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Food for thought - The power of Sir Alex, referees and the FA:
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I guess it's just a coincidence Manchester United consistently keep getting the benefit of these poor decisions. Clattenbergs the guy who didn't even book Rooney when he elbowed James McCarthy in the back of the head a few seasons ago? The only sad thing about today was how utterly predictable it was. United are 7/4 to win the league this season. After today that's looks a pretty solid investment!
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Hunter,
If Clattenburg hadn't reffed another United game the ABU's would moan as in the original post on here If Chelsea had won all the ABU's would have said "see what happens" with a "proper" ref. If United won, well we have seen what has happened. Don't care, we needed the three points and got them. Shame about all this whining from some Chelsea fans because it hides the tremendous performance they put up. Yes they were unlucky with the Hernandez goal as it was offside but you are talking centimeters. The whining from the Liverpool fans is both understandable and also mystifying. Its mystifying because they had a mersey derby today but seem more interested in a United game. Its understandable because whining is in some of their fans dna. |
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the refs in the Premier League are sub-standard, that is it. Every weekend, in fact I would go as far as saying the majority of matches, consist of poor decisions by the officials. This has been the case for a long time but with the improvement in replays and camera coverage they are just highlighted more nowadays. Before technology in tennis, for example, it would have been inconceivable the amount of errors made by the line officials, at least now they are corrected in order to determine the correct decision. Football is overlooking the importance of correct decisions being made, why I have no idea
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centimetres?????????????
and of course you don't care. i dare say that you don't care either about the widely held perception that utd get far more than a fair crack of the whip from referees, and you'd probably deny that if that was the case that it could be because fergie has bullied officials in the past. the widely held beliefs about officialdom and man utd is not healthy for the game. but you probably don't care |
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The eveidence is compelling and Mike Riley is in charge of the ref's .
Fergie has been at it for 25 years ,one day he will have his Jimmy Saville moment,all will come out. |
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fegie will be on match of day later telling every one that does not comment on refs normal s###
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Pete it's crystal clear to anyone bar a manc:
Upset Fergie & get sent to Coventry. When offered an olive branch do not upset Fergie again. And once again the wilderness does wonders for an officials 'Slur Fergus Vision.' The whole thing is a complete and utter farce. Game after game Utd go out with 12 men and invariably their MOM wears the black kit. It's sickening quite frankly. |
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fergie= jimmy saville
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When you talk about bullying refs I seem to recall one European ref having to go into hiding and forced to retire after constant whining and bleating from the then Chelsea manager and players but please feel free to ignore those sort of incidents.
Chelsea played well today, don't tarnish that with the small time whining of referees being intimidated by SAF and United. It was played at the Bridge ffs, how many decisions have you got there over the years???? Yes Clattenburg was poor today but what has that got to do with United? We could argue that he should have given us a penalty when Cahill clearly pulled Evans down when were 2-0 up or that Torres should have had red card earlier but that is all part of football. It might be easier for me to say that after winning but I think you will find that many of us say the same after a loss and just move on to the next game. |
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honest question where is the spurs v man u ref.
will he b reefing a man u match in the next century. |
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peter the butcher
Date Joined: 12 Mar 02 Add contact | Send message 28 Oct 12 22:10 Joined: 12 Mar 02 | Topic/replies: 20,842 | Blogger: peter the butcher's blog When you talk about bullying refs I seem to recall one European ref having to go into hiding and forced to retire after constant whining and bleating from the then Chelsea manager and players but please feel free to ignore those sort of incidents --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- we don't ignore these things. they are open to debate, we don't deny it out of hand and put it down to sour grapes. we acknowledge that it happened, and discuss why. shame fans of other clubs don't adopt a similar approach. |
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charwell,
If other clubs and fans want to use the referees as excuses for United winning matches and trophies, if other fans and clubs feel as if they are not on a level playing field and they are almost resigned to failure then I am delighted. It makes our job of winning matches and trophies that touch easier if our opponents go onto a pitch thinking they are playing 12 men. If you are full of self doubt then even better. The more whingeing and whining there is can only help United. I wish it had been Howard Webb out there today just to advance the "myth" and bring this forum into meltdown. Frankly I am amazed that Liverpool fans are on different threads posting about United on the day their own team have played a Merseyside derby. Used to be a big match in days gone by. |
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no pete is was so called chelsea fans that got to the ref
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Ok Mexicano lets discuss what Graham Poll said then;
Graham Poll wrote an article a couple of weeks ago and he said that he sent off a Chelsea player in a match against Spurs. He said it wasn't even a contentious decision so imagine his surprise when he heard that two Chelsea players had made statements of complaint against his use of language against them. He said he was flabbergasted as they were pure lies. The two players were John Terry and Ashley Cole. They later withdrew their statements. Go for it, explain how that would have looked or gone down on here had it been Rooney and Rio. |
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explain what????????????
