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By:
liamcol
When: 19 Jul 12 18:35
scotbet
15 Jul 12 17:57 Joined: 02 Aug 01 | Topic/replies: 1,747 | Blogger: scotbet's blog
It a bit like a company owning a horse that wins many races  , the company goes wrong , gets lquidated , the liquidator sells the assets - one of which is a horse - the horse has a new owner and people then saying the horse has no history ......it's so basic here lads

No no no, it is the horse who has died here, how many more races can it win now?

Or, as anyone else put it, if I change my name to Elvis Presley, buy one of his sparkly suits, and get a gig in Las Vegas, question for old rangers fans, is Elvis dead or alive?
By:
starfish and coffee
When: 19 Jul 12 18:38
Rangers 1872 have now left the building...
By:
liamcol
When: 19 Jul 12 18:41
... And they certainly weren't Crying in the Chapel.
By:
high_lander
When: 19 Jul 12 18:57
It's still the same old Rangers if the Rangers fans say it is, it's up to them.
By:
skullery
When: 19 Jul 12 20:42
still called Rangers .. check

still play in blue ..... check

still play at Ibrox ..... check

Celtic supporters cant stop obsessing over Rangers ..check

give me a shout if any of the following change

Rangers 144 years and still here
By:
starfish and coffee
When: 19 Jul 12 20:47
Went bust ... check

new company ... check

Had to enter as a new team in sfl div 3 ... check

same deluded fans ... check


Celtic 1967 european champions and current spl champions... check



Give me a shout if any of that changes
By:
tambhoy5
When: 19 Jul 12 21:18
fear not you delusional knuckle graggers your saviour has arrivedLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

By:
tambhoy5
When: 19 Jul 12 21:19
draggers
By:
skullery
When: 19 Jul 12 21:24
now i see why you only post photos tambhoy , you illiterate fool
By:
tambhoy5
When: 19 Jul 12 21:34
slip of the fingers.
and just to enlighten you the apostrophe should go directly after my name.CrazyLaugh
By:
tambhoy5
When: 19 Jul 12 21:36
it's not an apostropheBlush
By:
skullery
When: 20 Jul 12 19:00
Thats how it is.

New company, same club registration within the SFA.

It removes the ambiguity over our status as a continuing club or a new club. It also renders the term "newco" redundant.

Regardless of our corporate status, the transfer of membership ensures that we're the same continuous member of the SFA. hence the reason Rangers had to accept the transfer embargo
By:
Mexico
When: 20 Jul 12 19:14
Skull all this shows is that FIFA would have been upset if new Rangers were let off.

Green had to bend over , grit his teeth and then say "ummm that was good" once the SFA had finished.
I can't understand why the administrators took the case to court.
By:
skullery
When: 20 Jul 12 19:24
most important thing that has happened is the SFA have approved membership or transferred membership , they can now play football and of course history and timeline remain intact , downside they will have to take all punishments and fines ( transfer embargo )
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 20 Jul 12 19:36
When I was a boy I had a goldfish named Han Solo. He was the best goldfish a young lad could ever have.

But one day he just stopped moving and lay still at the top of his bowl. At first I refused to believe anything could have been wrong with Han Solo but at the end of the day I told my mum about it and she told me he was just sleeping and he would be okay tomorrow.

The next day I looked at the bowl and he looked the liveliest he'd been since I got him and he was even bigger and golder then he had ever looked. My friend said he didn't look the same but my mum and dad told me don't be stupid and I believed them.

As time went on no matter how much mum and dad told me nothing had changed and Han Solo still lived I knew deep down he was dead. I wasn't mad they lied, as I knew they just did it to protect my feelings.
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 20 Jul 12 19:39
For all the Rangers fans who are a bit dim in the above analogy

a 4 year old me = Rangers fans

my mum and dad = the SFA

Happy
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 20 Jul 12 19:40
^^^LaughLaughLaugh
By:
tambhoy5
When: 20 Jul 12 20:12
the transfer ban begins AFTER the window closes giving them time to buy in players and leaving the rest of us collectively wondering what was the point in giving them the ban in the first place?

Well the point was that the only other punishments available where suspension and termination of licence....

