yes you started the thread and said anything they did would be devalued.

and as has been said. that is the view of a small number of bitter and twisted people.

sensible folk take a differn't view.

if you wanted to start a thread saying a lack of weds/thurs night football helped lpool get where they are today some people might have had a differnt response.

BUT YOU DIDNT

It helped them, no doubt about it. Playing in the Europa Cup - which is what they would have played in had they been slightly better last year - is an absolute disaster for a club in terms of its League aspirations. I couldn't tell you the stats for any other club than Spurs, but our record after Europa Cup games makes grim reading.

It is lightly churlish however to claim that their triumph will be devalued. The flipside of the lack of travel and fresher legs is the fact that they have been competing against players who have learnt their trade at the highest level footballers in Europe can ply - of the current Liverpool team, how many have enjoyed any success in Europe? Gerrard certainly, but who else?

When people look back on this season in years to come, sure there will be people who remember they didn't play in Europe, but mostly people will think how on Earth did they get from nowhere one season to Champions the next? They will rightly conclude that the main reason, as always in football, was simple: They were the best team, with the best manager.

hunter; you're right i wont listen to you, and i'll gladly listen to the lpool legends, and if you can point me in the direction of any one of them who takes the same view as you and proclaims that anything they win will be devalued ,this particular debate will be over.

Not only that Liverpool went out of our cup competitions early,it in my opinion was the difference between winning the league and not and for that reason devalues it.  Playing on a thursday in Europe or in the champions league takes a lot out of a team ,in my opinion if Chelsea,City and even Arsenal had the same schedule as Liverpool they finish above them.

Yet despite all that Liverpool have actually posted a slightly bigger loss than Chelsea over the last financial year and a couple of million less than City.

You can say what you like about other clubs spending money but it's a fact that Liverpool spent 50 million beyond their means during the last published accounting period. Something that leaves them vulnerable under FFP for UEFA competitions incidentally.

I think you'll find those losses came about through paying off previous managers (Dalglish & Hodgson), no CL football, & an excessively high wage bill considering the lack of achievement we'd encountered over the previous years. All three of those problems have no been addressed. Add to that some lucrative sponsorship deals brought in over the past 12-18 months, with quite a few more to come. Hopefully the extension work on Anfield will start shortly, which will eventually bring in an extra 10,000 people every home game. I'm confident you'll see a much healthier set of figures when our next set of accounts are shown. The FFP rules won't be a problem for us. Lets see how other clubs fare.

in my opinion that devalues their achievement

That'll really hurt a lot if we do win the league.

surely it dosent matter how any losses came about, the fact is they're there?

there really is no answer to that

backed up by most who know something about the game

and none of them saying anything until half way through the season

Oh no

as per hunter. you're making it up as you go along, i never ever said mikel was chelseas best player, i said he was a good player you said he was useless .

but i realise that's your stock in trade, you cant debate any point so you twist peoples positions or just plain lie.

now toddle off and find some of your small minded mates in the bitter and twisted sour grapes club, and you can all huddle together and seek solace as you all chant in unison that anything lpool might achieve this season is devalued.

Manchester United boss David Moyes feels Liverpool's title push this season has been aided by their lack of European football.

United host Liverpool at Old Trafford today.

Moyes said: "Liverpool and Brendan (Rodgers) might have benefited from being out of Europe.


  even Moyesy knows the score .

ROFL

if you are blaming europe for utd

they were sh1te from day 1 this season you clown

The 2-2 draw, three days after the 3-2 defeat by Liverpool, leaves City's Barclays Premier League title hopes in tatters.

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Fernandinho had opened the scoring for City less than two minutes into the game but in the end Manuel Pellegrini's tired-looking side were relieved to rescue a point.

"It's a very disappointing result," said Fernandinho. "The whole team is disappointed about the result, especially in the way we played. The result was a complete disaster for us.

"We started well and scored the goal, but for 50 minutes after that we lost control of the game and they played better than us. Right at the end we tried to score another goal but it wasn't enough.

"We scored after two minutes but then changed our style of game and paid for it. They had three clear chances in the first half and then scored two in the second half, when we lost our position on the pitch.

"We need to keep our heads up and think about the next game, when we cannot make a silly mistake, as we did."

Fernandinho also conceded that fatigue may have contributed to City falling away from the title challenge. Premier League leaders Liverpool have played 13 fewer games than City this season because they have not been involved in Europe.

"It can make some difference because we have been going for the Champions League, the Premier League and both cups and maybe our players are feeling a little tired," added Fernandinho.

"Maybe it has made a difference, but our team was good, especially in December and January."

The Brazilian however believes that City are still in with a chance of the title.

the balanced view is that yes no european football and less games is an advantage but the other teams squads they have built through attracting the best players over the past few years (thanks to being in CL!) should be a big advantage for them teams like it always has every other season!

hunter, in some seasons in the 70s/80s liverpool played about 20 games more than anyone else and still won everything while campaigning 13 players all season. what does your theory say about that?

It was the perms and the flares that helped then ,no Liverpool were a great team then is the truth this time they have done it by keeping fresh and fit ,next season will be the one where we see if Liverpool are a great team or was this an abnormal season? where they nicked it by not competing for long in ANY other trophy.

If the OP is right Man U will be winning the title back nxt season

Credit to L'pool they've played some fabulous football this season.

or maybe Liverpool will win it again and prove that playing less games (up to 14 less in some cases) in other competitions did not hugely aid their success? I am sure this thread will be recycled as the season goes on

What happens if Man Utd finish above Liverpool next season? are Utd not going to be in the Europa League then?  Here is a little prediction if? Utd have the same scenario as Liverpool this season, they will finish in a higher place in the league than Liverpool and Chelsea and City certainly will .

Liverpool will do well to finish 4th next season given the same schedule as the other top teams.

If its such a big thing, why don't teams refuse to play in the champions league?