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Lionel Messi....The greatest footballer of all time?
Lionel Messi....The greatest footballer of all time?
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yes i agree and 5 goals this morning and i am not saying his not a talent and surely one of worlds best.
i just think he should step it up and prove it another league. he is nothing special when playing for his nation? you have to consider having mids like inesta / xavi makes everyones life so much easier.. |
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Someone rated possibly the best player ever isn't that likely to end up in an average team.
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lets compare to someone like ronaldo not saying his better because i personally think you cant really compare...
he started at Man utd played all his career as a winger and he scored 20+ goals easily. and to compare carrick/fletcher to xavi/inesta is crazy. now he comes to madrid and still scores 30+ and yes now more a more central role... international stage fair enough he hasnt really done anything special but if your going to compare he has actually done more then messi has for his nation especially in euro 2004 at such a young age. |
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another fact barca 10 points behind real? when did they drop those points? when xavi / inesta injured not 100% where was the greatest at this time in need?
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Maradona played in an unsuccessful Argentina world cup campaign in 1982 at the age of 22, as did messi who was the same age in 2010. So at a comparable stage of their career, messi is well ahead imo. People can't judge him on a world cup (s) that havent even been played.
Remember also that messi had the choice to play for Spain but chose Argentina. Had he chosen Spain and won the euros and world cup, this debate would be over. |
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also zidane was the best! put him at real now and barca don't win the CL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68g_svqhqHw |
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LEARNING TO ACHIEVE 70 % OF Keeping that round thing they play with is the best simple answer . No other side comes close to ,,real holding ball and not GIVING IT TO THE OFTEN POOR OPPOSITION ..... keep the advantage .....................don't loose the BALL ........ROCKET SCIENCE ?
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maradona won the seria a for napoli all alone. they had never won anything. barca without xavi / inesta but with the greatest cant even beat osasuna ? same deal vs getafe no inesta 1-0 loss?
i just belive inesta / xavi is alot more important to barca then messi |
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grumpyjim- exactly barca as a team greatest of all time YES I AGREE well in my time!
Messi greatest of all time No sorry dont agree although dont rule him out of him being able to acheive it. |
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NO QUESTION HE NEEDS SUPPORT HE ENJOYS FROM HIS FELLOW PROFESSIONALS , BUT THAT IS WHAT IS ACHIEVED WITH TEAM WORK ....L eaves.. 3 ..4 ..5 ..men standing , walks away finds his man ,always very much in control , a joy to watch ,,seldom watch sh.t games for much more than half an hour or so ...?his awareness of whats happening around him is far better than i've ever seen before , and I am heading for 70 years of age .Great to see what can be achieved ,...and he looks a small man in comparison to some others .
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I'm sure there were another couple of reasonable players in the Napoli side that one their league. Having said that, if you put Maradona and Messi in Bradford's side this year they'd probably just about manage the league 2 playoffs.
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yes agree napoli would have had resonable players but they were not expected to win the league.
barca winning the la liga is just expected with or without messi? |
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messi is god talksport keep saying uk players box to box athletes messi is a throw back to the 70s in uk when we had best rogers bowles worthington hoddle marsh etc all cld beat a man how many in the prem now esp at non top 4 clubs
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most naturally talented players , usually run the game at their pace ,never without knowing the capabillity they really have .
One jim baxter was a very good , player hated training ,was snail pace slow ,but the ball was always at his feet, he told a story one time , about pre season training , where he was a lap and a half behind all the rest ,when challenged by the boss ,he said you know I DONT GO ANYWHERE FAST BOSS ,cant cope with this running game .....by the way now I'M here can I ASK YOU FOR A RAISE IN WAGES AS STRUGGLING A BIT , it cost a extra tenner a week ,to give a pep talk to J .B , REAL GENTLEMAN IN THE GAME AT THAT TIME ? |
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Whilst Maradona was undeniably brilliant at Napoli, i think people seem to think he went there and they won the league at a canter in his first season, but far from it. He went there in 1984. In his first season they finished 8th in a 15 team league and didn't even qualify for europe.
In his 2nd season there they improved to 3rd and it wasn't until his 3rd season there that they won Serie A. This qualified them into the following seasons European Cup where Napoli went out in the first round!! And that year they came 2nd in the league. And to those who are claiming that Napoli side was a one man show, their squad also had Careca (60 caps for Brazil), Alemao (39 caps for Brazil), de Napoli (54 caps for Italy), Ferrara (49 caps for Italy), Bagni (41 caps for Italy) and another italian international Andrea Carnevale. This wasn't a team of no hopers. |
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ardiles played with maradona and states messi is the best, so he's probably better qualified to settle this argument than us
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gordan strachan said last night. u can try and compare messi with pele and maradona but for me hes pele and mardona rolled into 1 hes that good. hardly say strachans a manegerial genius but hes nos a bit like
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Wenger has been around for a few years too and he said Messi is the best ever
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What Messi is probably the best of all time at and is a quality that has become important in the modern game is making space in and close to the box to get shots in.
