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Food for thought - The power of Sir Alex, referees and the FA:
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peter the butcher 04 Oct 12 12:13
I am sorry but your friend's ommission could be for any reason whatsoever. Being scouse wouldn't be the reason but I am only guessing..... It may well not be the reason, but why would Fergie even ask that question |
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Peter: You might be only guessing just in the same way that Billy is only guessing that Ferguson had a major part to play in his removal. But you'd have to pretty naive to think it's not something that your manager would ever consider doing.
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From the BBC a few minutes ago....
The British Horseracing Authority charge three footballers and a jockey over suspicious betting activity on a number of races. The Ipswich striker Michael Chopra, Nottingham Forest midfielder James Coppinger and former Manchester United midfielder Mark Wilson are charged along with jockey Andrew Heffernan and five other people. So there are corrupt footballers after all! |
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Redrebel5 - if there is any truth at all to that story its shocking.
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Chopra can't be very good at fixing races can he? Didn't he admit to losing almost £1m in his lifetime
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From wiki
In 2008, Tommy Smith claimed in his autobiography, that on 8 May 1972, Emlyn Hughes told him that he had been speaking to a number of Arsenal players, and they had said that they were "willing to throw a match for £50 a man" in a vital match at Highbury which decided the title. Liverpool failed to win and the title went to Derby County. Smith wrote that he was disgusted with what Hughes said and never spoke to him again after this. Smith maintained that the only witness was Ian Callaghan. However, Smith also stated that he wasn't sure if Hughes was suggesting that they should bribe the Arsenal players, was wanting him to bribe the Arsenal players, or told him this so he would be incriminated. Smith said he never told Shankly because it would have "Broken his heart".[3] |
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okay, wait till he´s dead have an ITV documentary about it all....so you can a have a history thats happy in your brain....SADDO.
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chopra probably layed the winners (passed when he should have shot
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RedRebel,
I just can't imagine SAF ringing the referees association and telling them to curtail the career of a young referee because he was scouse. Remember this was the first leg of a League Cup in which there was no controversy. It makes no sense. More to the point your friend has absolutely nothing to indicate that SAF was involved other than him being asked if he was scouse. Come on... |
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http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Football%3A+The+last+man+to+award+a+penalty+against+United+at+Old...-a060276411
More to do with him awarding a penalty (incorrectly it seems) than him being a Scouser. |
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Biscuit,
I presume that SAf asked the linesman if he was from Liverpool because he disagreed with the penalty decision (TV showed the foul was outside the area). He knows that Liverpudlians don't like all things United and would have been flippantly intimating that was the reason he flagged. Incidentally RedRebel's mate publicly said he didn't for one moment think that SAF had anything to do with him not retaining his position on the North West Counties League. |
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Exactly RedRebel, that is what I meant with my post above.
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I don't recall Billy ever saying publicly that he didn't blame Ferguson. Even if he did, I can assure you, privately he says differently.
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"A lot of my colleagues in the area believe I'm the victim of a stitch- up. "Of course I'm not saying Alex Ferguson was involved in what happened to me, but I get the feeling that someone, somewhere, wanted to pay me back." Billy Birch
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Starting to wonder if Pete the Butcher is Alex Ferguson's publicist
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Food for Thought
AC Milan v Liverpool 2005 CL Final - Line ups GK 1 Dida RB 2 Cafu CB 31 Jaap Stam CB 13 Alessandro Nesta LB 3 Paolo Maldini (c) DM 21 Andrea Pirlo RM 8 Gennaro Gattuso 112' LM 20 Clarence Seedorf 86' AM 22 Kaká CF 7 Andriy Shevchenko CF 11 Hernán Crespo 85' Substitutes: GK 46 Christian Abbiati DF 4 Kakha Kaladze DF 5 Alessandro Costacurta MF 10 Rui Costa 112' MF 24 Vikash Dhorasoo MF 27 Serginho 86' FW 15 Jon Dahl Tomasson 85' Manager: Carlo Ancelotti GK 1 Jerzy Dudek RB 3 Steve Finnan 46' CB 23 Jamie Carragher 75' CB 4 Sami Hyypiä LB 21 Djimi Traoré DM 14 Xabi Alonso (Spanish) RM 10 Luis García (Spanish) CM 8 Steven Gerrard (c) LM 6 John Arne Riise SS 7 Harry Kewell 23' CF 5 Milan Baroš 81' 85' Substitutes: GK 20 Scott Carson DF 17 Josemi (Spanish) MF 16 Dietmar Hamann 46' MF 18 Antonio Núñez (Spanish) MF 25 Igor Bišćan FW 9 Djibril Cissé 85' FW 11 Vladimír Šmicer 23' Manager: Rafael Benítez (Spanish) Referee Manuel González (Spanish) Assistant referees: Clemente Plou (Spanish) Oscar Samaniego (Spanish) Fourth official: Arturo Dauden Ibáñez (Spanish) You cant take Liverpool´s CL seriously....I mean Rafa had the refs in his back pocket...it was like 15 against 11....Milan had no chance. |
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maybe hes mickey phelan
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lol, not at all mate. I just don't like people putting up false "facts" and making stuff up to suit their own agenda.
