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The test shows that people can lower their risk of getting the disease through changes in lifestyle.
Which is the purpose of the test, and went straight over STUDTFORM's head as usual. |
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Shirley there must be some way to sugar the pill?
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If they really wanted to decrease type 2 they'd give out advice on how to keep your insulin levels lower for longer that's factually the only way you can begin to reverse the condition,mainstream smokescreens and mass prescription peddling do nothing to treat the cause that is something nobody can get away from.
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Yes Denzil, the best advice we ever get from our GPs is to lose weight if we're overweight and take some exercise.
Which is all they been taught to tell us. Unfortunately the medication they put diabetics on makes them hungry all the time, so they're more likely to gain weight. In that test what's interesting is if you're not white - ''Other ethnic group score 6'' Could that confirm what the diet doctors say, that when non whites adopt a western type diet full of animal products, they're more susceptible to diabetes? As was pointed out by Bongo, with the numbers of ethnics imported in recent years it's no wonder the cases of diabetes has risen. |
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Dr Crippen Could that confirm what the diet doctors say, that when non whites adopt a western type diet full of animal products, they're more susceptible to diabetes?
As was pointed out by Bongo, with the numbers of ethnics imported in recent years it's no wonder the cases of diabetes has risen. Yes which is very hard to gauge so they automatically make it about genes whilst paying no attention to what the human race has done for 1000s of years with virtually no sign of the disease and no change to human DNA,yet they say it's the genes is everybody really that thick? |
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is everybody really that thick?
I know one who is. |
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Dr C I am thankful for all the help I have received on the thread so far, but I think your references to Studyform are unnecessary and don't reflect well on you.
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G Hall have a look at this when you get a chance, its a Tedtalk about a low carb diet and type 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1vvigy5tQ |
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but I think your references to Studyform are unnecessary and don't reflect well on you.
And his references to me? |
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don't reflect well on you.
I couldn't care less actually G Hall. You can also take my advice or leave it as well. I couldn't care less about that either. |
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I value your advice and the advice of others as well Dr, I just want to try and get my health back on track,because to be honest I feel like carp a lot of the time. If studyforms references to you are the same, then I would suggest the same to him,there is no need for hostility just because opinions differ.
I got blood sugar reading at 6.0 two hours after dinner this evening my best yet,but I feel hungry all the fecking time. I watched Jason fung video thought it was very good but he didn't address some issues that would interest me. Jayco I will check that out thanks. |
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I've watched most of these low carb/high fat doctors.
Especially Professor Tim Noakes, he's a bit easier to listen to than Sarah Hallberg. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL5-9ZxamXc |
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What is your opinion of them doc, I'll watch him later thanks for the link.
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G Hall.
After trying both diets and taking blood glucose readings, I come down strongly on the side of high carb low fat. |
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Low carbs for me
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What's astonishing is that both camps provide compelling arguments for each of the diets they promote, and equally convincing data to back their arguments up as well.
The only way to be sure which is best, is to try each diet in turn for yourself over a period of weeks, and take blood sugar readings along the way. |
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Cheers guys the help has been great, I have to get this controlled and try and find a way to come off medication that's my goal.
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Crippen, At NO TIME did I say ALL diabetes is hereditary.
Show me where I did. At NO TIME did I say I suffer from hypertension. Show me where I did. Then try admitting you're wrong. Which you are, of course. You are merely a gullible conspiracy theorist. You have no qualifications, no experience in anything much, and hugely limited knowledge. |
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No goalposts have been moved, nothing I've said has changed - you are just making stuff up.
I am seriously looking forward to your response. |
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Maybe you could try reporting the posts or thread instead, crippen, pretend you don't make yourself look silly because they'll be gone.
If these posts should disappear, I will be reminding you that you're making stuff up about me. |
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STUDYFORM • November 18, 2018 11:09 PM GMT
Crippen, At NO TIME did I say ALL diabetes is hereditary. Show me where I did. At NO TIME did I say I suffer from hypertension. Show me where I did. Then try admitting you're wrong. Which you are, of course. You are merely a gullible conspiracy theorist. You have no qualifications, no experience in anything much, and hugely limited knowledge. STUDYFORM • October 12, 2018 10:10 PM BST I'm diabetic, and work in a business where I hear about it all the time. It used to be called "late onset diabetes" and has always been common. Much of the reason so many people have it now is because they never looked so hard for it before, except a wee on a stick, which was not always accurate. It is also hereditary. |
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It IS hereditary. But not solely.
Obviously. |
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STUDY it can't be hereditary due to the human history of those being affected most (seemingly) now.
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What is this, a F*cking Trial???
GENETICS plays a major part in MANY MANY diseases. Diabetes is one of them. This doesn't mean all diabetes victims got the condition from their parents. BUT IF THEIR PARENTS HAD IT THEY WILL BE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO GET IT...... THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF IT BEING HEREDITARY |
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The likelihood of developing type 2 diabetes is also influenced by genetics and environmental factors. For example, research shows that:
If either parent has type 2 diabetes, the risk of inheritance of type 2 diabetes is 15% If both parents have type 2 diabetes, the risk of inheritance is 75% Diabetes.co.uk |
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Exactly Diabetes.co.uk they haven't quite got a handle on the scenario.
