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By:
brentford
When: 20 Jul 24 18:03
could easily appoint Carsley as an interim with a view to seeing both how he does and who's available in 6 months time..
By:
MALAY
When: 20 Jul 24 18:14
everybody is available in football if you have cash, and i assume the english FA have loads, or can get it.
By:
brentford
When: 20 Jul 24 18:16
not always about cash though..

Howe has the club managerial opp of a lifetime currently..Klopp probably wants a break and Guardiola who knows..
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 Jul 24 18:17
Gareth started as interim, good shout that Brentford.
By:
MALAY
When: 20 Jul 24 18:21
I'm not an england fan, but i do recognise the head coach position is of high stature in the game, and plenty would be interested.
My reference to cash would be buying out contracts, not just salary.
By:
tobermory
When: 20 Jul 24 18:37
The England job is not top tier anymore.

Yes the FA paid Southgate £5M a year. City pay Pep £19.5M.

If you have a job like Newcastle or Villa would you give that up for England?

No way Emery would walk out on Villa for it. Eddie Howe might leave Newcastle for it, but only if he suspects he might be halfway out the door there anyway.*

*I know that interview is being interpreted as him wanting to stay at Newcastle, but if you read between the lines there are some changes he is unhappy with...

reported that he had a final say on any transfer target previously, but from now on players can be signed without his say so.
By:
MALAY
When: 20 Jul 24 18:37
As i said previously betting on these markets you need to try and get into head of people selecting the candidate, I think carsley would be underwhelming appointment for england fans, potter and howe likewise, not saying they are bad coaches, not at all, but FA are playing to an upset audience.
I think they will splash the cash on this.
By:
tobermory
When: 20 Jul 24 18:41
You are likely to end up with a 2nd tier at best coach, not an elite guy.

Of the people who might take it Eddie is the stand out.

Of those who would definitely take it I'm not seeing why Lampard is worse than Potter/Carsley.

Only problem with Frank I can see is that the job advert posted says a UEFA pro licence is required and Lampard just has the 'A' licence.

Those things can usually be smoothed over though, if Frank does the necessary courses. He'd have plenty of time to.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 Jul 24 18:45
England job is huge, as you are shooting
for footballs biggest trophies.

Salary at top club sides is huge

Pep ain't winning world cup at citeh.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 20 Jul 24 18:46
Considering Howe and Emery are both on £4 mil a year, going to England would be financial promotion.

Only the top 4 clubs pay above £5mil, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, United. Even new Chelsea manager is on less than £5 mil.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 Jul 24 18:48
Emery would leave villa for Spain, not sure England would
consider him unless they wanted club manager and
a dozen or so others turned them down.

He is a great manager though.
By:
MALAY
When: 20 Jul 24 18:53
why would they not consider him if you think hes great manager ?
By:
tobermory
When: 20 Jul 24 18:57
Problem for England's prospects is there is a mismatch with the FA approach and the current situation of the team.

The FA are very committed to long term goals and have been since about 2010.

There was the clock as the training facilty counting down for years to England winning the 2022 World Cup...

All about 'marginal gains' and 'planting seeds' that will bear fruit in 8-10 years time. And so they want a coach like Potter with some long term vision.

But England are not in a long term situation. Their requirements are very short term actually....

In NFL parlance they should be in 'Win Now' mode, not thinking about 8 years time. They have the players to win the World Cup in 2 years and the only thing holding them back is shyte, cautious  tactics.

They just need a manger who will get them attacking. And there seems a correlation with long term coaching badge merchants and very cautious tactics.
By:
tobermory
When: 20 Jul 24 18:59

Jul 20, 2024 -- 6:46PM, scandanavian_haven wrote:


Considering Howe and Emery are both on £4 mil a year, going to England would be financial promotion.Only the top 4 clubs pay above £5mil, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, United. Even new Chelsea manager is on less than £5 mil.


Southgate was on about £1.5M his first couple of years, but got a big raise after 2018 WC, so £5M is not necessarily the starting salary for new guy.

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 Jul 24 18:59
Malay

He's not really part of set up bar perhaps Watkins.

