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By:
Dr Gonzo
When: 22 Jul 12 19:29
Maybe they should.

However that has no relevance to the situation at Rangers. The clubs you mention are both going concerns. Rangers aren't, hence they are to be liquidated.
By:
skullery
When: 22 Jul 12 19:34
Lost... GONZO im fighting on 5 fronts in this thread Crazy
Rangers fans have accepted the punishment handed over to us and took  DIV3 on the chin
what we wont accept is death by a thousand cuts
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 22 Jul 12 20:08
Not to go off topic or anything...^^^^
By:
Dr Gonzo
When: 22 Jul 12 20:10
Rangers fans have accepted the punishment handed over to us and took  DIV3 on the chin
what we wont accept is death by a thousand cuts


This is what you don't seem to get. Most of what has happened to Rangers so far is not by way of punishment, it is the consequence of your club going into liquidation and having to re-form as a new company.

You lot can bleat on as much as you like about how all of this is punishment, but it ain't. What you lot seem to want is special treatment.

The only punishments you have received so far is the fine (has it been paid yet?) and the transfer embargo (which has already been amended to be less harsh than initially given).
By:
thebrave
When: 22 Jul 12 20:37
gonzo - I'd draw stumps if I were you Wink
You'll never get numbskull to follow even the most rudimentary
observations ConfusedCrazy
He has a unique place in the annals of medical history,
as the world's only living brain donor GrinGrin
By:
skullery
When: 22 Jul 12 20:40
well as far as im concerned the consequences are the punishment ..
as for special treatment for Rangers i find that laughable..
special treatment would have been SPL
OR DIV1
CERTAINLYNOT div3
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 22 Jul 12 20:53
Man high on drugs steals a car, has a high speed chase from the police through the streets, hits two pedestrians and the incident ends by him crashing the car in to a lampost.

The result is (1) he damages the vertebrae in his back and can no longer walk and (2) he gets a lengthy prison sentence.

One of the above is a consequence of his own actions and one is a punishment. Can you guess which is which????
By:
thebrave
When: 22 Jul 12 20:56
Shrewd - I refer you to the answer I gave a few minutes ago to gonzo CoolCool

Grin
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 22 Jul 12 20:57
The SFA did their best for you skullery. Had Sevco & their fans not appealed the transfer embargo and threatened all involved they might just have pulled it off for you. Instead that behaviour alienated all other clubs who then overruled the SFA lodge.
By:
skullery
When: 22 Jul 12 21:15
you all love saying rangers are dead..

so let me use your own analogy on you shrewd..

i rob  a bank, high speed car chase senario , and crash and die , consequences of my actions ,you dont drag my dead body into court for punishment ..in saying that  it is scotland and me being a Rangers supporter maybe they would...

look just going round in circles here , from a Rangers fan point of view we certainly feel punished ,just how i feel , and will feel it even more when div3 starts
By:
skullery
When: 22 Jul 12 21:18
The SFA did their best for you skullery ...feck that was happening for greed money and self interest not for any love of Rangers
By:
shudacuda
When: 22 Jul 12 21:50
From what i hear Mr Lawlell did his utmost to help you as well.
By:
Dr Gonzo
When: 22 Jul 12 22:23
from a Rangers fan point of view we certainly feel punished

From a fan's point of view, that's totally understandable. However the fact is that the club as an entity has actually had very little punishment thus far.
By:
cocotheclown
When: 22 Jul 12 23:02
God bless the bunnet and the new Celtic. I applaud our relatives of years gone by. Let's hope wee Neil gets a European trophy for the Celtic we know and love today since 1994 and the new Celtic can at last lay some claim to fortune... Amen


I hate those Kelly's who raped and pillaged us from within.

God Bless the Phoenix from the Ashes of 1994.
By:
Platini
When: 24 Jul 12 10:50
yet another example (since you keep asking) - MARSEILLE
By:
liamcol
When: 24 Jul 12 12:13
liamcol 21 Jul 12 00:36
A week ago, I was going evens each of 2, newco in 3rd, or nowhere, now, it's 6/4 3rd, 8/13 a year out.

3 days and counting, newco still don't have any licence.
By:
Bruce Willis
When: 24 Jul 12 12:21
So, what Division are Rangers going into? Or whatever they're called
By:
liamcol
When: 24 Jul 12 12:32
sevco, for whatever strange reason, have been invited into div3.
sevco, do not have a licence to play football yet, anywhere.
They have until Friday, the clock is ticking.
By:
shudacuda
When: 24 Jul 12 12:36
The Wednesday testimonial against Kelty Hearts has been postponed cos they still have no licence.

The televised Ramsdens Cup game is now in danger of being postponed as well.

All because Sevco are trying to dictate the conditions of their licence.

