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I don't hear Rangers complaining too much about getting bumped down to Div 3 - it seems like they are taking it on the chin.
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Nothing to do with thinking they deserve it. The fans wanted Div 3 because they think the SPL will collapse without them and we'll all be waiting for their return like the second coming.
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Does all the history stuff really matter anyway?
When Rangers, "The", "Glasgow", "Govan" or whatever, eventually return to the SPL, they will be appear to opposing fans just as the "old" Rangers did. The next OF game, whenever it might be, will still be seen as just that, and there will be as much bile on/from both sides as ever there was. The more things change, the more they stay the same, but as long as Hearts get that £800k, I don't care! |
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Well, I won't be desperate to have them back, I just find it amusing that Rangers will be playing in the 3rd with all the minnows.
When a club or a person is punished for a transgression, you really have to pick one punishment and stick to it. The way this is going it appears that RFC have received several different punishments for the one transgression and that just cant be right - I am certain that some of these punishments would be thrown out in court of law. Only in football could this kind of thing happen and probably only in Scottish football for that matter. I'll say it again, I'm not a Rangers fan but all these punishments are overkill. |
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all these punishments are overkill
Don't you mean underkill? They should just have been thrown out end of story. This sixpence worth of assorted wrist slaps (many of which have been forced on the SFA by the other clubs) so it looks like they are coming down hard on them is obviously fooling some but they're probably the sort of people who call for Fred the Shred to be stripped of his knighthood. I can just hear the "ooooooooooooooooooo" that would come from Fred's mouth if that were to happen. If a newco Farepak were to offer to sponsor the Sevco XI the fans would wear their jerseys with pride thinking they were doing another El-Hadji Diouf on Scottish football. |
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Are you seriously saying Rangers should have been thrown out of Scottish Football forever?
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Seems to me that they shouldn't have been allowed to apply to join the SFL until all the investigations were finished and punishments handed out. what difference does it make if there's a season without them?
Also seems the SPL are taking the piss, wanting to get their paws on TV rights for SFL games. A stand-off over media rights and a possible stripping of titles threatens to scupper Rangers' hopes of Scottish Football Association membership. The SFA said on Friday that the new Rangers agreed to a transfer embargo in return for a licence to play. BBC Scotland understands two obstacles remain before a deal can be agreed. Rangers want the Scottish Premier League to drop their investigation into dual contracts and the SPL wants the SFL to hand over Rangers' media rights. There must be a five-way agreement between the SFA, SPL, Scottish Football League, old Rangers and new Rangers before any deal is ratified. The SPL want an independent commission to rule on whether Rangers broke the rules during previous campaigns by paying players with so-called side contracts. They are due to hand over their findings to that commission on 10 August. But Rangers fear an independent commission could strip them of titles and believe they have already been sufficiently punished. The Rangers manager Ally McCoist has already said that he will never accept the stripping of titles. It is understood the club will not sign up to the agreement with that threat hanging over them. However, the SPL are digging their heels in over media rights. It is believed broadcasters are not keen to sign up to an SPL deal without having the rights for Rangers in the Third Division. For that reason, the SPL want the SFL to hand over the rights for a price. They say that without the broadcasting deal in place, they cannot pay the SFL their annual £2m settlement fee that was agreed back in 1999 when the top clubs split from the league to form the SPL. But Rangers and the SFL want to hold onto the rights and all parties are currently at a stand-off. Talks will continue next week to try to find a solution but several parties involved believe a deal is a long way off. Rangers are due to play their first match against Brechin in the Ramsdens Cup next weekend but that match cannot go ahead without SFA membership. |
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if a horse gets disqualified for carrying the wrong weight does it keep the prize money?
if agolfer gets disqualified for having too many clibs does he still win the competition? there is no reason whatsoever for rangers to retain titles won by cheating |
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highland..You are wasting your time with feck ,he is very bitter, and is known for his sectarian rants towards Rangers , he wants Rangers killed with no consequence to any other innocent partys
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murphy can you give me sum examples in football .