So it's quite an unheaval.

In his favour he's a great manager and he's seen
most of the players up close, and has files on them.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 Jul 24 19:01
Upheaval
By:
tobermory
When: 20 Jul 24 19:01

Jul 20, 2024 -- 6:45PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


England job is huge, as you are shootingfor footballs biggest trophies.Salary at top club sides is hugePep ain't winning world cup at citeh.


I would be very surprised. Pep is my biggest red. The profile of managers of the biggest nations these days is usually someone who is seen as past it at elite club level. Also the potential embarrasment if Pep was implicated in any Man City convictions to consider.

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 20 Jul 24 19:06
I'm not suggesting pep.

I'm just pointing out he can't win footballs biggest pot
at citeh.

Which is a brilliant sales pitch for fa at the moment
you have a chance of footballs biggest pot,.. Come
join us.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 20 Jul 24 19:10
Southgate was the highest paid manager at the Euro's, a Howe or Emery though would not take less than that but at the same time neither could command much more than that, being on £4 mil currently, a million pound pay rise for part time work would be appealing, though maybe not at their ages.
By:
The Dragon
When: 20 Jul 24 19:10
TAA interview -- He wants Klopp as Englands next manager
By:
MALAY
When: 20 Jul 24 19:11
grand lads enjoyed chat, personally if i was picking i'd go for emery, but if you want real attacking football go for ange from spurs, managed at international level too, he invites the press and try's to split it, doesn't always work outScared
By:
Aspro
When: 20 Jul 24 19:22
Howe, if not Carsley as interim, as previously mentioned. Seems almost a no-brainer if they want English. Topped up my Lampard bet with a bit of Carsley, as he could well keep it if he gets in. Wouldn't take much to improve this bunch. A tiny compass might work.
By:
MALAY
When: 20 Jul 24 19:42
lampard should be 500s to get job, but maybe his agent is backing him to get his name in frame
By:
11kv
When: 20 Jul 24 22:36
Pure guessing lads,the planning for the future committee at the FA have already decided the next man to occupy the seat at ST Georges

They knew either way he was going so had to plan.It will be someone they know and have molded for the role.....


Rachel Brace will have the letter of appointment typed up ready to go.
By:
lurka
When: 21 Jul 24 02:26
Wiegman with Tuchel as her assistant
By:
The Dragon
When: 21 Jul 24 06:36
strange market this one potter bnow 3rd fav and only 61k matched
By:
sparrow
When: 21 Jul 24 08:48
Eddie Howe seeks right ‘dynamic’ as Newcastle future comes under question

https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jul/20/eddie-howe-seeks-right-dynamic-as-newcastle-future-comes-under-question

Manager hints his role at St James’ Park is in the balance, saying ‘we’re in the flux of change’

Newcastle’s players have spent part of the past week helping designers at their new shirt sponsors, Adidas, test embryonic footwear designs intended to hit the high street in five years. The question of where Eddie Howe may be in five weeks, let alone five months, has provided the backdrop to the time his team have just spent in pre-season training at the sportswear manufacturer’s European HQ near Nuremberg in southern Germany.

Workers on the extensive campus set in idyllic parkland routinely travel between meetings on the bicycles stationed all over the site and Newcastle’s manager has enjoyed whizzing around its vast acreage on two wheels.

Appearances can be deceptive and the apparently carefree Howe had much to ponder at a moment when he appears high on the Football Association’s shortlist to replace Gareth Southgate as England manager but faces a battle to retain the autonomy over recruitment and training strategy he has enjoyed since taking over at Newcastle in November 2021.

The departure of the former co-owner Amanda Staveley, a key Howe ally, and the installation of Paul Mitchell as director of football and James Bunce as performance director threaten to dilute the amount of control Howe has enjoyed at a club with Saudi Arabian majority ownership.

It explains why, on Friday, he played a political game with the media straight out of the old playbook of one of his St James’ predecessors, Rafael Benítez. Despite playing a pretty straight bat with broadcast journalists, suggesting his loyalties lay with Newcastle rather than England, Howe was rather more equivocal with newspaper reporters, hinting that a potential offer from the FA could become attractive if the club he remained “emotionally invested in” failed to allow him to set “boundaries” in his new relationships with Mitchell and Bunce.

