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By:
elisjohn
When: 07 Sep 19 15:37
Whoops
By:
johnnythebull
When: 07 Sep 19 15:37
beautiful delivery..when he ain't sulking he can bowl a bit
By:
gibmark
When: 07 Sep 19 15:37

Sep 7, 2019 -- 3:34PM, SaveTheWhales. wrote:


these chumps cant bat defensively for a day


ok i can see that , but how many will Aussie want to declare tonight ..and will they be able to get there

By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Sep 19 15:38
you're assuming they aren't bowled out by stumps?
By:
tomtimtum
When: 07 Sep 19 15:38
Laugh Eng in big trouble now
By:
elisjohn
When: 07 Sep 19 15:39
exciting stuff and alison and ebony together
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Sep 19 15:39
even getting 300...its a day's batting
5th day pitch
GL with that 1
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 07 Sep 19 15:40
Its just making it easier for Aus this
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Sep 19 15:41

Sep 7, 2019 -- 3:40PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:


Its just making it easier for Aus this


correct

By:
gibmark
When: 07 Sep 19 15:41
Aussie ought to go defensive now
By:
johnnythebull
When: 07 Sep 19 15:41
tomtimtum 07 Sep 19 15:38 
Laugh Eng in big trouble now

their bowlers doing their 'steadfast' batsmen up like a kipper
By:
Libertine93
When: 07 Sep 19 15:41
Draw will be 50s by stumps
By:
Hamlin
When: 07 Sep 19 15:42
Crazy Right... and neither England or Australia realise right? You know better than both teams. I swear some people must be delusioned by being in deep on the wrong  prices
By:
tomtimtum
When: 07 Sep 19 15:42
Still don't think you grasped it Hamlin
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Sep 19 15:43
Laugh
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Sep 19 15:43
you cant educate pork
By:
SaveTheWhales.
When: 07 Sep 19 15:43

Sep 7, 2019 -- 3:37PM, gibmark wrote:


Sep  7, 2019 --  3:34PM, SaveTheWhales. wrote:these chumps cant bat defensively for a dayok i can see that , but how many will Aussie want to declare tonight ..and will they be able to get there


the usual 400+ and declare half hour before stumps. New captain to stick to the tried and trusted

By:
Hamlin
When: 07 Sep 19 15:44
No, neither has Paine... Root, Smith and all the commentators and players on the field. Only you and a handful on here have grasped that Aussie should be giving their wickets away as a tactic
By:
Hamlin
When: 07 Sep 19 15:45

Sep 7, 2019 -- 3:43PM, wondersobright wrote:


you cant educate pork


For someone you've "blocked" you sure like to keep talking. Wondersnotsobright

By:
mafeking
When: 07 Sep 19 15:45
market won't think 300 is impossible though especially after last week. won't be getting 5 or 6/1 that's for sure
By:
tomtimtum
When: 07 Sep 19 15:45
Imagine Aus batted out today, took England win out of the equation and declared tomorrow

Odds were;
Aus  2.0
Draw 2.0
England 1000

Now imagine they're bowled out for another 60 runs and take draw out of the equation

Aus 1.5
England 3.0
Draw 1000

Aus chances of winning have increased massively but which position would they prefer to be in?
By:
Libertine93
When: 07 Sep 19 15:46
England foot will go off the pedal once broad and archers spells finish
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Sep 19 15:47
that's a different argument though T3 & well-made

chances of winning the match & chances of winning the series
they're not aligned in this game
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 07 Sep 19 15:49
I think Aus chances of winning increase if they are bowled out cheaply. I don't expect much from England batting last.
By:
Libertine93
When: 07 Sep 19 15:50
Root needs to get Leach on and rotate at the other end. If he goes Stokes and Overton its advantage Australia
By:
Hamlin
When: 07 Sep 19 15:50
lol wonders sucking up real bad there. Looking for brownie points.
By:
Hamlin
When: 07 Sep 19 15:51
I get what your saying Tom, but I don't think those odds are accurate, and I think Aus are scared of a repeat. Eng bowl Aus out and set a target of 300 then Eng win/draw is odds on. No early wickets for Aus means defensive bowling.
By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Sep 19 15:52