eg ..gretna won 3 titles spending money they didnt have why didnt we strip their titles.. Arsenal used EBTS made a deal with HMRC AND PAID 8& OF WHAT WAS OWED they didnt declare these double contracts to the FA WHY WOULD THEY AS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LOANS ...SO MY QUESTION IS why didnt ARSENAL GET STRIPPED OF THE ONE TITLE THEY WON IN THAT PERIOD.. |
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I think it's funny you accusing anyone of being sectarian skullery. I want them killed off so we might see the back of sectarianism. AyeBrokes is the rallying point for all the hate filled, right wing, sectarian scvm of Scotland.
It's even funnier that you're trying to make out that Rangers or their fans are in any way worried about innocent parties. |
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why didnt ARSENAL GET STRIPPED OF THE ONE TITLE THEY WON IN THAT PERIOD..
If the old Rangers make a deal with HMRC they won't get stripped of their titles either. Maybe you should give Dave a phone. |
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look up melbourne storm skullery. they didn't go bust or owe the taxman but they did break the league's player payment rules. titles stripped.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Storm_salary_cap_breach |
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banned from Europe for 3 years
kicked out the SPL put in Div3 None of those are a punishment skullery YDC |
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Feck please explain...I think it's funny you accusing anyone of being sectarian skullery .. take your time, check all my posts , where i have been remotely sectarian ?
im not saying Rangers dont have some loonballs in their support. people who work there have familys , what decent person would feel good about a place of work closing down and losing jobs |
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can you give me sum examples in football
Juventus. hth |
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swindon lost their promotion (after winning the play-offs) for breaking player payment rules too.
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what decent person would feel good about a place of work closing down and losing jobs
The sort of person who wouldn't have given a **** about the taxpayer being ripped off when Rangers were going for 10 in a row. |
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dr gonzo... how come when they did the vote for Rangers to go into the SPL EVERY CLUB said no, on the basis they should be punished punished punished hence the reason we got moved to div3
read every SPL CLUB STATEMENT , IT SAYS WE FEEL RANGERS SHOULD BE PUNISHED ..HENCE WE ARE NOT LETTING THEM IN ...PUNISHMENT EXAMPLE ..The board of directors of Dundee United are unequivocal in the belief that a form of sportingn punishmet must form part of the reasoning behind any decision made and, therefore, cannot vote the newco into the |
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The thick Rangers fans are also trying to make out that they're being stripped of their titles because of their administration/liquidation.
It's nothing to do with that. |
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the players that rangers attracted during this period would never have considered playing in the scottish league if it had not been for the crazy wages rangers were paying.Wages they could only pay by cheating.
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dr gonzo... how come when they did the vote for Rangers to go into the SPL EVERY CLUB said no, on the basis they should be punished punished punished hence the reason we got moved to div3
Wrong. Again. If you had have been allowed in to the SPL, it would've been because you'd got special dispensation to do so. There is no default position that says the continuation of any liquidated club are allowed back into the same division. Quite the opposite. The "3 year European ban" you lot keep banging on about is also nothing of the sort. Your newco does not meet the criteria to enter European competition. Simple. |
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Juventus is a childish example ..match fixing
i will certainly have a look at charlatans examples on the subject |
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Juventus is a childish example
Doesn't fit skullery's narrow viewpoint = 'childish' |
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I'm not sure what's difficult to understand about it.
If you are found to have fielded an ineligible player, you forfeit the game. |
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as i said Arsenal didnt declare EBT payments to the FA , SHOULD THEY BE STRIPPED OF THE TITLE THEY WON IN THAT PERIOD , FUNNY HOW EVERYONES AVOIDS ANSWERING THAT QUESTION
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I think any club found to have broken the rules should be punished accordingly.
Is that 'avoiding answering that question'? |
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so a case precedent has been set regarding ARSENAL And the English FA . its all media hype it wont happen , legally they cant win this case. IMO of course
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does that include Celtic ..?