Yet still they will scream about how hard done by they are when yet again another decision has favoured them more than it has actually punished them effectively or hindered them.

a punishment for show and nothing else, if ever I saw one.Absolutely pathetic and yet another free ride for 'Rangers' from the SFA..
By:
charlatan
When: 20 Jul 12 20:28
agreed. clearly they shouldn't be allowed to sign anyone until they've paid the transfer fees owed to other clubs.
By:
skullery
When: 20 Jul 12 20:34
what  a lovely analogy shrewd

but the fact remains Rangers can now quote and have their history after their name .. impossible for some to take on here , which makes posting this all  the more pleasurable ..

And  i now look forward to the OLDEST derby in scotland with Queens park ..

Tom Millar on talksport just now...quote..This is a transfer is of the old Rangers membership from the SFA so we can stop using this Newco term nonsenseLaugh
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 20 Jul 12 20:57
Looking forward to playing against an amateur team. Classic.

When was the first Rangers v Queens Park game?
By:
skullery
When: 20 Jul 12 21:21
March 22nd - Season 1878-79 - Scottish Cup QF - Rangers 1 Queens Park 0

in these times of trouble, have to show a brave face shrewd
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 20 Jul 12 21:26
When is the first Newco v Queens Park game?
By:
high_lander
When: 20 Jul 12 21:58
So the moral was Rangers should buy some Goldfish?
By:
Kal84
When: 20 Jul 12 22:01
By:
high_lander
When: 20 Jul 12 22:06
Rangers fans should buy Goldfish?
By:
chelters16
When: 20 Jul 12 22:10
I win the Euro millions
I buy Gracelands
I wear a white jumpsuit
I grow my sideburns
I drive around in a cadillac
I sing Jailhouse rock
BUT IM STILL NOT ELVIS.

I hope that makes it easier for the truth to be acknowledged.
By:
skullery
When: 20 Jul 12 22:24
ok let me try this silly story game..

my company buys a horse , my company is defunct and i lose the horse , does the horse cease to exist ? does it become a brand new horse ........ madness ehh maybe i should have used a goldfish scenario

bottom line SFA transferred membership history intact  ..Laugh
By:
liamcol
When: 20 Jul 12 23:00
My oh my, can they not let go?
Listen, old rangers are finished, finnnish, whatever, ok?
New sevco have been allowed into the 3rd division, why ? I have no idea.
Now, for new sevco fans, lol, when you ran up hundreds of millions of taxpayers debt, in the premier league, how are you going to manage in the 3rd division? (if you have a licence)
By:
skullery
When: 20 Jul 12 23:20
what part dont you get ? , membership transferred ,any attempts to punish the 'newco' for the 'sins' of the oldco confirms that the authorities also view it as the same entity, with nothing more than a new corporate structure.

The Rangers story goes on...
By:
liamcol
When: 21 Jul 12 00:23
Exactly, you have got it, eventually, sigh.
A "new club", has been allowed to join div 3, (who knows why, ahead of spartans, cove, etc.?)
Anyway, the old rangers don't exist anymore, we are agreed on that.
So, their punishments can only be toward people in a financial sense, who ran the old rangers, this is nothing to do with any newco, sevco, football team, they are totally different entities.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 21 Jul 12 00:27
follow follow ....NO SURRENDER
By:
charlatan
When: 21 Jul 12 00:32
Rangers: Signing ban not enough for SPL to approve newco

The new Rangers' participation in Scottish football next season is not certain despite accepting a 12-month transfer ban from the Scottish FA.

Sevco Scotland, which now owns Rangers' assets after the old club headed for liquidation, needs SFA membership.

But it must also reach agreement with the Scottish Premier League.

The SPL, which rejected the new club's application to stay in the top flight, wants further sanctions and a share of Rangers' Division Three media rights.
   
Administrator Duff and Phelps, which still controls the oldco Rangers, Sevco, the Scottish Football League, the SPL and SFA must all agree the package to allow the new Rangers to play in the coming season, starting on 28 July in the Ramsdens Cup away to Brechin City.

Sevco chief executive Charles Green had argued that a transfer ban would prevent the club competing as manager Ally McCoist has lost many of his players.