Its like telling a judge what punishment you want after being found guilty.


PS just to rub it in they have Ian Black and Beattie training with them.These are 2 players who Hearts let go cos they can't afford them probably because they were owed £800,000 by old Rangers.


Its like a Monty Python sketch.
By:
liamcol
When: 24 Jul 12 12:40
I believe, though it hasn't been confirmed, that their 2nd place spl money has been withheld and will be used to pay Hearts, Celtic, etc. etc.
Don't know the legalities of that though, e.g. would Rapid Vienna etc. have a call on some of that money, who knows?
By:
thebrave
When: 24 Jul 12 12:49
What about Abdul the newsagent Confused
Has he been weighed in yet Shocked

Grin
By:
liamcol
When: 24 Jul 12 12:53
They offered abdul a fiver, in a dignified manner of course, otherwise bomber was gonna ask him to show him the deeds to the paper shop.
By:
falkirk1
When: 24 Jul 12 12:58
WOW!!!!!! 5 pages on a Scottish 3rd div. side Surprised Mischief
By:
liamcol
When: 24 Jul 12 13:01
As an aside, season ticket sales in the spl have shown a remarkable rise at several clubs, good for Scottish football.
Celtic have sold, up to now, the usual 42,000 or so.
sevco have sold, cough... 450.
Now, I'm not a financial expert, but how does a new club, in the 3rd div, expect to pay huge bills for ibrox and murray park, plus players, etc.?
I can't figure it out, I mean they couldn't do it when they where getting 10 mil a season from ch league, plus 40,000 season books, how can they do it now?
Another administration on the horizon, shirley?
By:
MALAY
When: 24 Jul 12 14:12
They could be a good a good bet to win the league with a 100 percent record, if they are going to be signing players like Beattie and Black. They would be far,far too good for division 3.
They are 2 of the better players in SPL, outwith Celtic.
By:
skullery
When: 24 Jul 12 18:31
yet another example (since you keep asking) - MARSEILLE....
the crime here was  BRIBERY .. so this example is bollocks
By:
Dr Gonzo
When: 24 Jul 12 23:00
I'm failing to see why there is a need to quote other examples for you to call 'bollocks' when it's really quite simple.

Any player who is the subject of an EBT in the manner Rangers supposedly employed is improperly registered. The standard punishment for that is forfeit of any game in which they played. You forfeit the game, you lose points. You lose points, you lose league positions.
By:
skullery
When: 24 Jul 12 23:22
WTo put it into the category as match fixing and bribery in my opinion is madness , which would be kicked out of any court on the evidence we have read about..
Rangers didnt hide any EBT payments, they have been published in every year accounts to date.
the brave uses a kids term WHATABOUTERY , IN ADULT TERMS THIS IS CASE PRECEDENT, which is the back bone of the British justice system
By:
Dr Gonzo
When: 25 Jul 12 00:07
Arguing against the points you wish someone had made, rather than the ones they actually made, makes you look a bit silly. Seeing as I haven't put it into the category of match fixing and bribery, I have no idea why you're trying to argue that I have.

EBTs themselves aren't the issue. It's the side letters. If everything was completely above board, why are Newco so concerned with getting the SPL to stop their investigation into it?
By:
skullery
When: 25 Jul 12 00:33
only examples i have been given on here for titles being stripped are Juventus and marseille both match fixing and bribery..
why are Newco so concerned with getting the SPL to stop their investigation into it?...mexican stand off .. let us punish you  and we will grant you a license .THE SFA know the only way titles can be stripped if Rangers agree and admit  guilt, if Rangers stand their ground they might not play at all this season , or green gives in and accepts punishment
By:
Dr Gonzo
When: 25 Jul 12 09:32
Your explanation lacks any kind of logic. If a full investigation would clear them of any wrongdoing, why would they want it stopped?
By:
thebrave
When: 25 Jul 12 10:10
Logic from numbskull ConfusedCrazy

Geeza brek LaughLaughLaugh
By:
skullery
When: 25 Jul 12 18:07
this title stripping debate has been  extensively covered on both sides , all we can do now is await the outcome ..
as per usual Brave , you have proven once again you dont have the intelligence for a debate .
When people feel they are losing or have nothing of substance or in their defense to say, they can result to name calling. It is childish, as are they, and it says more about them than the person on the receiving end. usuall they only want to here from others who support their beliefs.....stick to celtic forums BRAVE
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 25 Jul 12 19:59
So you don't avoid my point completely I will clarify that 'alleged cheating' at this time which requires a full investigation in which Sevco/Green/Comical Ally seem to be doing their best to avoid the conclusion of this investigation.
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 25 Jul 12 19:59
*that with
By:
thebrave
When: 25 Jul 12 22:12
skull - Have another go at that post of yours, but can you try and deliver it
in english this time ConfusedCrazy
The bit I did get about my not having the intelligence for a debate is superbly ironic, more
of the same would be hugely amusing CoolCool
By:
tambhoy5
When: 27 Jul 12 01:28
for all you delusional knuckle draggers.