Juninho signed for Celtic and used EBT |
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Highlander they weren't relegated from the SPL. They went in to liquidation and advised they would no longer be playing professional football, had no stadium and no players.
Sevco. have never been in the SPL. They applied to get in and were refused in the same way any new team should not be able to leap frog 30 other teams competing to get in to the league. They then applied for the SFL and the SFL decided to avoid it's usual application process and shafted other teams who met the criteri better than sevc and had been waiting to get in for years by assisting sevco and parachuting them in to the SFL 3. What a punishment. |
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att...skullery
does that include Celtic ..? Juninho signed for Celtic and used EBT......... i'd be very careful me old son, i would imagine this guy juninho still has legal representation in the uk, you might not be aware, but your claiming that this person and the company he worked for, broke the law of the land,that is slander and it carries a penalty of upto 5 years in prison..........i've passed your claims onto the relevant authorities. |
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does that include Celtic ..?
I know you lot are convinced this is some kind of Celtic conspiracy against you, but I can assure you i'm not a Celtic fan. |
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does that include Celtic ..?
Anyway, i'd have thought 'I think any club found to have broken the rules should be punished accordingly' was simple enough. As I understand it, the Celtic case was as the player was leaving the club, and he didn't play any games for them whilst the scheme operated, so the scenario of forfeiting games does not apply. |
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thefly .....i've passed your claims onto the relevant authorities. you some sort of comedian..
Juninho signed for Celtic and used EBT.. THIS IS A FACT... NOW WE ARE JUST MAKING THINGS UP ....GONZO As I understand it, the Celtic case was as the player was leaving the club, and he didn't play any games for them whilst the scheme operated, so the scenario of forfeiting games does not apply. |
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NOW WE ARE JUST MAKING THINGS UP ....GONZO
I'm not making anything up, my comment was based on what i've read. It might be wrong. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please post it. |
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skullery 22 Jul 12 14:57
Arsenal used EBTS made a deal with HMRC AND PAID 8& OF WHAT WAS OWED they didnt declare these double contracts to the FA WHY WOULD THEY AS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LOANS ...SO MY QUESTION IS why didnt ARSENAL GET STRIPPED OF THE ONE TITLE THEY WON IN THAT PERIOD.. Feck N. Eejit 22 Jul 12 15:04 If the old Rangers make a deal with HMRC they won't get stripped of their titles either. Maybe you should give Dave a phone. skullery 22 Jul 12 15:52 as i said Arsenal didnt declare EBT payments to the FA , SHOULD THEY BE STRIPPED OF THE TITLE THEY WON IN THAT PERIOD , FUNNY HOW EVERYONES AVOIDS ANSWERING THAT QUESTION  |
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If the old Rangers make a deal with HMRC they won't get stripped of their titles either. Maybe you should give Dave a phone...FECK you are lost on the subject..
the crime is alleged dual contracts , with player contracts to the SFA You seem to like using metaphors and analogy..so here If i rob a bank and get caught and found guilty , but offer to hand back the cash am i now innocent of all charges |
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The use of EBT's as part of a contractual salary, double contracts and fielding ineligible players is cheating. If found guilty of cheating any honours won should be voided. That is what happens in all sports. To be honest I'm not bothered about the titles as cheating will have completely tarnished the prestige of winning titles in the same way as doping does etc without the SPL having to strip the titles.
But how do you suggest we prevent cheats from prospering in the future? It would be open season to blatantly break rules to win money and prestige with no repurcussions. |
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you are lost on the subject..
No, i'm afraid you're the one who is lost. Wildly thrashing around looking for any excuse for your club's behaviour. That is why the rest of Scottish football and beyond, not just Celtic, have no respect, and very little sympathy with your current predicament. |
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recently in the media when it was “revealed” REAL MADRID BARCELONA that these great teams were built on a mountain of debt (€590 million at Real Madrid and €578 million at Barcelona)they seem to be , raising questions as to whether this was, to coin a phrase, “financial fair play. maybe UEFA should start at the top
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