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Has anyone else ever tried to reproduce this amazing system from a few years ago?
Incase you aren't aware of it Maria turned £3k into £100k in a year or so if I remember correctly. I have been doing it for small stakes over 2 weeks and so far so good!
Incase you aren't aware of it Maria turned £3k into £100k in a year or so if I remember correctly. I have been doing it for small stakes over 2 weeks and so far so good!
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A bit dubious from what i saw of it
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How can you be using her system? I thought she never revealed it. Do you mean her staking plan? If so you still gotta pick the right lays.
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Dubious in what way Tobermory?
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yep, sorry Wafty Cranker 2 I mean I am using her strategy with my selections
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Ok....could be something in it mathematically, but you still gotta get the right strike rate. Congratulations on your results so far. Think she is a moderator on Adrian Massey forum......so her selections may have something to do with his ratings??? Just an idea.
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Ok cheers mate, I will have a look at that. I am making the selctions on my own criteria and analysis at the minute and so far I have increased my bank 34% in 14 days and am currently at a 87% win rate(I think Maria always said you ahd to be over 85%).
There is loads of racing on at the minute which I am assuming is assisting but I was just wndering if anyone had tried the system over a longer period and continued to se a positive result. |
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Toma, just that from what i have seen/heard of it she was posting up her selections pre race , but only stating what odds she was matched at after the event.
Over a long period of bets whatever you are doing you will have a lot of winning/losing bets , and all that matters is wether they were Value prices overall .When she stated what price she was matched at it was always close to Bookies SP , which is the most fantastic value price you can Lay at over time. Had she been Laying them at 15-25% bigger prices - which the average person on here would be - then it might well have ended up £3,000 - £2,000 rather than 3k - 100k , even having exactly the same series of bets. It is in my experience incredibly hard to lay on here at Bookies SP consistently- actually i just can't see how you can do it - so either she was a genius with the market movements or else it was all a fairytale. As i said though i'm just going on a glance through it and what i've heard from others , so i'll have a detailed look and apologise if necessary :) |
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Tobermory, thanks for that I am trying to do what she did (I never seen her system in "Real Time") which I understand was to put up the prices she was being matched at 1 - 2 hrs before the racing started.
I am finding that I am getting matched on some selections at great prices (value) but on others like today I laid Quadrillion at 8.0 at 1pm it went off at 4/1 (5.0) fortunately it got beat. However, I have also laid Zabeel Palace at 4.3 it went off at 13/2 (7.5) it also got beat. I put all my selections up at 1pm long before recaing and these are the prices I have laid at. I thought that was what she did??? |
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http://www.expertbettingadvice.co.uk/forum/thread18432.html
that is the thread^ I'm going through it now Toma to see what she was doing :) |
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Thanks for letting me know the original thread I had lost it!
Like I say I am trying to follow her system if you wish my thread can be found at http://www.tipstar.co.uk/forums/post/90/#postid_90 |
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Zabeel Palace was my only lay today Toma. Great minds eh?
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yep, great minds buddy. I didn't like it today at all Wafty think it finished last of the 6!!!
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Is she really foriegn? very good grasp english
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grasp *of ffs
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hahaha...she is certainly better at the English than me thats for sure!
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you do fine Toma, where are you from?
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Newcastle mate..thats why I am sure her English language WILL be better than mine. Where you form ?
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Tobermory, I have just started looking through her thread and you are right "just that from what i have seen/heard of it she was posting up her selections pre race , but only stating what odds she was matched at after the event. "
Couldn't remember that before, I on the other hand am putting the prices up that I am being matched at when I post! |
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What i don't understand is she has all her selections picked by 11:30 every morning.
So has she layed them all at that time already? If so why no prices next to them (at a time when people can check to see if they've been matched that low) ? Maybe she hasn't got the lays matched then, they are just left up at the odds she wants . She's not on the forum during racing - fair enough maybe she goes to work - so can't post the odds if they are getting matched near the off . But how then does she never come back at the end of the day and say her Lay didn't get matche on this or that ?. Every single selection is matched :| No way that would happen if you put up 12 bets in the morning every day . So unless i'm missing smething i find it rather suspicous. :( |
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I on the other hand am putting the prices up that I am being matched at when I post!
I have a feeling it will be harder to make the 100k doing it like that :( |
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I hear what you are saying and it is a very valid argument. I had never really scrutinised it that much before. I have always liked the strategy she was using and now (finding myslef out of work) I have the time and the ammo to have a go at it!
Which is what I am doing, maybe I am just on a very lucky streak but I will continue and see how I get on! |
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Tobermory, If I make £1k I will be happy let alone £100k!!!
I wil continue to put MY prices up as I lay them at 1pm ish!!! |
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Fair Play Toma ,no one could dispute your results .
