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Feck N. Eejit, it is NOT **ing.
The technology is available. People are aware that there are delays between LIVE.....SATELLITE.....INTERNET.....TELEPHONE....et**inceterate. It is all available. If you feel that you are not adequately equipped to bet in-running, don't. So there will be no panorama special since there is no story. |
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If everyone was aware there wouldn't be people making fortunes from fast pics and, as I pointed out earlier, your defense of ir could be applied equally to shell and pea stalls.
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Feck N. Eejit 25 Nov 07:22
If everyone was aware there wouldn't be people making fortunes from fast pics ROFL :D |
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Are people making money from fast pics? If so, where does that money come from?
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There must be an army of mugs, or people couldn't pay the high costs associated with fast pics,
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Feck N. Eejit 25 Nov 07:22 If everyone was aware there wouldn't be people making fortunes from fast pics Okay, feck step one in warning the world: get a blog. Very easy to set up. step two: post your concerns and facts step three: work on the certain keywords to get your blog noticed when people search for the facts. You are now on the path to saving punters one at a time. As for yourself, if you do not like the conditions of a bet, whether in-running, going, weather conditions, injury report, etc.....don't bet. You will sleep better at night. Best of luck with your mission but, at the end of the day, the fast pic players are mainly trading amongst themselves. The end Fade to black |
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and unfortunately your quote rings of jealousy or as someone who has lost money playing in-running.
I win I lose But I am aware of the conditions. THE END FADE TO BLACKER..... |
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So in running betting on horses was set up so the people at the track or with access to the fastest pictures should win more money/most of the money compared to those with more knowledge, expereince, ability etc. pmsl.
Betfair should try and eliminate the time advantage and let the best people win, not those that can be bothered to travel to the track. |
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step one in warning the world: get a blog. Very easy to set up.
step two: post your concerns and facts step three: work on the certain keywords to get your blog noticed when people search for the facts. You are now on the path to saving punters one at a time. Sure thing. Why don't I save all the people fleeced by shell and pea gangs, those ripped off by banks, and pensioners fleeced of their life savings by roofers while I'm at it. Clearly all they do all day is google circumstances where they might get ripped off by what they think is reputable companies. As for yourself, if you do not like the conditions of a bet, whether in-running, going, weather conditions, injury report, etc.....don't bet. You will sleep better at night. So provided I don't let roofers rip me off for my life savings I shouldn't bother about pensioners suffering a similar fate? If I don't like racing insiders laying non-triers I shouldn't complain, I should just stop betting? I shouldn't mind betfair getting bad publicity or me being taxed by the government because of the glut of professional **s? Best of luck with your mission but, at the end of the day, the fast pic players are mainly trading amongst themselves. So they're all paying a few ton a week on top of travelling expenses to win off each other? and unfortunately your quote rings of jealousy or as someone who has lost money playing in-running. Incorrect. You sound like someone who is either a fast pic player or a total @rse sooking, crowd pleaser. But I am aware of the conditions. Are you the universe? THE END FADE TO BLACKER..... These little sign offs of yours are hilarious. |
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I've just seen that the banks have "won" their appeal in the Supreme Court against the previous rulings in favour of the OFT re. the unfair imposition of "criminal" charges for unauthorised overdrafts.
If the OFT can't be backed in law when it appeals against blatant unfairness then I see little hope that "fairness" as a concept will prevail in this debate. |
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Some Banks paid back in full a large number of customers prior to the court proceedings.
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Good for them but will others follow? As for IR, BF has a golden goose for the moment...but do they know the moral of that story?
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They are trying to get the oven door closed as we speak.
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Moon Light,You come across as a very caring person,a credit to the Forum!
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" Pensioners fleeced by roofers...". Do these roofers have an advantage because they can see the race track from the roofs ? Please explain.
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Dear o Dear,good ol artie the Forum wit.
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Strange Betfair have a popup warning when you try and put a back order up over a 99/1 yet not popup warning for inrunning....
'you are about to place a bet inrunning on a race on ATR. Beware if you are watching the race on ATR the pictures are typically around 4 seconds behind the pictures available to Betfair customers at the racecourse' Using could elect to not display the popup if they wish in account settings. |
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Dear o dear,good ole Vital, the forum halo wearer,guardian of all that is good and true and fair in betting.The un-elected ( and unwanted ? ) Betfair punters representative .