Although he praised both men’s capabilities, Howe will not have enjoyed a recent meeting with the Saudis at a Northumberland hotel when his squad’s extensive injury problems last season were analysed. Injury prevention ranks high among Bunce’s skills and it appears an ownership that, for all its admiration of the 46-year-old’s coaching brilliance, seemingly believes that fitness problems cost the club European qualification and that Howe’s training sessions may require a little modification.
By:
The Dragon
When: 21 Jul 24 11:13
he is back in to fav
By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 21 Jul 24 13:54
Eddie Howe, would be my choice by a country mile. He's on record as saying he'd love to Manage England. If he's been offered the job? He should grab it with both hands. Because this is still a group of players who have the required talent that can win something. Also there's no guarantee he'd get offered the job again and if he does will there be sufficient quality in the squad to win something? If he does well for England, he'll get plenty of offers at big Clubs if he wanted to return to club football. If he's offered the job? He MUST take it.
By:
tobermory
When: 24 Jul 24 16:05
Lee Carsley last price matched 19 Confused
By:
The Dragon
When: 24 Jul 24 19:06
carsley is drifting now 3rd fav and 5.4 but still not much between the three
By:
kincsem
When: 24 Jul 24 19:27
Never grab a falling knife.
Whoever takes the job is only doing it for the money.
Southgate got results in tournaments and the next manager will not do as well.
By:
The Dragon
When: 24 Jul 24 19:54
step up for carsley and potter -not so sure it wd be a good career move for howe. he needs to stay at newcastle a wee bit longer and prove his metal. plenty of time for the england job in later years
By:
Emitdeb
When: 24 Jul 24 20:26
This is who we need....

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/24KsWA5F1_0
By:
ashbourne
When: 25 Jul 24 08:34
'Never grab a falling knife.
Whoever takes the job is only doing it for the money.
Southgate got results in tournaments and the next manager will not do as well.'

Kind of agree with this. I think two finals is pretty amazing. All these claims of 'who did we play' makes no sense. Their opponents were quarter, semi and finalists of a major tournament that earned their place to be there and knocked out 'bigger teams'.
By:
sparrow
When: 25 Jul 24 10:50
I totally agree rather than "kind of", ashbourne.
By:
ashbourne
When: 25 Jul 24 11:06
Grin
By:
lurka
When: 25 Jul 24 11:24
There is already some revisionist nonsense spouting up less than a month since the final.
What 'bigger teams' did Holland, the Swiss, Slovakia knock out this time? a woeful Italy between them?
What 'bigger teams' did Senegal knock out at the last WC? None
What 'bigger teams' did Germany and Denmark knock out at the last Euros? None
What 'bigger teams' did Colombia and Sweden knock out at WC2018? None

England were knocked out by Spain who beat the hosts Germany in the SF and France in the QF, knocked out by Italy at Euro 2020 who beat Spain in the SF and Belgium in the QF. This was because all the top sides were in one half of the draw. Knocked out by Croatia at WC18 at SF stage because that was the only draw Southgate got with a top side in his half of the draw, apart from the last WC where the French beat them at QF stage.

Please stop spouting drivel. The draws were the primary reason Southgate got as far as he did and he didn't play well at any stage. If a better manager doesn't do as well it will likely be that he will not get the incredible luck GS got with draws. He beat the teams he was expected to while playing awful football and that's all he did.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 25 Jul 24 11:36
Who is currently a bigger team than England?

Should be specified in advance.

If England play somebody in a neutral venue
then which somebody are expected to beat England?

England get good draws as they are good and get seeded
accordingly.

Spain at recent euros, and France at World cup have outplayed
England. In part due to crappy tactics, but none the less
they deserved to win.

Who else would do that, say, in USA, should we qualify?
By:
ashbourne
When: 25 Jul 24 12:04
Lurka a bit hostile Grin
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