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By:
high_lander
When: 31 Mar 12 13:34
Messi was abject against Milan and is mediocre for Argentina, he only likes it when he is playing for Barca at home against inferior opposition. He once had a good game against Manu well woopie dooo, a one off game with the might of the all conquering Spanish international side making him look good. It's not enough, sorry. If he was truly in the class of Maradona he would do much more for Argentina and would have done much more the other day against Milan. He was rubbish! Laugh
By:
ilikewavingatbuses
When: 31 Mar 12 13:38
high_lander
31 Mar 12 12:54
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Don't listen to JamDav, he's a clueless Barcelona obsessed mug, who masturbates to the Messi posters pinned to his ceiling every night. His sycophantic defence of Messi is truly vomit inducing.

Everyone knows Messi is a flat-track-bully, we see it in every major competition with Argentina and we saw it again against Milan the other day. He only plays well when everything is in his favour, as soon as it becomes anything like hard work he downs tools and doesn't want to know.




the dza
31 Mar 12 13:24
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Laugh Definitely brain damage.
Laugh



agree
By:
the dza
When: 31 Mar 12 13:38
Ok, I'm certain that you aren't brain-damaged, you are definitely fishing. Cap off, I have been in your net several times. Laugh
By:
high_lander
When: 31 Mar 12 13:38
the dza is another messi fanboy who licks his Argie ass every chance he gets, yet another sycophantic ****.
By:
John_Cherry
When: 31 Mar 12 13:39
Messi is a brilliant footballer but I'm doing my best to give reasons as to why Maradona may edge it.
I remember Maradona being man marked in his WCs by 2 or 3 at a time which freed up his teammates and he capitalised on this
A fantastic Brazil side who in no way would one describe as dirty nearly kicked him off the park and had the shirt torn of his back. These were the lengths teams went to and illustrate how feared DM was.
It's all zonal nowadays and Messi gets more room imo and no way gets the rough treatment DM did
By:
ilikewavingatbuses
When: 31 Mar 12 13:39
By:
high_lander
When: 31 Mar 12 13:39
*the blanked out word was common slang for prostitute, just so you know Happy
By:
ilikewavingatbuses
When: 31 Mar 12 13:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRVbe4ro1RM&feature=related


just watch that video and all will become obvious!

maradona wasnt this good!
By:
the dza
When: 31 Mar 12 13:41
High Lander, I have swam free of your net. Enough now! Laugh
By:
maggot
When: 31 Mar 12 13:42
I thought that Messi did ok against Milan. Not sure which game you were watching if you thought him rubbish.

Maradona has roughly the same goal ratio, as Messi, at international level, and he was playing in a far better team.

Are you going to answer my quaestion. How many times have you seen Messi play at international level ?
By:
JamDav1982
When: 31 Mar 12 13:42
highlander - do you ever get anything right on this forum?

I think you are still heart broken from the way Messi has torn your side to bits in the CL the last couple of times they have met.
By:
John_Cherry
When: 31 Mar 12 13:43
How do you know that buses? Apparently there's not enough evidence to judge Maradona on!
Don't you know that pre-sky days no player can be considered an all-time great due to lack of evidence!
Only last week Pele (only 10 hours of known footage of him exist) was placed behind Peter Crouch in the revised pecking order!
By:
R0ykeane
When: 31 Mar 12 13:44
Give me ronaldo every time.
By:
JamDav1982
When: 31 Mar 12 13:45
Ha Ronaldo.

That debate was ended a long time ago.
By:
John_Cherry
When: 31 Mar 12 13:47
Seriously I saw maradona do one trick that left me feeling omg!
I'll try and describe it, I'm sure it was on youtube.

On the left wing jogging with the ball, on the touchline roughly 10 yards from byline, did one of those ronaldo/rivaldo things where he crossed his left leg behind his right to cross the ball into the box. We've seen this a few times since but he hit this ball hard and just above head height ,the sort of crosses strikers love.
Incredible.
By:
high_lander
When: 31 Mar 12 13:47
ilikewavingatbuses, don't be silly, Maradona could play at international level, Messi cant. Maradona took a mediocre Argentina and made them world beaters. Maradona took a mediocre Napoli side and made them Italian Champions back in the day when Italy had the best league in the world. He was fantastic in Italy when the Italian league was known to be the toughest league to score in...probably ever, it had the best defenders in the world. Who couldn't score in La Liga? Evan Andy Carrol would score 50 a season over there Laugh
By:
JamDav1982
When: 31 Mar 12 13:49
Highlander showing his lack of knowledge as usual and trotting out the line about Maradona taking 'mediocre Napoli and Argentina' sides to victory.

Go and read up on it highlander before trotting out other peoples cliches that you have little clue about. Both Argentina and Napoli had strong squads you mug.
By:
John_Cherry
When: 31 Mar 12 13:51
I'm gunna backtrack a bit now. having seen buses clip, lm does beat 1 nor 2 players occasionally Silly
By:
R0ykeane
When: 31 Mar 12 13:51
Only in your head Jam,


As ibra said when asked if messi could be as effective in seria A... 'if he can take the barcelona team with him'.


Its as clear as day what is going to happen, when barcelona fade as the force in world football as xavi and inestia retire messi's effectiveness will dip and the mugs will claim he peaked too early or some pish.

This is the best side the boy will play in. There will be no real drop in his quality, he just won't look quite as good and the mugs will misdiagnose as per.

Called it (nap)Cool
By:
JamDav1982
When: 31 Mar 12 13:54
Well that was Ibrahimovic's view R0y but what did the real Roy Keane say before the game?

He said that Messi would be the greatest player in any team in any league in the world.