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seen that biscuit. did u watch the documentry?
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Maradona needed drugs to get on the pitch and admits being addicted from '91 however Maradona first became addicted to cocaine in the mid 1980′s and by the time of his retirement in 1997, after 17 years as a top player, Maradona’s health was poor. He suffered a cocaine related heart attack in 2000, did some rehab in Cuba, and suffered a further cocaine related heart attack in 2004. All through his peak years. Undoubtedly an exceptional footballer but also a cheat. |
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another poor game in a really top match
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Will he ever score in a big derby game or a meaningful cup final? Rubbish, sell him.
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christ meaningful cup final, oh yes man utd
 , reminded me of his no show v inter 2 years ago semi final, he is no maradona, best, pele |
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maradona had off games for sure , Best more likely did anyway in his albeit very short career - as for Pele ? he only played against pub sides and chicken farmers
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Messi isn't even close to the top 10 players of all time let alone no.1.
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Everybody knows that Maradona scored a hat-trick in every game he played -- all goals being solo-runs, finished by flopping his nob out and tapping the ball over the line. Yes, he was THAT good.
And let's face it, when it comes to the European Cup, Maradona can teach Messi a thing or two. Outstanding record. I for one am sick of Messi not scoring in every game. He is even playing badly sometimes, wtf? Supposedly the best ever, ridiculous. I don't think I ever saw Georgie Best have a bad game -- ok, I never saw him play, but that's not the point. By not seeing him play, he never FAILED to impress me, and for me, that is the hallmark of a great player. Look, when Messi can have a World Cup as good as Georgie Best or a European Cup as good as Maradona back in the day, then we can talk. Til then, he can just f**k off with his "important" goals against mugs like Real Madrid and Man Utd. |
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PierreLaRogue. I've never read such a load of tosh in my life. Name ten players in history better than Messi, and as you say that he's not even close to top ten, I demand that you name twenty. Mug.
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i know some mug fishermen would come on spouting utter bilige after the match
for all intensive purposes, he played no worse than most of the players on the feckin pitch and was absolutely sublime again at times! the bloke doesnt score a hatrick and u mugs are out in force, what u think maradona didnt have off days? not to mention the fact messi NEVER gets injured no matter how hard they hit him!THE BEST EVER  |
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PierreLaRogue
28 Mar 12 22:04 Joined: 31 Aug 07 | Topic/replies: 829 | Blogger: PierreLaRogue's blog Messi isn't even close to the top 10 players of all time let alone no.1.  |
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I'm sick of all this tosh, messi in an average team in the premiership like everton would hit around 20 goals per season,
If you put Carlton Cole in the current Barca team he would hit 30+ per season He is the best in the world but his team mates get little cr |
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So Carlton Cole would get more goals for Barcelona than the likes of Villa, Ibrahimovic, Sanchez, Bojan etc have?
What a complete load of rubbish. There have been plenty of great players like the ones named above and Ronaldinho, Henry, Etoo. None of them got anywhere near the goals Messi has. Give it a break - Carlton Cole. |
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OK how many would Carlton Cole get playing in the current Barca team ??
He would hit 25-30 per season if not more, look at the team they have now Bojan is pants, Ibrahimovic is not a prolific striker |
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Ibrahimovic not prolific? He has virtually a goal a game this season and had a very good record the seasons before he joined Barca at Inter.
Fact is Ibrahimovic is in a completely different league to Carlton Cole and he struggled to hit twenty goals. Even Etoo had his best ever goalscoring season away from Barca. What a clueless thing to say 'Carlton Cole would get 20 - 30 for Barca. The mind boggles. |
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exactly, nobody has gotten the amount he has no matter how good they were PERCEIVED to be. youre reference of carlton cole is fooking farcical. u may aswell throw messi on a par with andy carroll if youre gonna talk like that. every exceptional player needs a good team and everyone praises iniesta and xavi to high heaven week in week out, everfyone knows how exceptional they are, they just happen to play alongside a player who has taken the game to new heights the likes of which has never been seen.
even when he has a 'bad' game hes still the best player on the pitch. remarkable given that his fellow players, from all teams regard him as one of the greatest ever. if someone cant see that messi is absolutely exceptional, then they are blind. this is not my opinion, this is a fact of life, the guy is a freak of nature, his game has absolutely no weaknesses, dribbling, passing, speed, strength, and most importantly consistancy, he practically always comes up with the good, something u cant say very often about footballers. to top it off hes a team player, he plays for his teammates! no weaknesses! |
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All I'm saying is that in the current Barca set up the average Premiership Striker would hit 20+
Perhaps I was going overboard by saying Carlton Cole 30 Goals |
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yeah average would get 20...how mny has messi got?
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End up with 60+
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cherrypicker I think you may just be the most clueless person I have ever come across on this forum.
The fact is Etoo, Ibrahimovic, Villa, Sanchez etc have not nearly matched Messi's scoring yet you think Carlton Cole would get 20-30. Wow. |