SAF isn't a particularly warm likeable bloke to non United fans and even to some of his own club's fans. However some of the comments and acts attributed to him on here are just laughable. I can understand the club allegiance mentality but not sure making stuff up and proclaiming indisputable facts, which actually turn out to be totally untrue, is the answer. |
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Dont expect Charwell to come back anytime soon with a reply having been exposed as a deluded bullshítter.
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'I'm not saying Alex Ferguson was involved in what happened to me'. A bit different to: 'He didn't think for one moment that Fergie was involved'. He chose his words very carefully, because he obviously can't prove anything. But privately, to people he knows, he has his suspicions that getting the boot goes much further than just the people involved with running the NWC league. & in keeping in line with Fergie's notorious vindictive nature, there's nobody who wouldn't be at all surprised if the Glasgow Growler was a key player in his removal from doing something he really enjoyed.
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Maybe he was just a cr@p linesman and not a very good referee? Sounds much better if you ride on the back of the most famous manager. It makes a much better after dinner story doesn't it?
He has nothing that remotely shows any links to SAF in his decision whatsoever. |
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Peter, apologies if any of those #FACTS# were incorrect, I just copied them from an Arsenal link as Liverpool, City, Arsenal all posting similar things.
The next article is a blog from an LFC fan so is obviously biased, however, food for thought..... http://diminbeirut.typepad.com/ P.S FWIW my views are that refs don't purposely set out to be biased but in terms of career progression they are loathe to incurr the wrath of Fergie when it can clearly be seen is harms their prospects, hence more 'marginal' calls go Man Utds way. |
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Going to be a lot of refs in div 2 this year then when they keep getting beat.
MOT |
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I blame fergie for Liverpool losing against a diddy euro club
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charwell,
No problems mate I realised you had probably copied and pasted as we all do. Can't argue with refs being scared or loathe to incur SAF's wrath although it is probably the "smaller" clubs who will suffer with those decisions more than the bigger ones. Similarly I can't argue that Suarez has got a raw deal on a couple of occasions but he has only himself to blame. Ashley Young will find himself in the same position if he carries on although I know SAF has been pretty blunt with him. |
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ttt
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This thread needs to be brought back to the top,
Who was the ref on sunday.? did cisse's header cross the line ? would RVP had been sent off if he's played for Newcastle? who was the ref.? who was the ref? who was the ref? |
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the ball didnt cross the line
van persie would have got a second yellow had he played for newcastle, at least [ This image is no longer available. ] |
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perverse
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You mean like tiote donny?Who got away with a blatent red card?
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lol, you man utd fans just cant rest
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tiote got booked for taking the ball off a man utd player
even webb was blushing |
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Charwell knew.
 Which, is highly, highly unusual. |
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Its a very thought provoking topic from the OP
Have to say as an ABU I do wonder if its the chicken and egg syndrome As in did SAF initiate this ref selection or did he react to what he saw as blatant ref manipulation in top flight english football and just react accordingly in MUFC best interests Years ago, younger readers will be surprised to learn that a certain team from Liverpool were in a similar situation as MU now. ie Dominating the league often not playing all that well. Then there was a particular character called George Courtney from spennybrook who seemed to officiate an inordinate number of LFCs matches. Couple of LFC fans I knew referred to him as uncle george |
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Spennybrook.
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Never more highlighted than today ,fergie got his strong ref he likes today and last season when he got two pens.
Clattenburg will get fergies approval ,no doubt and will not join the list of refs who vanish from Utd matches. The FA will be confident to give Clattenburg Utd games without fear of dissent from Old trafford !!!  |
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Clattenburg gets recalled from the cold and like all those before him who have had 'time away' comes back wearing the obligitory Man Utt shirt.
Very, very incidious as for sure you couldn't make it up! |
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Forgive me but the original post included the following complaint;
Last season, Manchester City romped to a 6-1 win at Old Trafford, inflicting on their rivals their biggest embarrassment under Ferguson. The referee on that day was Mark Clattenburg. He sent Johnny Evans off in the second half for a clear professional foul. There have been 34 Man United league games since that day. The number of times times Clattenburg has refereed them? Zero. Not a single one. It seems that the FA, for whatever reason, doesn’t want Clattenburg to referee Man United games anymore. Some of us more paranoid folk may just wonder who’s behind that decision. Now that the same man does ref a United game at Stamford Bridge it is the wrong decision??? The ABU's will say Clattenburg is now pandering to United. The United faithful will say SAF was right about Clattenburg's lack of ability. Most football fans will know he had a stinker of a game with poor decisions for both teams and that could have happened to any referee. |
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Think you are rather proving the point ,pete
Fergie and OT complain about Clatts when they get a fair and square thrahing,he does not get a UTD game for ages ,then he comes back and does them a favour . |