281 56,200.00 Robert Allenby 19 -7 73, 71, 68, 69 = 281 56,200.00 J. Hayes 19 -7 69, 68, 68, 76 = 281 56,200.00 Tom Kite 19 -7 70, 72, 69, 70 = 281 56,200.00 Lee Janzen 19 -7 76, 70, 70, 65 = 281 56,200.00 Steve Jones 24 -6 72, 71, 70, 69 = 282 41,000.00 Paul Azinger 24 -6 72, 71, 66, 73 = 282 41,000.00 Jarmo Sandelin 24 -6 74, 72, 68, 68 = 282 41,000.00 Skip Kendall 27 -5 72, 72, 69, 70 = 283 34,166.67 Tom Pernice 27 -5 74, 69, 70, 70 = 283 34,166.66 Brad Faxon 27 -5 71, 74, 70, 68 = 283 34,166.67 Kenny Perry 30 -4 78, 68, 70, 68 = 284 28,875.00 Stephen Ames 30 -4 69, 71, 71, 73 = 284 28,875.00 Mike Weir 30 -4 76, 69, 68, 71 = 284 28,875.00 Jean Van De Velde 30 -4 70, 74, 69, 71 = 284 28,875.00 Mark Calcavecchia 34 -3 73, 74, 71, 67 = 285 24,000.00 Ernie Els 34 -3 74, 68, 72, 71 = 285 24,000.00 Chris Perry 34 -3 72, 74, 70, 69 = 285 24,000.00 Blaine McCallister 34 -3 73, 71, 70, 71 = 285 24,000.00 Sergio Garcia 34 -3 74, 69, 73, 69 = 285 24,000.00 Toshi Izawa 39 -2 73, 73, 71, 69 = 286 20,500.00 Colin Montgomerie 39 -2 74, 72, 70, 70 = 286 20,500.00 Steve Pate 41 -1 75, 70, 74, 68 = 287 17,000.00 David Toms 41 -1 72, 68, 72, 75 = 287 17,000.00 Jeff Sluman 41 -1 73, 69, 72, 73 = 287 17,000.00 Paul Stankowski 41 -1 75, 72, 68, 72 = 287 17,000.00 Justin Leonard 41 -1 73, 73, 71, 70 = 287 17,000.00 |
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The results Donny say to back the young superstar with the world at his feet and a 32 year old yank who has never won diddly squat. Lock in the Rory McIlroy vs Chris Stroud showdown right now
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has it been raining at valhala ?
rory seems so much better away from bouncy courses these days |
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he does look an outstanding favourite whatever the conditions but double steaks if it rains
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http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/louisville-ky/40202/daily-weather-forecast/348428
Looks Rory friendly. |
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must admit Donny, when I looked at that list just now I thought I must be wrong, they don't look long at all most of them names, but in the top 12 there u have 1st/2nd/3rd/4th and 9th longest drivers in the event that year.
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Back in 2000 remember backing Tiger to birdie 18th every round at 4s i think with Powers....how on earth do i still remember that
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the highlights from that year in stats
out of top 12 placings - there rankings for driving distance - 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/9th out of top4 placings - there ranking greens in reg - 1st/2nd/4th/8th - so as always greens are important out of top 7 placings - putting ranks there was - 3rd/4th/4th/7th - with tiger the winner down in[b] 60th[/b] out of top 10 driving accuracy - only rankings were 7th/9th - with tiger back in 12th Now I have literally only glanced at the stuff so far, I mean 5 mins last night and 5 this morning so I'm not saying if there anything to these things as yet. but on the face of it looks to me like DISTANCE AND GREEN IN REG ARE THE ESSENSIALS DRIVING ACURACY AND PUTTING NOT SO MUCH. |
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see told u I'd only glanced - next thing I see is that in 2011 , every single green I think has been ripped up and completely redone - so the putting not being important part is obsolete and has no bearing on things now
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putting and gir tend to be inversely related
miss lots of greens and have easy chip and putt..... back fitting stats is dangerous too, as you are basing assumptions on one week 14 years ago, driving distance was probably 8 drives on 2 par 5s |
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absolutely agree Donny - have said every post not to take much out of these!! because of the type of stuff u mention, there just the raw stats.
the one thing we all seem to agree on is RORY is a VERY WORTHY FAVORITE!! |
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In 96 & 2000 it was a par 72. Now it is a 7400 par 71. I would expect the rough to be much more penal than it was for the ryder cup.
Looks to me like it will suit a long straight driver. The greens are meant to be firm and fast (although this will depend on the weather) so going in with long irons will be difficut. Every winner of the PGA since 2006 has been in the top 25 at the bridgestone the previous week. |
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That last stat by Mighty is the only stat to work with imo.
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Agreed stunning. This is the only major with a really high caliber event the week before giving the big boys a real test to find their groove. During the Bridgestone 4th round IBF was saying you need length and a high ball flight for Valhalla, he put up Adam and Day before mentioning Rory, being patriotic there but Adam is fair enough. If IBF is right about the profile not sure why he didn't mention Leishman with a bit of patriotism, has the traits and the Bridgestone form.
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what odds would you get if you took top 25 last week ?
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Leishman has to enter the equation,just a bit worried about that hook he seems to be fighting off the tee.Represents a great trading price at 65,can see him in the mix going down the stretch.
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shame about dusty bin, didn't know this -
first time ever at a major championship, every player in the Official World Golf Ranking's top 100 has committed to play!!!! |
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and tiger now of course
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he 2014 field includes 29 major champions, with 70 international players representing 24 countries. The only fully professional field in golf also adds 20 PGA Club Pros who earned their way in by way of performances at the PGA Professional National Championship staged last month in Myrtle Beach, S.C.
didn't realize how much strengh and depth there was to this. |
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One thing i remember about 2000,Tiger 6-7ft downhiller to make the playoff.Never in doubt.
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i can remember that putt like it was yesterday Frames, i had £300 irish pounds at 20-1 for Tiger to win 3 majors that year. Also had £200 at 150-1 to win Grand Slam but gone after the Masters. No Betfair in those days to manage positions. I should have asked Paddy Power for a price for coloured man to win all majors that year.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjMz8O2oE1w
For those who don't remember so well |
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What price do we think Rory will go off at on here ? Layed him at 6/1 during The Open ,had some back at 8/1,even got some at 11/1(not sure what happened there),layed again at 7/1,6/1 and again now at 5/1.The good early position has long gone.Need a drift like last week but don't see it happening unless his late start Thursday is a negative.
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I reckon 6.4 will be the best. Paddy Powers were best price 11/2 this morning but went to 5/1 five minutes after opening time. Hard to see him not in contention the way he is driving the ball and his confidence will be sky high. Beginning to show an aura like Tiger previously, all players looking for his name on leaderboard. I would not like to laying him for more than 6.4 Some bookies might quote 11/2 on wednesday morning but will scuttle back to the safety of 5/1 when someone puts £50 on him.
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Is there a course map anywhere?
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plenty about dunno if any better than eachother but heres one
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/golf/pga/2014/07/31/interactive-course-map-pga-championship/13430711/ |
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they have a overhead hole by hole of the changes since 2008 aswell, which could come in handy
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/golf/pga/2014/07/30/valhalla-different-course-ryder-cup/13383353/ |
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tnks
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6 footers were gimees for tiger in 2000
probably 9 feet before there was slim chance of him missing truely awesome |