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thats a great idea frog. It could be used as a warning to distinguish the new unmanaged football also.
It doesnt do away with being able to bet on outcomes with 0% chance of winning, but it is a good step forward. put it to Betfair |
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feck, if you want to stick to the facts, more than happy to discuss and, whether you think so or not, I do respect other people's opinions.
But your statement of "**ing" is not correct. If someone wants to spend the money and invest the time to be at the tracks, position people on phones, etc, that is his right as it is yours. If people are asking betfair to make the "warning" larger on the rules, fine, send an email and ask them. People screamed when Troy McClure set up over the ocean for tennis. Was he **ing? No, he got on an airplane, booked into a hotel, and worked from there. Some others had satellite feeds that others did not. Are they **ing? No. You can buy one. I have access to a slingbox set up in Canada. It runs anywhere from 4 second to 10 seconds but I do get access to a cleaner stream for football and baseball. My in-running is based on momentum rather than point to point. I met someone that pays a person to sit at dog tracks and simply tell him about the track conditions. Is he **ing? No. Has he got an edge over others who do not have the information. Possibly yes (i believe he does). Can I do the same? Yes, if I want. Soon you'll be asking Betfair to supply SIS to the nation so that it is fair. There is no "**ing". And if you feel "**ed" then walk away. Life is too short. And, just so you find a little comedy in all this. Run credits Produced, written and directed by Shapeshifter Based on the rantings of feck THE END Fade to black |
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frog2, they have:
Customers should be aware that: 1. transmissions described as "live" by some broadcasters may actually be delayed; 2. the extent of any such delay may vary, depending on the set-up through which they are receiving pictures or data; and 3. information (such as jockey silks, saddlecloth numbers etc) is provided "as is" and is for guidance only. Betfair does not guarantee the accuracy of this information and use of it to place bets is entirely at your own risk. If people are going to bet without reading the rules of the sport, including the link giving a more indepth description, they have entered into a position without the proper knowledge and are taking a chance that someone with the knowledge will take the money (please see the moneysavingexpert thread on the place market). |
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Sandown, what odds the judge has been got at? The government no longer see the unfairness of these charges because it's them that are now footing most of the bill. Those who were ripped off are now being forced to 'donate' those charges to pay for the incompetence, bonuses and pensions of the criminal banking s c u m.
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Shapeshifter I am making no moral judgements on those betting with the fastest pics or who are using the market maker advantage to cancel bets where play has gone against them while leaving those where play has gone their way up. If betfair the bookmaker want to match bets they, as bookmakers, are stupid to match but that does not give them the right to to make it up by mugging other clients regardless of how dim those clients are.
Your arguments in betfair's favour are flawed. I'm sure the banks have their charges written in small print. Are you saying you support them charging some pensioner over a ton because a standing order took their balance into the red by a penny? |
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*If betfair the bookmaker want to match bets they, as bookmakers, are stupid to match that does not give them the right to to make it up by mugging other clients regardless of how dim those clients are.
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Feck, you may be right although no doubt "got at" won't be the term applied. Pointing out that rejecting the bank's appeal might put banks at further risk of going belly up, might be the spin.
Alternatively,how many stupid interpretations of the law have we heard from judges in the past? They have form in this respect. |
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Feck
Your arguments in betfair's favour are flawed. I'm sure the banks have their charges written in small print. Are you saying you support them charging some pensioner over a ton because a standing order took their balance into the red by a penny? The thread has to do with in-running and betfair, not shell and pea, not banks. Post on chit chat on banking and more than happy to put up my views. Sorry, how are my "arguments flawed"? I'm always into learning and understanding since the conditions of betting on betfair are clear to me. On in-running and those that are, as you put it, dim - then they should not be using a tool for bettting that they are not able to understand. The signs are there. There are sharks in the water. I choose not to swim there. |
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shapeshifter just because you choose not to bet there doesnt mean others who choose to bet there have no right to seek a fairer environment. Read Thurnscoe's comments, he is a keen and experienced inrunning bettor, and he is not happy with the staus quo.
