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Thatcherite:

Ones whose walls are covered by pictures Baroness Thatcher, the greatest Prime Minster in the history of British Politics. Recites those famous words on the hour every hour;
To those waiting with bated breath for that favourite media catchphrase, the U-turn, I have only one thing to say: You turn if you want to. The lady's not for turning!

Thatcher town at an elevation of 2,900 feet. is in the Gila River Valley approximately 160 miles southeast of Phoenix, 120 miles northeast of Tucson and four miles northwest of Safford in Graham County.

I believe Mark has extensive knowledge on events in Africa.

He seems to have got through the fortune his mother gave him from the Saudi arms deal.

He's a reminder of the utter worthlessness of the people at the top.
An antidote to the Daily Mail propaganda which tells us that they are wealth-creating risktakers and utter geniuses.

Panorama is a good shout. Let's put the cheeting course **kers out of the game. Horses going 1000 before the hurdle and then falling a second or two later. Sounds fair pmsl.

Why the 1 second delay? Totally pointless if the TV pics are 3 and 4 seconds behind. If its caveat emptor lets have 1 second or no seconds in football too.

A longer bet placement delay may be necessary then. Because its not just faller backers who get stung. Lay something else just as a faller comes down and you are hoovered also.

I doubt the sums lost by 0-0 backers compares to the sums one and lost when a hot favourite falls over jumps and 30 desperadoes at the track all have a fastest finger first to make their money for the day.

Sorry thought your point was if something cannot win then the bet should be void

doubled.... it should be...

but the crazy regulators deicded if a bookie knew a horse had lost ( ie the race was over) they could still accept losing bets - and that was still legal

madness.... labour party... policed by a conservative party that was even more daft than them

caborn
jowel
wittingdale
moss
mcintosh

my god..... these clowns build the gambling act - and NEVER understood it

Once there is a longer bet placement delay and IR liquidity goes down and the thieves are out of the game and bf's profits are down, the picture speed issue will soon be miraculously resolved (NAP).

I may include that line in my email to Panorama. Any other pearls of wisdom?

Dear Panorama

Yes there is a trading room at racecourses where people go and make thousands laying horses that are on the floor. Other people have made millions with raw feed pictures.

In both cases the public at home are betting on something they might not realise has already happened and are being fleeced.

Betfair turn a blind eye to this and even take an extra 20% of the profits.

Racing journalists have been known to bet at the track and at work with faster pictures so have been loathe to discuss the issue.

Staff at SIS are believed to have taken advantage of their faster pictures too and the company charges 7k a year for their slightly slower 'fast pics' they sell on.

The slowest pics are on ATR - a sister company of SIS.

You're right DOUBLED nothing to see here. Lol!

to be honest, current tracksiders and courtsiders have nothing to worry about.


Betfair want the comision today over the long term sustainability of thier product ( ie they dont understand)

And the GC ceratinly dont understand and can be fooled into doing whatever gambling opperators want them to do.

read the GC review of IR - it is a inditment on them

I look forward to seeing this episode of Panorama.

When is it on please?

While I agree that the tracksiders aren't engaged in wrong-doing, it is not in the public interest for them to be indulged in the way they are now.
It is unlikely that newbies wil understand what is happening to them until they have lost a significant sum. They may then become totally disenchanted and lose all interest in betting on sport, which is not in our interest, never mind BF's.
I don't expect the hooverer's to agree.

pmsl

The tracksiders are **ing betfair, it's betfair the bookmaker who are **ing the dimwits betting from home. Some of these will even be using cable pictures. It's all one saying no one is forcing you to play but if you think everyone reads the forum and knows the degree of the delays then you're delusional about the species you belong to. The fact clowns like Doubled and Reuben claim to be able to make fortunes speaks for itself.

Increasing delays is not the answer as that would just increase the advantage the tracksiders would have. Utilising the bet placement delay to your advantage should itself be looked at.

Betfair realise that giving clear warnings about delays (e.g. pointing all customers to videos showing the raw, sis, atr, cable pictures side by side and illustrating the market maker advantage) would be "ratner-esque" even though they recognise it would be in their long term interests to lose most of the pc payers. The last thing they want is for the dimwits to realise the extent to which they've been **ed in the lead up to a float. I don't think they're looking beyond that.

I am not sure how the 'float' really changes things. Wray and Black trousered £15m each for selling 1% each of Betfair to Softbank afew years ago putting a £1.5bn valuation on the company. I doubt the valuation has increased since then.

Surely the float would be to raise new capital to expand the business rather than to payout more to Black and Wray. At the very least I doubt they would sell all their stock. They would still have a longterm interest in the future of the company.

PEOPLE WHO LOSE THEIR MONEY WHEN A HORSE FALLS IN A RACE..... SHOCK. TO ALL THE MOANERS WHY NOT HAVE A FEW QUID ON WITH THE HIGH STREET FIRMS AND SEE HOW MUCH YOU GET BACK IF YOUR HORSE FALLS - DOUGH PEAK HUNTS :)