really clutching at straws here aren't you??? so two chelsea players probably said poll swore at them, then withdrew their statements. big deal. what on earth has that got to do with this issue? |
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Here is the article from graham Poll;
"A welcome return to Premier League action and what a game to start with – Spurs v Chelsea at White Hart Lane. I remember well the last time I refereed this fixture back on November 5, 2006 when I had to send Chelsea’s John Terry off in Tottenham’s 2-1 win – it seemed a straight forward dismissal even though Terry was England captain. What followed was incredible as Terry, Ashley Cole and other Chelsea players set about trying to tarnish my reputation by inventing stories about what I was supposed to have said to them on the field that day. Whilst they retracted the statements later it showed the difficulties for modern day referees who all too often feel isolated and unsupported when facing the might of millionaire footballers and mega-rich clubs" |
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i still don't see what you're getting at.
did these players get sanctioned by the fa for what thet said? i believe fergie has . |
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SAF has criticised referees many times but ultimately he does not make the decisions on the pitch to my knowledge.
Yes he has been sanctioned by the FA, No idea whether John Terry and Ashley Cole were sanctioned for the lies they told about Graham Poll or whether he had the class to ignore their stupidity. Tell me how you think SAF has made Clattenburg give the decisions he gave today. |
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quite a remarkable last post from the butch there,
the fact that they withdrew the allegations dosen't mean they were lying.perhaps the had the class not to pursue it. and how can i tell you how i think saf has made clattenberg make those decisions today when i neither said or thought that. as i said the perception is widely held that saf's bullying of refs has given utd more than a fair crack of the whip. it's a belief held by most football fans. some utd fans deny it. but it aint healthy for the game |
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mex, I don't have any beef with you. We will just agree to disagree.
I am a big United fan but I am also a football fan. The drama of football includes fans arguing and discussing events on the pitch. That is part and parcel of what we have signed up to. However for fans to continuously blame SAF or United for any decision by a referee on a football pitch is laughable and in case you hadn't noticed that is what this thread is all about. The widely held perception you talk about is because of stupid and wildly inaccurate threads like this one. The initial post was mostly proved to be ridiculously incorrect in its facts never mind somebody's opinion. I mean we have got Liverpool fans up in arms about the United match today, what is that all about? They had their own derby match today. I watched it and it was a cracking match but they are more interested in our match, lambasting a referee that they had earlier demanded be allowed to ref United matches. You couldn't make it up. Anyway good luck for the rest of the season. |
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Peter, doth protest too much.
All season Liverpool have had horrendous decision after horrendous decision which has cost us dear such as a fgame winner dissalowed when he was clearly offside. YEt hours later you have two men sent off v you and win with an offside goal. This goes on week after week with MUFC. Quite frankly the masses are sick to death of the forces at work regarding Fergie the FA & the Refs. We have not had one 'offside goal, or soft sending off v us or a pen that wasn't.' Yet your lot simply get everything, like in the LFC v MUFC game and it is abjectly laughable. And if you bothered to read the Liverpool thread we talked only of our match. Comments regarding Man Utds were added to other threads. P.S Interestingly on quite a few footy forums there was several threads prophesising Clattenburgs capitulation towards MUFC after finally having been brought in from the cold for incurring Fergies wrath when refereeing properly in the City 6-1 derby win. And he is not the 1st ref to ipset Fergie, get castigated/abused and after a suitable period of reflection allowed to handle a MUFC game again only to ensure there could be no doubts about to whom he favours. |
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Corruption in English Football
10/28/2012 The Whole World's Watching It’s amazing how us “paranoids” keep being managing to predict the future isn’t it? Today, Manchester United beat Chelsea 3-2 at Stamford Bridge. Not a single football fan across the world is talking about anything other than Mark Clattenburg’s refereeing performance in that game. Readers of this blog will not have been surprised by the referee’s performance. They will have known exactly what to expect during that game today and even the most skeptical will surely be scratching their heads. Clattenburg had gone 38 games without refereeing Manchester United. His previous United game was the 6-1 thrashing by rivals Man City at Old Trafford. He sent Johnny Evans off in a match that Alex Ferguson described as “the most embarrassing defeat of my career”. For 38 games, Clattenburg was not handed a single United game to referee. Not a single league game, not a single cup game. That stat alone tells us nothing: he’s also gone a while without officiating Arsenal or Liverpool games. His performance today, however, tells us a great deal. Clattenburg has now become the latest in an ever lengthening line of referees who have officiated a United loss, gone a long time without reffing them, then on their return give game changing decisions to Alex Ferguson’s side. Like Chris Foy, who took charge of a United defeat and went a year without reffing United in the league. During that time, Foy reffed 2 United cup games, giving them penalties in both and sending off Vincent Kompany in one. Like Phil Dowd, who reffed a United loss, then gave them a penalty in the next game he took charge of which earned United a draw and their 19th league title. Like Mike Jones, who after falsely awarding Demba Ba a penalty at Old Trafford, gave United 2 penalties in 2-0 home win against Stoke during his subsequent visit to Old Trafford. The list is neverending. I’m not going to keep repeating myself, all that info is in my 3 previous articles. Halsey, Atkinson, Wiley, Oliver, Webb… There’s enough there to at least make you think Man United are the world champions of coincidences. The point is this: Clattenburg sends a United player off in an embarrassing loss at home, and gets a 38 game absence from United games. Is there anyone out there who believes that after his performance at Stamford Bridge, he’ll go 38 games without taking charge of United again? or take charge of a Chelsea game again and then come back and serve victory on a plate to them at Old Trafford. Anyone? Is it all a coincidence? |
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There’s enough there to at least make you think Man United are the world champions of coincidences.