"The awkward moment when Rangers Fans realise Super ALLY is just Ally"
Rangers have received hardly any punishment to date, most of the mess that they are in is a direct consequence of their own actions / inactions. Despite what McCoist and others keep bleating about, they've had next to no punishment imposed by anyone, so far.

Banned from Champions League
No they're not banned, they failed to qualify as they never submitted their accounts as per the rules.

Docked ten points
Any club entering Administration during the football season faces a automatic ten point deduction - and it did not alter their final league position.

Rangers were relegated from the SPL
Rangers were not relegated, they are in Administration, could not agree a CVA, and are facing Liquidation. Rangers will be wound up and cease to exist, so cannot play in any league.

Sevco were relegated from the SPL
Sevco were not relegated, they were not, and have never been, a member of the SPL. As a brand new company, they were refused permission to start off at the top tier of Scottish football.

Sevco have been relegated to the 3rd Div
Sevco are a brand new company, they have never been a member of any league, and have not been relegated by any league. They are starting in the 3rd Division, as all new Senior Clubs are expected to do.

Banned from Europe for three years
No, they're not banned, any club wishing a European Licence must provide three years audited accounts. Sevco are unable to meet that requirement, so can not qualify until they do have three years accounts.

Fined £160k
Actually yes, this is a punishment. It was imposed by an independent tribunal, for bringing the game into disrepute over non-payment of approximately £13,000,000 of Tax and NI, potentially a criminal offence.
To put this "punishment" into perspective, this fine is less than Hearts have been fined for Romanov complaining about corruption, and anyway, Rangers / Sevco haven't yet paid it!

Rangers have been punished for EBT's
No they haven't, the football authorities are not even investigating this. They were sent a "bill" by HMRC which they appealed. This appeal has been heard by the FTT, and both parties are currently awaiting the outcome.

Rangers have been punished for Dual Contracts
No they haven't, the SPL have said that there is a case to answer (irrespective of any decision on legality / illegality of their use of EBT's) on the use of undeclared dual contracts, meaning they would have fielded ineligible players, but to date this has not been actioned.

So far the only punishment Rangers / Sevco have received is the £160k fine - that they haven't actually paid..! Everything else they are claiming is a "punishment" is actually completely self-inflicted, and a direct consequence of their own conscious and deliberate inactions, or actions. :mad:

If anyone wants to repost, feel free. Just don't start believing what McCoist and the lamb munchers are claiming about being punished!!!!!
By:
breadnbutter
When: 27 Jul 12 10:42
A LOT OF KNEWCO TATTIE MUNCHERY GOING ON HERE.

Main protaganist  a  multi usenamed personality disorder that spends his day scouring the tinternet for material to copy and paste onto the FOOTBALL forum .

Scotland has  an outbreak of  unemployed lawyers and tax experts who malinger on various forums,spreading the horrible infection .

the recession has  "wasted" so much  talent it  really  is a crime .

lets hope they can all get  treatment and be  safely returned to CHIT CHAT .
By:
skullery
When: 27 Jul 12 17:23
Tambhoy quote .....Rangers have recieved no punishment ...PISH

motherwell go into administration and recieve no punishment this is a fact..
Rangers go into administration and recieve 10 point deduction as  PUNISHMENT ...

dont take my word for it , THESE WORDS ARE FROM LEX GOLD ( SPL )..


The Scottish Premier League has agreed to deduct 10 points from clubs which go into administration and ban them from signing new players.

However, the rules agreed today will only come into force at the end of the season and will not be imposed retrospectively, giving a reprieve to Motherwell and Dundee who fell into administration last year.

Lex Gold, the SPL chairman, said: "There are no simple or easy options. PUNISHMENT should be through sporting sanctions and the 10-point deduction is linked to the embargo on buying players.

Its there in black and white Lex Gold CHAIRMAN of the SPL 2004 set the PUNISHMENT ..

for all saying Rangers have not been punished you are TALKING NONSENSE .
THAT IS JUST A FEW OF YOUR POINTS I HAVE CRUSHED TAMBHOY , if i get a decent reply i will destroy  the rest..
By:
john92
When: 27 Jul 12 17:48
Motherwell weren't punished as there was no procedure in place to punish clubs for going into administration at that time.

It became clear in England that clubs could gain an advantage by going into administration. The 10 point penalty was then introduced and we followed suit up here whilst Motherwell were already in administration.

Rangers weren't picked on and the 10 point deduction was a punishment.
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