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I would say that is an accurate description of many pre-rave horse racing bettors. They're called jockey's and trainer's fronts.
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so can you clarify what you are then ?
so that I can make a misleading case about what you do... |
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I am a horse racing bettor who is anti-**ing (whether that be via insider knowledge or built in liquidity boosting **s).
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Gamblers,some, are not subject to what could be classed as normal,in this case the highly addictive In Running Betting.
Apparently Betfair has up to 2 million users,and no doubt like any other business it must replenish and extend it's customer base. Perhaps monies gained from dubios sources,crime for example,maybe also helps provides liquidity. |
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" Highly addictive" ? Says who ? Idiotic assertion.
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so someone that can't make money trading without **ing in effect Feck.
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Nowhere near as addictive as crusading.
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You are beginning to sound deranged brentford. In what way do I **?
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I didn't say you did...so why would I be deranged ?
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You want horse racing banned. You told me I can't win without **ing. You now tell me you didn't. Are we about to be bored to death by semantics?
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Feck puts his request in , anyone who jumps in front is a ** ?
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I've never said I wanted horse racing banned and I've never said you were a ** ...(genuinely confused by those suggestions tbh)
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I suggested that with all your concerns about Horse racing betting maybe it should be looked at closely, as I hear a lot less concerns over more 'public accesible' sports..
I suggested that clearly you couldn't make trading (as opposed to straight betting) pay on your chosen sport. |
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the seedy betting medium of horse racing, which should probably be banned to allow a fairer playing field
so someone that can't make money trading without **ing in effect Feck Those weren't your posts brentford? NB Neither myself or frog are looking for ir to be banned. |
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the first one is an open question
the second not only a pre advertised misrepresentation but also what you have always given the impression of as being anything but your mode of betting. |
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I see how you left off the key bit at the end for the first one...
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the first one is an open question
No, it was a suggestion, which you support, to myself and frog. the second not only a pre advertised misrepresentation but also what you have always given the impression of as being anything but your mode of betting. If I had a lower IQ I might've understood that. |
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On 25/11/09 07:39 ********* *********wrote:
Re Unmanaged Football Matches. Protection For Some! This introduction by Betfair Bookmakers is nothing short of a disgrace. The only markets that gave full protection to everyone was/is MANAGED Soccer Matches. It appears these will remain so could you answer this,please. Apart from the popularity aspect why are Betfair Bookmakers introducing this,GREED or...... Why should Betfair Bookmakers offer protection on MANAGED Soccer Matches at all,where on every other Betfair Bookmaker In Play Market,this protection is not offered. So why not remove this MANAGED protection,and have a free for all. Regards ******** ********* username ******** Thank you for your e-mail. We have introduced this service on non-televised lower league matches in order to offer more opportunities for our users to bet in-play. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further enquiries. Kind regards ***** ****** Betfair Helpdesk |
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**s now being defined by literary grasp ... :|
Even I fear for me here... the first was an intended question (sorry feck, please forgive me) the second that either you are mental or choose not to use the BF interface for profit out of principle and therefore believe to be a **ers charter or....simply for some reason can't make money out of it, despite it being so very easy presumably ( haven't really tried it myslelf in the way you always suggest...but must be easy ) |
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It's irrelevant whether I ** or not. I'm not moralising to fast pic players or market makers. I'm at loggerheads with them because they want to continue doing it and I think betfair should stop it for their own long term good.
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Are you sure ?
I'm certain that at a number of times, you've suggested criticism of the PC is from people that ** or bet in some form of unethical manner...it's the only reason I'm engaging in the argument - and I call you a liar if you say you haven't. |
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Most are **ing but I don't blame them for doing it. If they didn't someone else would.
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Feck, you didn't answer one of my questions. You said I know where mine is flawed because of something to do with banking and shell games. Again, I don't see the connection. Please set up a chit chat thread for banking and perhaps I'll discuss it there.
I didn't "dodge" anything concerning the in-running. You're either having alot of fun typing away or need to take a step back and read your views. I guess I just stick to the facts at hand rather than comparing oranges, apples and garage mechanics. Either way, your views are becoming laughable to me, atleast. ----- Stop using hypotheticals and deal with what is on the table. You will gain alot more respect. Next thing you will bring in issues of world food shortages and how some people have better access. Vital Spark: it is disappointing that betfair have chosen to have markets unmanaged. I thought their idea of opening at half time was a good one. Allowed people to lay-off, adjust knowing that there were no surprises. NHL was unmanaged for years. We all knew it so if you traded, you were taking a big, big chance but, as I said, we knew this. It surprises me since the cost to have betfair have a person at a match with satellite phone in hand in the press box would be nothing for the credibility it would generate. The only way I would use unmanaged markets would be to lay off or reposition once I know what has happened. But to trade actively, no, it makes no sense to me, atleast. So, again, I simply make a decision not to play while others will lose money getting caught out because they chose to play knowing it was unmanaged. Their chose not mine. |
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Feck, HOW are they "**ing"?
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Tell you what:
In general, how do people "**" on betfair? |
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Shapeshifter, you're the one doing most of the typing trying to dig yourself out of your fawning, crawling, crowd pleasing hole. Anyone who has a problem with the bank analogy is a clown.
Why don't you tell me HOW they're not **ing because your obviously not up to the market maker advantage. |
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Feck, re : most are **ing
a few are **ing (I'd imagine) - though easilly navigated in so many non horse racing sports... and i agree with making their lives tougher and protecting casual/ new punters especially...consistent with everything I post - To the extent of always posting any vaguely useful links when I'm on the cricket forum ( sometimes been derided for it in quiet markets though not by anyone I wouldn't already consider dubious) I consistently find your agenda though to be well beyond legitimacy and reasonable interpretations of what is and isn't 'ok' to bet/trade on succesfully. |
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My agenda is for betfair to hang on to clients, to avoid bringing exchanges into disrepute and the removal of any incentive for the government to introduce taxation. I've already lost a season's profits due to the introduction of the **'s / copycat's tax which is also a barrier to attracting new customers.
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one mans ** is another mans edge.
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sounds like massive self interest largely Feck (with repsect).
I'm happy to pay income tax at appropriate levels for the year as and when figures are approriate.. new customer base is already busting the bag - most of them like football unfortunately for both of us... |
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to avoid bringing exchanges into disrepute and the removal of any incentive for the government to introduce taxation
already lost a season's profits due to the introduction of the **'s / copycat's tax which is also a barrier to attracting new customers. I've highlighted the key bits to avoid my derangement kicking in.... |
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Am I correct saying you have have paid the **s/copycat tax Feck ?
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I've never denied self interest. I'd be well fkd if betfair went down the pan. That's not to say the **ing doesn't sicken me. Paying income tax would be less of an annoyance than the loss of liquidity and the dearth of new customers, it would bring about.
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No frames but my point wasn't that only **s and copycats paid it. It was that there'd be no need for it in their absence.
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Paying income tax would be less of an annoyance than the loss of liquidity and the dearth of new customers, it would bring about.
errrr - elaboration required for that imo... |
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People who don't understand the pc think the supposed 20% better odds is wiped out by the "20% commission". What would they make of 25% tax on top of that?
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ye gods, the day they resort to targeting stake tax ( @ state level) is nothing to do with your agendas ffs,
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What you talking about? I'm talking about the state taxing profits ffs.
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how the hell is taxing any punter at a level beyond minimal impact useful ? as a reintroduction ?
go for it if the gov thinks you'll have to cope with it... |
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I would welcome state tax on profit..
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