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it could be some time before he refs anyone.
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a lot of the "evidence" that's been put forward to support this theory is indeed circumstancial, but having said that the impression that's held by the vast majority of football fans is that united get preferential treatment from refs.
surely it can't be a coincidence that their manager is the biggest bully of officials in the english game, and has got away with stuff in the past that nobody else would. |
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well said ive thought for years fergie was bribing the refs or what evers going on nice piece cherwell
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FFS have you seen the way he treats a journalist who asks questions "sir" doesn't approve of??? Didn't speak to the BBC for years , and barred another journo for asking about Giggs when his private life was unraveling , how do you think he reacts and uses his influence when a ref crosses him??? It's simple, if you have ambition as a young ref and want to ref the top games , you stay on Fergies good side
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The criticism of the ref is there for all to see again ,he seems to be moaning about a fictional foul on Van Persie 50/50 in my view, Van Persie leaning in as well,yes he even rants about the odd foul he thinks he should have.
The real message is he does not want Oliver to ref again and if a ref even misses (in his view ) the odd foul against Utd he is seething with anger .Over to you FA time to act and that will not mean giving Clattenburg Utd games in the future,remember how well he officiated the last Utd game according to Fergie  . |
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i don't buy in to a lot of what was said earlier in this thread. but i do believe he tries to intimidate referees.
yesterdays snide remarks about the ref were merely the latest chapter in his campaign. |
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People are missing the point with all the van persie hit him on the head nonsense,that was just very funny and Fergies rant was also funny.
The main point is Ferguson criticised another ref who acted fairly,but did not favour his team. The FA are obliged to act,shirley? And giving Clattenburg Utd games shirley is not the answer. |
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Opening post on this thread;
"It seems that the FA, for whatever reason, doesn’t want Clattenburg to referee Man United games anymore. Some of us more paranoid folk may just wonder who’s behind that decision" And now; The main point is Ferguson criticised another ref who acted fairly,but did not favour his team. The FA are obliged to act,shirley? And giving Clattenburg Utd games shirley is not the answer. Make up yer minds ffs. Its a bit like i'm a Chelsea fan, now I am a City fan, hang on CL win- now I am a Chelsea fan again but reserve the right to change again... |
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That ref yesterday didn't do much wrong to be fair. I thought he even handled the RVP/Williams thing well considering it was a split second thing.
If you asked me to choose a referee for a life or death match I would honestly just say "get the number one ranked referee" whoever he is (now that Elleray has retired  ) |
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Webb no1
Clattenberg no 2 Lol Don't know where the rankings come from, but hey ho |
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Seriously donny????
Long live SAF, referees please note, you do eventually get rewarded |
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People ask how have Man Uted won the premier league by such a big points difference with an average team? well they did not have a man sent off when the season was live and never conceded a penalty either,the Chelsea away game summed up the hold Fergie had on ref,s ,ffs he still complains about fouls given against his club from five years ago. Riley must never allow Uted to have such a grip on refs in the future now Fergie has gone and the FA need to see fair play is upheld.
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I've never seen this thread before. Well written and spot on in my opinion. Charwell i salute you
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ffs, integrity?????
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Not even ironed. Scruffy twe@ts that they are.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22499361
even harry knows. |
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Charwell....
You´ve finally convinced me. Where do you want me to sign the petition, raise the banner or sing a song? |