JAM please look I did go overboard what I was trying to say is that Barca have a world class side and will smash the Champions League.

Torres is a far superior player than Carlton Cole and struggles for Spain with the Barcelona players. Its not just a case of anyone would score playing with them.

Messi is  NOT  the greatest player of all time.

may have been said but surely a players greatness is based on trophies won by teams they,ve played for and on that note barc and the arggies are great sides sooooo has he won the most trophies

When you look at the players who have won 3 ballon d'or trophies -- Cruyff, Platini, Van Basten -- and you recognise how sh*t and over-rated these players were, you begin to realise how dump Messi actually is, having won the last 3 ballon d'or awards in a row.

I'd go as far to say that if he wins a 4th in a row, he's about the worst and most over-rated player to have ever played at any level. I could only see him in a worse light if he were to happen to do well at a World Cup.

As for dominating the Champions League, don't make me laugh. It's not exactly on a par with scoring 6 against Northampton is it?

I've seen enough highlight clips of Maradona to know that Messi won't ever touch him. And there are people on this forum who saw all of his games for Napoli and they will tell you, Diego cannot be touched. And as for those goals that Pele nearly scored, do you honestly think Messi could nearly score goals as good as that? Mugs.

Wake me up when he's actually achieved something.

Maradona is the greatest player ever.
A higher % of people who have seen both Maradona and Messi whilst adults
would go for Maradona.
Most people who go for Messi are 20-30. Like most things they think the best are around in their era.
I'll take the opinions of people who are in a position to judge ie seen both at their best.

What does it matter if people in their 20-30's prefer Messi?

I doubt 99% of those older than that saw Maradona in more than ten games his whole career.

I dont think it is all that clear cut that the older age group prefer Maradona anyway. Certainly by the comments that those who played with and against Maradona are coming out with on a dailly basis it looks like Messi is prefered by a lot of them and its increasing all the time.

Ardiles said Messi is better than Maradona, i heard that the other night.
Who else is there?

John where did you watch Maradona week in week out?

What are you looking for a list of people that have said Messi is best ever?

There are far more than just Ardilles from that era that have said Messi is better. I doubt there is a poll on such a thing but I wouldnt bank on Maradona being voted above Messi by those over 30.

There is not a player in the history off football who could control a ball moving at the speed messi does , it defies belief and the laws off physics

Its hard enough running past people at that pace without having a football to control


its like its glued to his feet

And to achieve what he has and do what he has does in this era off super fitness and high performance athletic footballer makes it even more of an achievment

And you can understand maradonna sticking out at napoli as he was class no question , but for messi to stick out amongst the greatest team the planet has ever seen leaves no question in my mind he is the best ever

The argument seems to be that one can't have seen Maradona as often as Messi, ie week in week out.Therefore  although Maradona was spellbinding in the matches we did see (usually in world cups against the best where Messi has thus far made little impression) and is what his reputation is built on, we must however assume he wasn't very good in the matches unseen by most, instead of the logical assumption  that he pretty much was brilliant in most like Messi. A spurious argument imo verging on nonsensical.


We'll have to disagree about who would poll highest with people aged over 20 Jamdav.
I've seen a 'who was the greatest' poll on here a few months back and w/o counting up, Maradona's name arose the most by quite a way iirc.

Don't listen to JamDav, he's a clueless Barcelona obsessed mug, who masturbates to the Messi posters pinned to his ceiling every night. His sycophantic defence of Messi is truly vomit inducing.

Everyone knows Messi is a flat-track-bully, we see it in every major competition with Argentina and we saw it again against Milan the other day. He only plays well when everything is in his favour, as soon as it becomes anything like hard work he downs tools and doesn't want to know.

Not fishing, just giving my honest opinion. Anyone who disputes that Messi has problems at international level is definitely fishing. His form dips to the extent that he is unrecognisable as the same player who excels against inferior opposition in La Liga and against lower class CL opposition. What happened in Milan, where was he? A useless performance just the same as his usual for Argentina. 

Looks fantastic against Atletico blah blah and some random Scandinavian side in the CL

the dza you're a clueless mug and a useless fisherman, so kindly stfu you clown.

Both are fantastic players but Maradona to me had the wow factor.
Messi is brilliant but there is just something not there that Diego had.
It's possible that because I'm older and more world-weary that I don't get as excited
about football like I used to.

wow great comeback

John -- I think World Cups used to be more exciting as, for most people in those days, their only exposure to some of the world's best players would be in a few games, every four years or so. Maybe a handful more in big European games at club level. So players who were special and made an impression at those tournaments became the stuff of legend.

Nowadays, there is no mystique -- we see the top players all the time.

I agree there DZA, totally

13.30 post was replying to maggot

High Lander thinks Messi can't do it against good opposition, yet he has dominated against Man Utd and Real Madrid, and on more than one occasion -- two sides currently top of (arguably) the two best leagues in world football.

Hopefully, I am just being fished -- as opposed to Highlander having 'brain trouble'.