ebul there is knowledge , and there is understanding

Don’t confuse one with the other

the lack of it

ebul I can take a detached view , i no longer consider myself to be British , I’ve resigned
pecker and pl and kinsmen etc are only able to see things from one side
And they don’t even understand that , they have been brought up with certain beliefs , not based in any reality , that’s how it is

Well you are entitled to believe what you want lfc1971

I have experienced the feeling out there....so I believe the History

They haven’t even got a clue what’s in the good Friday agreement

We are trying to avoid this and meet EU demands..if we can..or just leave with no deal

The problem is that the ROI have thus far declined to get involved in prolonged talks to try and find a solution.
Ireland had a team of tax and customs officials looking into the prospect of  a technilogical solution.
Varadkar took over in June 2017 and put a stop to the research.

I would have thought the UK leaving the EU would have a beneficial economic effect on the ROI myself?

Still I am not an ecomomist

could be

Mammy

*Oliver Cromwell paid us a visit in 1649, leaving in 1650
sorry

Cromwell’s words on parliament :

‘ in the name of god go !  It is high time for me to put an end to you sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue

You see that shows the extent of the twisted bigotry of some people , Britain fought against the evil that was Hitler’s Nazi Germany and stood alone for over a year in that sacred mission and kincsem comes out with that

That shows the level of his intelligence and the depth of his bigotry

So we invaded Poland kincsem?

But you can travel freely to Greece to appreciate their unemployment.

The start of the war in Europe is generally held to be 1 September 1939, beginning with the German invasion of Poland; the United Kingdom and France declared war on Germany two days later.  Wiki

You will notice that the United Kingdom elected to go to war.


lfc1971
That shows the level of his intelligence and the depth of his bigotry

I live in one of the countries that England "assisted" over many centuries.

Now if you think standing back with your arms folded while Britain had to fight against the most ruthless and evil regime that was Hitler’s Germany is anything to be proud of that’s a matter for you , but I insist on being unimpressed by that as well , sorry

And we did not kill Franz Ferdinand?

So you think Southern Ireland should have declared war on Germany.

What about all the other countries in this World who also did not declare war on Hitler?

This included your beloved USA, they declared war on Japan only after Pearl Harbour was attacked, quite understandable.

But Hitler declared war on the USA, they did not declare war on him.

Going back to the OP. It has of course helped both countries since the Famine. I have no longer surprised with the amount of people I meet across the UK who have the one Irish grandparent, or two. Post WW2 immigration when Ireland was on its knees economically, the UK cities took in many thousands of Ireland's rural populution. 'We built the roads and gave you nurses'.

WW2. While the average Irish person supported the allies, Official Ireland, in the guise of its government, DeValera, felt conflicted. 1939 was only 17 years after independence and all the issues that came with that. It was a wrong call. Even more so after Pearl Harbour.

The first 40 years of the Irish Free State were a disaster for the fledgling country. The CTA was a godsend. I have to agree with lfc1971 - a pretend independence. A country that could not survive without the UK. At the same time, various UK governments turning a blind eye to the Northern Ireland entity, allowing a protestant and unionist elite to wage an economic and social war over the nationalist and catholic minority. It took 40 years but the age of enlightment across the globe, the 1960s, gave the civil rights activists confidence which was quickly quelled and with brute force, and we know what thad led to.

Ireland had to join the then EEC in the 1970s because the UK did, given their links. Those links have reduced somewhat over the last 40 years, but not enough. The talk of an Irish recesssion due to Brexit is because of those continuing links. Ireland still enjoys an anglo american culture, with an Irish twist. The CTA is still there. I think Varadkar and Coveney should have positioned themsleves somewhere in the middle between the UK and EU, a common sense role sitting between the two. Some UK commentators see this as an historic anti Brit thing, and I have read in the UK press, this is to appease Sinn Fein. That I'm afraid brings up the UK ignorance of Irish affairs in some quarters. It would be as bonkers as the Tories linking up with Momentum.

One thing I have noticed in recent decades. In the UK, media comment on the EU has been largely negative and certainly critical. In Ireland it has sometimes been mildly critical but largely very posiitve. I think the reality lies somewhere between the two strands.