Sep 7, 2019 -- 3:45PM, tomtimtum wrote:


Imagine Aus batted out today, took England win out of the equation and declared tomorrowOdds were;Aus  2.0Draw 2.0 England 1000Now imagine they're bowled out for another 60 runs and take draw out of the equationAus 1.5England 3.0Draw 1000Aus chances of winning have increased massively but which position would they prefer to be in?


clearly scenario 1 is better for aus & imo eng should have a long think about which is best for them
based on the fact they'll be about 6/4 @ the oval if 1-1, their series win odds are extremely close together from scenario 1&2!!

By:
mafeking
When: 07 Sep 19 15:52
surely even root isn't daft enough not to go to leach. at very least he should be able to dry up runs and prolong the declaration

lot of pressure on lyon tomorrow. bowled poorly and hardly got a wicket since edgbaston
By:
gibmark
When: 07 Sep 19 15:53

Sep 7, 2019 -- 3:45PM, tomtimtum wrote:


Imagine Aus batted out today, took England win out of the equation and declared tomorrowOdds were;Aus  2.0Draw 2.0 England 1000Now imagine they're bowled out for another 60 runs and take draw out of the equationAus 1.5England 3.0Draw 1000Aus chances of winning have increased massively but which position would they prefer to be in?


explains it perfectly , thank you

By:
tomtimtum
When: 07 Sep 19 15:54

Sep 7, 2019 -- 3:51PM, Hamlin wrote:


I get what your saying Tom, but I don't think those odds are accurate, and I think Aus are scared of a repeat. Eng bowl Aus out and set a target of 300 then Eng win/draw is odds on. No early wickets for Aus means defensive bowling.


The odds prob aren't accurate, was just using them as a demonstration.
Losing wickets isnt good for Australia but it does increase their chance of winning.
That increased chance of winning comes at an increased chance of losing however.

And for England, that small increased chance of winning comes at a much higher chance of losing

By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Sep 19 15:54
*in fact mathematically its close for aus also Grin
the nuiances of the game
By:
Libertine93
When: 07 Sep 19 15:54
Whisper I disagree, I think you just mean chances of draw decrease with each wicket. The best case scenario for Aussies is they get to 330 lead without losing any more wickets then just hit out. More runs to play with means they can set more aggressive fields. I agree England can’t chase 300+ (I wouldn’t trust to chase 200). But Aussies will feel the pressure too if they game is theoretically in the balance
By:
GRANTCKING
When: 07 Sep 19 15:54
Grin what have I missed?
By:
elisjohn
When: 07 Sep 19 15:55
whispering, vic had to explain to alison few mins back what you said about aus chances of winning increased Cry she didnt understand
By:
Hamlin
When: 07 Sep 19 15:55
If Aus get close to being bowled out for a mere 60 more runs they will prolong the game. Brings the drawn down. Why do you think Eng are risking the higher chance of losing instead of getting the draw then? That doesn't make sense? Wickets slow the run rate... doesn't mean you have to bowl them out today.
By:
Hamlin
When: 07 Sep 19 15:56

Sep 7, 2019 -- 3:54PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


what have I missed?


wonders "blocked" lol, he seems very upset. toms trying to educate me on why Aussie losing wickets is a good thing for them. And Ayt popped in with a new name

By:
tomtimtum
When: 07 Sep 19 15:57

Sep 7, 2019 -- 3:56PM, Hamlin wrote:


Sep  7, 2019 --  3:54PM, GRANTCKING wrote: what have I missed?wonders "blocked" lol, he seems very upset. toms trying to educate me on why Aussie losing wickets is a good thing for them. And Ayt popped in with a new name


LaughLaugh its not a good thing for them!!
It does however increase their chances of winning

By:
wondersobright
When: 07 Sep 19 15:57

Sep 7, 2019 -- 3:54PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


what have I missed?


all sorts cooper

By:
Charlie
When: 07 Sep 19 15:59
Just laid England at 12 because I don't think they win they game no matter what but must admit I don't think it was a good bet now its done.
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