Different opinions.
By:
the dza
When: 31 Mar 12 13:55
John -- it's not that a lack of footage means players weren't great. But most of the old greats get their best highlights played over and over for years afterwards, and when you only saw them a handful of times, their great games live in the memory.

Players like Messi and Ronaldo now, they have many great games and some poor ones too. But every minute is shown and analysed again and again; consqeuently, their great games don't become quite so legendary and their poor games are there for all to see.

Nobody thinks of Maradona and remembers the seasons where he got 11 league goals in 20 league games for Barca (not bad, but not earth-shattering) or his last season at Napoli, where he scored just 6 goals in 18 league games. People remember the World Cup, where he did great on TV. That's not to say that he wasn't a great player, but all of his average performances have faded from memory -- in most cases, there isn't even a memory of them because those games weren't on TV.
By:
high_lander
When: 31 Mar 12 13:55
Lets get something in perspective here, the current AC Milan side is very poor, they would be lucky to finish top 10 in EPL, and Messi couldn't play against THAT! He couldn't even get by one player, he was rubbish, really bad. In the 2nd half he was so bad it was embarrassing. He got nowhere, time and time again and looked like plug! Maradona would have had those Milan defenders on their derrier time and time again, he would have made a fool of them.
By:
the dza
When: 31 Mar 12 13:59
R0y -- the flipside is, he is the standout player in a team which has several world-class performers. Not Ibra when he was there, not Villa (two really excellent players). But Messi. He's the biggest fish in the biggest pond.
By:
JamDav1982
When: 31 Mar 12 13:59
Highlander your stupidity knows no bounds.

What was Maradona's goal record in europe for Napoli? It was something like two goals from open play in twenty five games against some mug eastern european team.

If Maradona could do everything on his own why did he only win three league titles in a twenty year career
By:
maggot
When: 31 Mar 12 13:59
" Maradona took a mediocre Argentina, and made them world beaters."   What a mug.Laugh. Utterly clueless.

The fact that you have refused to answer the question, also makes you a mug.
By:
R0ykeane
When: 31 Mar 12 14:01
He said that Messi would be the greatest player in any team in any league in the world.

I'm not arguing that...along with Ronaldo Messi clearly the best in the world.

My point, as has always been and as Ibra has spotted, is that people underestimate the impact of barcelona and in particular xavi and inestia on his level of performance/effectiveness.

When he plays for argentina he remains the best player in the world but he looks a pale comparison of the messi in a barcelona shirt. This is over how many years now?! I just think its funny that in messi's peak years there is a strong chance that people will think his performance levels are lower than they are now.

Anyhoo, as ever I point to the stars and you look at the tip of my finger.
By:
JamDav1982
When: 31 Mar 12 14:06
No R0y he plays a much different role for Argentina than Brcelona and they dont look to him so much for goals as the one thing they have is goalscorers. He is there to create as a playmaker and wont get the same number of goals as he does for Barca.

Ronaldo also has a far poorer goalscoring rate for Portugal as does Rooney for England etc its not just Messi.

R0y you seem to point everything towards Xavi and Iniesta yet Messi continues to score for Barca when one or both are missing.

The most creative players out with Messi in La Liga this year are Di Maria and Ozil. Who do they play for and assisist each week?
By:
MayoMan
When: 31 Mar 12 14:07
Just looked back at some Maradona stuff on Youtube and I think you cant say for certain he is the best ever - but he is in that group of all time greats. 

The 86 WC was special for me cos I watched every Argie game that year and Maradona delivered every time.
By:
high_lander
When: 31 Mar 12 14:08
Jamdav what inane drivel are you going on about now? It looks like you have plucked some obscure stat, probably the only one you could find that make Maradona look bad, you hopeless desperate Messi bum boy Laugh
By:
the dza
When: 31 Mar 12 14:09
Interesting Jam -- when Maradona was at Barca, they finished 4th and 3rd. He did have a bad time with injury and illness, but still managed 20 and 16 league appearances respectively.

His first season at Napoli, they finished 8th. And that was the season where he made his highest number of league appearances for them, 30 apps.

2nd season, they finished 3rd

3rd season, they finished 1st.

4th season, they finished 2nd.

5th season, they finished 2nd.

6th season, they finished 1st.

7th and final season, they finished 8th.

Then he had a 15 month ban, they finished 4th without him.
By:
JamDav1982
When: 31 Mar 12 14:10
Highlander as I thought, you have no rational argument to come back with and come out with inane drivel.

Who does Arsene Wenger think is the greatest ever?
By:
maggot
When: 31 Mar 12 14:12
Tony Adams ?
By:
high_lander
When: 31 Mar 12 14:13
Greatest player ever was rubbish against a mediocre side like AC Milan, utterly hopeless, he looked like a plug Laugh
By:
high_lander
When: 31 Mar 12 14:15
JamDav, is brainless steals my phrase because he is a witless buffoon Grin
By:
JamDav1982
When: 31 Mar 12 14:16
high-lander tell us about the best two or three players for Argentna in 1986 besides Maradona?

How about the best to or three players for Napoli in the late eighties?

I doubt you know one name outwith Maradona.
By:
the dza
When: 31 Mar 12 14:18
Arsene knows?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJ9hexX_3c

go to 47 seconds in...
By:
high_lander
When: 31 Mar 12 14:21
the dza, sniping from the side-lines like an angry chimpanzee Laugh
By:
maggot
When: 31 Mar 12 14:22
All in all, a dreadfully embarrassing hour or so for high lander.
By:
JamDav1982
When: 31 Mar 12 14:23
Care to answer my last question highlander?

Or as per usual are you going to avoid backing up one of your clue less statements?
By:
high_lander
When: 31 Mar 12 14:25
On the contrary maggot, I'm having a lot of fun Cool
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