And, following a week of discussions, the SFA released a statement saying that Rangers had now accepted a transfer embargo, which would begin on 1 September and end on 31 August next year.

That would mean Rangers could make signings in the current transfer window but not in January or next summer, but Malcolm Murray, chairman of the new Rangers, stressed that no agreement had yet been signed.

"The choice is stark - take sanctions or risk not playing football at all," he said.

"We do not wish to gamble with the club's future. So, under duress, we have taken the difficult decision to accept some sanctions in order to move forward.

"A delayed transfer ban would be a bitter pill to swallow and will only be agreed to if the alternative is no football.

"We also regret that the any agreement with the SFA appears not to have the support of the SPL and, as such, it still wishes to impose further sanctions on the club for the actions of previous regimes despite already voting us out of its league.

"This is truly astounding to everyone at the club who is now in charge of rebuilding Rangers from Division Three, particularly as the SPL are still trying to benefit from our media rights."

Murray, though, appeared to suggest that accepting sanctions from the SPL for the use of controversial Employee Benefit Trusts to pay players may be necessary.

"Whilst we are deeply frustrated that the club and the new owners will have to accept some punishments for the sins of previous regimes, we are at the point where we have to move forward and get back playing football," he said.

"We will all continue to work hard over the coming days in order to begin the season and play our first match next Sunday."

The transfer ban and £160,000 fine had been imposed on Rangers by the SFA for bringing the game into disrepute, mainly over the club's failure to pay more than £13m in taxes last season.

Rangers administrator challenged the decision at the Court of Session and it was set aside by Lord Glennie, who referred it back to the SFA's appellate tribunal to reconsider.

However, the SFA announced that: "It has been agreed with Sevco Scotland Ltd that the registration embargo will be accepted as a primary condition of a transfer of membership.

"It is necessary to complete the judicial process following the determination by Lord Glennie in the Court of Session that required the independent appellate body to revisit available sanctions relating to oldco, having been found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute," said the SFA statement.

"Rather than convening the appellate tribunal to determine from the sanctions available to it, the company directors of Sevco Scotland Ltd have chosen to accept the 12-month registration embargo.

"Sevco Scotland Ltd have also undertaken to accept all other outstanding conditions relating to oldco's charges of bringing the game into disrepute.

"The conditional offer of transfer will now be submitted to the appellate tribunal for its consideration.

"Subject to the completion of all legal documentation, we anticipate transfer of membership next week.

"The imposition of conditions relating to transfer of membership was made on the basis that the Scottish FA, as the governing body, has an obligation to protect the integrity of the national game and to ensure that all member clubs operate within the articles of association."

The SFA announcement came on the day "The Rangers FC" were drawn at home to East Fife in the first round of the Scottish Communities League Cup.
Laugh
By:
liamcol
When: 21 Jul 12 00:36
A week ago, I was going evens each of 2, newco in 3rd, or nowhere, now, it's 6/4 3rd, 8/13 a year out.
By:
liamcol
When: 21 Jul 12 00:38
oh, p.s. have newco got a licence to play football, anywhere, yet?
By:
skullery
When: 21 Jul 12 00:39
yes we agree 54 and counting
By:
liamcol
When: 21 Jul 12 00:44
54 for a wee while anyway, not that it matters for old club fans, they are gone anyway.
By:
skullery
When: 21 Jul 12 00:55
i think we both history will show Rangers are rangers , and now the SFA  have made it official ..

it was really very simple ,transfer membership to new company structure =same Rangers .

or SFA refuse membership transfer to Rangers, then it would have been apply as as a new member =new club
By:
breadnbutter
When: 21 Jul 12 01:03
torbett towers kept their history after changing to a newco ,but its always  the same wi the dhims ,one rule for them and another for everyone else .
By:
liamcol
When: 21 Jul 12 01:05
Exactly, I agree with you, rangers, were rangers, they are now defunct.
Some ex rangers fans will choose to follow sevco, if they are allowed to play, fair play to them.
If old rangers couldn't make it pay getting spl and sometimes ch league money, it is difficult to see how sevco can do.
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