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frog2 25 Nov 12:07
Strange Betfair have a popup warning when you try and put a back order up over a 99/1 yet not popup warning for inrunning.... 'you are about to place a bet inrunning on a race on ATR. Beware if you are watching the race on ATR the pictures are typically around 4 seconds behind the pictures available to Betfair customers at the racecourse' and then have to kill their web browser/power off their computer if they want to cancel the bet. |
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SHAPESHIFTER 25 Nov 12:28
frog2, they have: Customers should be aware that: 1. transmissions described as "live" by some broadcasters may actually be delayed; 2. the extent of any such delay may vary, depending on the set-up through which they are receiving pictures or data; and 3. information (such as jockey silks, saddlecloth numbers etc) is provided "as is" and is for guidance only. Betfair does not guarantee the accuracy of this information and use of it to place bets is entirely at your own risk. If people are going to bet without reading the rules of the sport, including the link giving a more indepth description, they have entered into a position without the proper knowledge and are taking a chance that someone with the knowledge will take the money (please see the moneysavingexpert thread on the place market). ...... Are you infavour of the current warning? Remember how hard we had to fight to get them to even put that up. At the time there were people on the forum arguing against it. Why no popup warning for picture delays when they have them for backs over 99/1? |
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Increasing warnings about 'live' pictures/events I agree with you totally frog,
but it's difficult to take your views seriously when you've pedalled the idea that BF have been 'forced' to introduce the Premium charge in order to redress their problem of supposed ** winners, that other bookmakers haven't had to (FFS) BF wants to (maybe not unreasonably) maximise profits - detering in running betting regardless of criteria is unlikely to be in their interests , just as the PC isn't anything to do with what you and some others suggest it is. |
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nice bit of hoovering pre suspension at lingfield on a stuck in the stalls
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maybe they should bet on cricket, no stall stickers there imo
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While I agree that that the courtsiders and racecourse people aren't **ing, it is clear that they have an unfair advantage, which isn't the same thing.
I don't believe it's in the interest of anyone but themselves to have this situation tolerated. The people who are losing so heavily inrunning are either going to burn out quickly and irreversibly as Betfair clients, or they are problem gamblers who need protection from their own addiction. If Befair hadn't so thoroughly succumbed to greed, they would actually have been making far more money by now, imo Too many people are stuck forever on 5% commission, a level which makes it very hard to become a winning punter. A larger class of winning punters would have made BF really take off, whereas it appears to me to be stagnating. Where is there any growth? Inrunning tennis perhaps. If people are being burnt out quickly there, the growth will be short-term, and reversed. |
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The exchange model is developing year on year via it's increasing market base,
it continues to grow customer base both in the UK and particuarly outside of the UK (FACT) |
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and most of them have little interest in the seedy betting medium of horse racing, which should probably be banned to allow a fairer playing field - eh Frog ? Feck ?
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You sound like one of these sports ir 'experts' brentford. How come this country is awash with them and why does their expertise not extend to pre-play betting?
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This is a serious question. Where does the money come from? Surely anyone getting hoovered would have learned by nownever to leave bets up. Surely there can't be that much new money entering the system? Is it simply fast-pic players stealing off each other?
Please, someone explain. |
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I suspect I could just about make that keep me in profit on cricket
Feck, you sound like one of thes insider knowledge bettors on horses who doesn't want his bet to spook the market... |
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The thread has to do with in-running and betfair, not shell and pea, not banks. Post on chit chat on banking and more than happy to put up my views.
There is no banking forum Shapeshifter. Sorry, how are my "arguments flawed"? I'm always into learning and understanding since the conditions of betting on betfair are clear to me. You already know why, that's why you dodged the banking and shell and pea analogies. On in-running and those that are, as you put it, dim - then they should not be using a tool for bettting that they are not able to understand. So, no one should put their car into a garage unless they're a mechanic. If they're not and are charged for unneccessary work it's their own fault. The signs are there. There are sharks in the water. I choose not to swim there. No shark signs that I can see. |
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if you have a clue about cricket you'll no doubt understand that the beauty of the game is in the pre match inponderables...pitch conditions, weather etc
I guess succesful pre off Horse racing bettors must have a huge ** or advantage to make it pay...or is that unfair ??? (horrible when people suggest something inaccurate ) |