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Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maria, I would be most interested to know at what point you decide to take the price to lay? Virtually every price is less than the starting price (unless its drifted past your cut-off point) which I find quite amazing... have you some secret method? Interesting Question She replies with a long post explaining that she looks at the money stacked up on either side and has an intuition as to which way the market will move, and also looks at the graph of when/how much has been matched. MayoMan Posts: n/a Hi Maria, Excellent results again today. Are you sure you got £18.65 matched at 10.0 on Euro Route 4.20 Southwell ? Another good Q, presumably Mayo Man saw that much hadn't been matched at those odds ( SP was 14/1!) . Maria explains she had more matched at 10.8 and so 10.0 was the average. |
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9.8 rather
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Seems she would get some selections matched at the lowest part of the price bands in the morning but be following the markets all day ( presuambly i think, as when she doesn't lay them so low in relation to SP she explains she had visitors/ had to go out for the day etc) , and managing to get her Lays matched at pretty much the lowest odds that they ever were while the market was open.Great intuition if she could sense when the price had reached bottom.
Maybe it was easier to get Lays matched at good prices hours befoire the off in 2005 as there was more liquidity then in the early market? Doesn't seem that way these days. A mystery to me tbh. |
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The thing is that a lot more of my selections drift than shorten in the market. This is, really, how I get away with listing the selections here in the first place, to be honest, without it having much effect on the prices I lay to myself ... I take loads of early laying prices if I think they'll drift, which I try to judge, with varying degrees of success by "trading-style chart-reading" on the exchange.
How she explains the low prices she gets matched. |
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I'm matched on about two thirds of them before I post them, I'd say. If I really feel 50/50 about which way something's going to move, I guess that it will lengthen and go in early, but always letting someone else take my price rather than taking theirs - to me, it's almost never right just to lay to an available price without even trying. And sometimes I feel 90/10 instead of 50/50 about it, and sometimes I'm wrong even with those, of course ...
So identifying, hours before the race , which horses are going to drift , is the basis of her getting such good lay odds compared to SP . I can never tell which way they wil go .Sounds like Witchcraft to me! :) |
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[i]Walls
Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 13 Re: Maria's laying system -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Maria, I seem to have started following your lays at the worst possible time!! I must start by saying that this post is not to join the doom and gloom merchants and poo pooers out there but just to merely share my results. I am the one who has chosen to use your selections and do not hold you in anyway responsible. I started on the 19th June and have layed when able due to work commitments, England matches etc. Since then I have layed 123 selections with a SR of 82.93 I am down to 75% of my starting bank now but luckily my other laying systems have been ok so am at evens since I started using your tips. In general I have matched at similar prices to you apart from the losers ???[/i] :0 |
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Thanks Tobemory great analysis!
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djeezus, i which i would know a thing about horse racing.... read the Maria Laying System, it's amazing what she did...
it think i'll try to understand how the horse markets are working... i don't know anything about it... maybe do you guys have interesting basic reads? |
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Does concern me that she is matched on two thirds of the selections at the time she posts them up in the morning , but doesn't say which ones at the time , or what price .
Another concerning thing about the thread is there are references to posts from people querying how she is consistently matched so low , but the posts themselves can't be found , so presumably were deleted , and she was a Moderator of the Site . She does answer her critics by explaining she had is a good judge of market movements as had been watching financial markets since she was 15 , because that was what her father did for a living. |
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Tobermory, you have read loads more into this than I did and your observations are correct. However, the bottom line is that she did manage to find the losers which is ultimately what this kind of staking plan needs.
I accept that the odds are very important and that laying 3/1 winners at 7 & 8 is a quick route to the poor house but consistently finding the loser at 10/1 is the hard part. Just today I laid Contradiktive at Wolves at 7/2 this morning but it has gone off a 5/4 fav. Fortunately it got beat which is the main thing. I also though laid Nosedive at 13/2 and it has gone off 11/1.....so I think it kind of balances out over long periods. |
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We have implemented automated Maria staking plan:
http://www.marketfeederpro.com/solutions/trigger-example/staking-plans/maria/ |
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"Incase you aren't aware of it Maria turned £3k into £100k in a year or so if I remember correctly."
IIRC, she lied about prices. |
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This is what I am now hearing Norma and I am amazed by this revelation. I still think it is a brilliant money managment system but I am so pleased that I am showing the prices I am matched at before racing starts on my version!
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I would like to add a few general comments on what I understand about the system, and why it was (allegedly) sucessful.
1. Early lays - good idea for laying. That way you can get under the SP. 2. Lays between 3.5 and 12.0 - good value for lays, especially in large fields. More of these drift than steam, also. 3. Small stakes as percentage of bank : She took some terrible hits, but made it to the end because of staking discipline. Some of her bad days would have killed off most punters. 4. Long term approach - day in, day out, day after day, week after week. It takes a kind of determination and discipline which escapes most punters. 5. Progressive staking - gradually increasing her stake as she succeeded, compounding profits as she went. The selections themselves were probably rather random lays in that price band. The real point is that Maria "showed" what we bookies have known all along...keep your overround high and your liabilities under control. Long term, you will win. Good stuff. |
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"Think she is a moderator on Adrian Massey forum......so her selections may have something to do with his ratings??? Just an idea."
Her System was posted on EBA. She was also a moderator on EBA. |
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Toma where are you posting your selections?
thanks. interesting thread. Did Maria make 100k? I would like to think she did. |