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They don't know the basics of how to reverse the condition which will send sufferers round in circles relying on mostly irrelevant blood glucose readings and never in a state of low insulin which is FACTUALLY the only way the human body can burn fat.
The inheritance line is being ridiculously overplayed mainly due to the catalyst which is the explosion of people from a non Western lifestyle now having a Western lifestyle,heredity is a far smaller factor than they'll have us believe. |
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Bowel cancer, Breast Cancer, cystic fibrosis.
All of these can be genetic, but this doesn't mean other people can't get it too. This is basic stuff. I gave you the credit for being a lot less stupid than crippen (not hard I know), Denzil. But your steadfast belief that the only "experts" in the world who "tell it like it is" are some self-promoting, internet con-men (however well qualified they may claim to, or actually, be, "know the answer" to one of the most prevalent diseases in the world and the rest of the world's medical profession don't "know it", or are keeping it like it is because it suits them and the pharmaceutical companies, is frankly bloody stupid. The very people you are getting your information from are the ones who are profiting, and it's just another load of conspiracy theory stuff on the internet. I notice you both ignored the other links to the same that I posted at 4.13pm. It's the way of conspiracy theorists. It was the same on the man never went to the moon thread. Finally - I keep telling you. YOU KEEP DESCRIBING PRE-DIABETES. Which is far easier to reverse. Full blown diabetes is not an excess of insulin, it's where the pancreas starts to struggle to produce enough insulin. PEOPLE NEED INSULIN OR THEY DIE. |
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Actually I got one thing wrong there. Cystic fibrosis is entirely genetic.
The point is still valid about hereditary diabetes though. |
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Obviously people who can't produce insulin are type 1 and this can't be reversed,with people that are type 2 insulin resistant it's not that they don't produce enough insulin it's quite the opposite they need to lose weight and fat to improve their condition and this can ONLY be done by lowering insulin there is no other humanly possible process.
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The worst thing about this illness is when researching factors to increase mortality I found out that high insulin is a factor in all death causing diseases and illnesses so everyone should be trying to keep their insulin lower which means eating for less time everyday as a start,progress will be made when the insulin index is brought to prominence but when that'll be is anyone's guess.
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high insulin is a factor in all death causing diseases and illnesses
That's correct Denzil which is why losing weight is so beneficial and crucial for diabetics. The less you eat the less insulin you need. This fasting business is extremely beneficial, yet people think that missing meals is bad for us when the opposite is the case in a healthy person. |
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What's astonishing is that both camps provide compelling arguments for each of the diets they promote, and equally convincing data to back their arguments up as well.
This must be extremely confusing for people. It just goes to show how easy it is to produce figures to prove any case you like, which is why we should always find out who funds the study quoted. We usually find the animal food industry is behind any data that supports eating high fat. And they're usually behind studies that set out to debunk vegan diets, and in both cases for vested interests. |
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One of the Dr Barnard videos showed exactly that,I also think it was one of his where the macronutrients for fattening the lab rats fastest was shown which mimicked our Western guidelines but if it's official people believe the usual well worn trodden out mainstream mantras.
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Dr Fung points out the reasons why various societies and their different ways succeed and doesn't put people off living a particular way if it's healthy,he heavily favours fasting and low carb for the reversal of type 2 but as he explains it's about keeping the insulin low which is possible as we've experienced on high carb.
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In my case I wasn't overweight 13-8 and 5 foot 11, now about 12-7. Nobody seems to mention about people like me who are not 4 stone overweight.
I am told the pancreas is not producing enough insulin,yet Dr fung says it is about keeping insulin levels low, rather than high. |
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STUDYFORM • November 18, 2018 11:09 PM GMT
Crippen, At NO TIME did I say ALL diabetes is hereditary. Show me where I did. At NO TIME did I say I suffer from hypertension. Show me where I did. Then try admitting you're wrong. Which you are, of course. You are merely a gullible conspiracy theorist. You have no qualifications, no experience in anything much, and hugely limited knowledge. |
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Fasting is a big part of Dr Fung's method which allows the body to use body fat for energy.
The above is part of the reason that starch,plant,wholefoods works quickly because your body quickly uses the fat from where you don't need it as you aren't ingesting dietary fat through meat,dairy,eggs,oils etc. Both methods though from the outside look vastly different work in reducing insulin resistance which is your illness,not enough insulin is wrong there is always enough insulin present unless you have type 1 which is a different kettle of fish altogether. |
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G Hall None of the advice on this video has anything to do with type 1 diabetes if that turns out to be your illness,if it isn't giving you extra insulin ONLY lowers blood sugar and doesn't cure the insulin resistance which is the illness.
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