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REVISITED : THE FAIRNESS OF INRUNNING BETTING

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By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 13 Dec 09 12:45
Afternoon Reubers. Any more tales from Lazy Acre for us plebs?
By:
Rueben
When: 13 Dec 09 12:50
SO PEOPLE WANT TO LEAVE BETS UP TO TRY AND GET A BETTER PRICE IN-RUNNING BUT IF THEIR HORSE FALLS THEY SHOULD NOT LOSE THEIR MONEY - PMSL
By:
slayerofthe'kins
When: 13 Dec 09 17:04
Oh dear, I thought after reading 16 pages a new argument against inrunning might have been put forward. Still the same dull old irrelevant trash I see. Some people really need more to do.
By:
winningthought
When: 13 Dec 09 17:05
so the next 3 pages are more of the same slayer?
By:
The Magician (100)
When: 13 Dec 09 17:12
slayer of kins....

Agree debate is old and opinions are semi set - but I remain open to be conmvinced of new things and options.


I think the only real change is that fallers CANNOT win races now. they cannot remount, win and be awarede the race.

They are ineligiable... so they will not be awarded the race.

This is a technical change - that has an impact, but the GC have made no comment on this to my knowledge.


some thoughts to sovle this

1) reverse the price priotiy of matched bets, it that the bets hsould be matched at the incoming price limit, not the limit of the net already in the system

2) run a continuos series of 1,2,3,4 second auctions, that cross match ( or pools bet ) all money in the system

both of these will give more protetching to the casual punter - and he is the one betfair are currently endoursing the fleecing of
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 13 Dec 09 17:28
slayer, if you're attempting to right a wrong it will never be resolved by stating your case once and then dropping it. I can just see you visiting Nelson Mandela in his 28th year in prison. "Let it go Nelson. Let it go."
By:
Moon Light
When: 13 Dec 09 18:52
lol at Feck!
That's got to be your best ever post!
By:
DOUBLED
When: 14 Dec 09 10:00
Feck thinks that it is fair for in-running punters leaving bets up to be matched at bigger prices than are currently available and if their selection falls they should get their money back :)
By:
Moon Light
When: 14 Dec 09 10:03
Are you against people being able to cancel unmatched bets, DOUBLED?
That is rather a radical change to the way that BF works.
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 14 Dec 09 10:08
If everyone knows the situation regarding delays I don't particularly have a problem with fallers. Everybody doesn't though and betfair seem quite happy to ** those in the dark. That said, I don't really see the point of your post Doubled. If a horse is trading at 4.0 pre-race and I put up a request for 6.0 does that mean I deserve to be mugged on the way to to the shops.
By:
page-413
When: 14 Dec 09 10:10
I love it thanks
By:
krl
When: 14 Dec 09 10:14
Why can`t all interested parties get their act together and talk ,so ALL pictures are relayed say .5 secs behind live. Think off all the extra revenue it would create - over to you betfair.
By:
Moon Light
When: 14 Dec 09 10:20
Nefarious interests are at work, krl.
Your suggestion is sound, if it could be implemented, but would not be popular with those currently getting rich on an unfair basis.
By:
DOUBLED
When: 14 Dec 09 10:51
Feck - I am sure you would be delighted to be matched at 1000 for your 6 request because the horse has been incorrectly called as a faller by the commentator !
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 14 Dec 09 11:42
Doubled, I would also be delighted if my bank accidentally deposited a billion pounds in my account and told me just to keep it. The remote possibility of that happening does not mean I think bankers should be allowed to rape the country.
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 14 Dec 09 11:43
Anyway, why are you directing this sh1t at me when it is not particularly an issue for me?
By:
krl
When: 14 Dec 09 13:11
No just in the interests of fairness Moon Light, whilst potentially sorting out a few other problems as well. Oh and by the way its certainly not as easy in an exchange shop as many people make out. The track guys should have a very good advantage, their problem is they try to cut each others throat.
By:
Okuma
When: 20 Dec 09 13:21
If Betfair want to make it fairer they should get rid of keep bets. I saw a keep bet get swept up on 0-1 in the HT correct score market when it went to 1-1, a free £180 for the layer.

Yesterday I matched a £190 keep bet when a 2.5 shot became a 5.0 shot (if I didn't match it someone else would). This got me thinking about how much I've made from keep bets and I wouldn't be suprised if it's over £3k. But I'm not looking for them and only using the standard website and regular pics. I wonder if the keep bets group are among the people who are losing too quickly and not coming back.
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 20 Dec 09 13:50
I saw a keep bet get swept up on 0-1 in the HT correct score market when it went to 1-1, a free £180 for the layer.

To think of the fees bookmakers are charged by the GC to ensure fairness in betting, yet this mob think the above is perfectly fair and acceptable as does their cohorts betfair.

The business community in this country is morally sick and it's only a matter of time before they bring violence down on themselves.
By:
Okuma
When: 20 Dec 09 14:59
Interestingly they dont allow keep bets to be placed on the correct score market, but they do on half time correct score and a lot of similar markets.
By:
The Magician (100)
When: 20 Dec 09 18:58


Okuma 20 Dec 14:21


If Betfair want to make it fairer they should get rid of keep bets. I saw a keep bet get swept up on 0-1 in the HT correct score market when it went to 1-1, a free £180 for the layer.

Yesterday I matched a £190 keep bet when a 2.5 shot became a 5.0 shot (if I didn't match it someone else would). This got me thinking about how much I've made from keep bets and I wouldn't be suprised if it's over £3k. But I'm not looking for them and only using the standard website and regular pics. I wonder if the keep bets group are among the people who are losing too quickly and not coming back.


brilliant real life examples....

but Betfair (stupidly) lobbied the GC that due to the number of experts in the market, IR bets where getting matched at close to fair value.... and the GC even more stuoidly concluded they where correct

you could not make it up...
By:
The Magician (100)
When: 20 Dec 09 19:00
Okuma 20 Dec 15:59


Interestingly they dont allow keep bets to be placed on the correct score market, but they do on half time correct score and a lot of similar markets.



email the GC and ask why this is allowed.....
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