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Diabetes prescriptions now cost NHS £1bn, figures show
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G Hall I have experimented with several ways of eating and at various stages of health good and bad.
Using Keto with fasting is a fast way to start using fats as energy by keeping your insulin low enough for long enough for your body to switch fuels once the glycogen has been depleted from your liver,sounds simple here's the problem. As you are diabetic your fasting insulin may well be too high to switch to fat burning mode which causes lots of problems especially with correct electrolyte supplementation. From personal experience I found the starch/plant based diet by basically just dropping all meat,dairy,eggs and fats/oil a really fast way to initially lose fat/weight,which in turn improves your insulin sensitivity without too much worry about metabolic issues which you will encounter doing Keto from scratch when ill. I did a 64 hour earlier this week and have continued on a healthy Keto diet as I know I'm in ketosis and losing fat but I believe it's only been successful and possible after my weight loss and health improvement from a starch/plant based diet over a number of months. I can't put you off too much as it's been proven to work mainly due to the fasting side which keeps your insulin as low as possible for as long as possible which if you've watched the Dr Fung videos will know is the real problem. |
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64 hour fast*
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Reading my post back I would advise just cutting out meat,dairy,eggs,fat/oils have feeding windows of about 8 hours per day to start down to about 4 when you get used to it,this will give you rapid weight loss and lots of time lowering your insulin and it's a diet that you won't fail on because of satiety and results.
Only when your weight plateaus start going into healthy keto it may happen faster than you think and alot faster than me I've been learning and experinmenting as I go. |
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Another thing about cutting fats etc. to starch/plant/wholefoods you won't need to count calories or starve yourself to lose weight,I went through a spell losing weight on around 3000 calories per day but couldn't keep it up was too full.
Dropping to 800 calories like in the Mosely diet isn't a good idea as you'll learn from Dr Fung your metabolic rate drops too unless you are fasting heavily which will catch you over time. |
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Thanks denzil that is a great help, I am back to the GP next Thursday and am thinking of coming off the metformin as it has side effects. I have cut out an awful lot of sugar and have done a bit of intermittent fasting my blood sugar has come down from 21 to 7.5 in ten days,so I am going the right way.
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G Hall just keep an eye on the carbs too
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Excellent if you can handle the fasting and get your base insulin levels down you'll be flying.
I had problems with the fasting and keto when I was too unhealthy,my heart rate was off the map and I couldn't sleep for days too much on edge probably a symptom of poor metabolic health. |
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Amazing isn't it. YOUR "highly qualified medical doctors" (who tell you all about themselves) online and have secret solutions only THEY know about and the rest of the world's highly qualified medical doctors are in league with the Pharma companies to keep everyone sick or to rip everyone off.
STUDY where have you been there's nothing secret most of these quacks have millions of followers and their videos 100,000s and 1000,000s of hits it's all there for you and doesn't cost a penny it's a win win,surely they can't all be making it up. |
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They must be a very close knit imaginative bunch because those published scientific studies quoted from each qualified doctor would take some making up even Dr C would struggle.
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Denzil. I have said all along, that diet is in fact important, so is the potential to reduce or reverse diabetes and especially pre-diabetes.
You don't need to be a McDougall for that! BUT NOT FOR ALL DIABETICS. In fact not even for MOST. You can find anything you want online. And although you keep dismissing it (as I say, it's part of the mantra), I prefer to seek the well researched, well practised, well-qualified advice of those who are already available to us and who see thousands of people with the condition, and even more - are NOT out to harm us. I will not accept that your self-acclaimed heroes know better, nor will I (after having read some of it) trust them ahead of the experts I already seek advice from. |
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STUDY I accept your position and know you'll always stick by it but have you never investigated the advice and treatment you've received further?
I've investigated mainstream advice and seen scientific data which shows that taking drugs for insulin resistance only cuts sugar in the blood but doesn't reduce insulin resistance over time which is the issue. Meaning insulin is the problem not the blood sugar if you are told otherwise it will be worth your while researching it properly for yourself as it impossible to make any progress whilst your basal insulin is high,this is kept high from medication thus never getting the chance to reduce ergo never helping the root cause. |
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Basically the meds treat the symptoms (blood sugar) not the cause (too much insulin) which is why too much fat is stored in the first place and the body never ever moves out of storing mode which means it's impossible to burn fat which means it's impossible to reduce insulin resistance.
If you haven't been told that or pretty much that you've been seeing the quacks. |
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As far as I am aware, denzil, and after this post I'm going to sleep.
The cause is too little insulin (produced by the pancreas), not too much. |
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Oh, and also as far as I am aware, meds vary. Some get the pancreas to produce extra insulin.
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That's the issue the insulin levels are too high all the time.
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End of the first line should've been *that they have too much base insulin in the first place which has made them overweight and filled he fat cells making them insulin resistant*
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You can't argue with STUDYFORM, because he simply doesn't know enough about the physiology involved in order to construct an argument
He's the loudmouth at the back of the room, shouting rubbish to everything he can't get his head around, because that's all he's got. |
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Blood sugar reading before breakfast 6.7
  breakfast comprised of two shredded wheat and milk, blood sugar reading two hours after 13.5  |
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I can see you becoming a Guinea Pig for this thread...your life in their hands
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PRE-DIABETES (ie that not usually spotted yet) is more easily reversible and to look after.
DIABETES the pancreas starts to struggle to wear out and not produce enough insulin. THIS IS FACT - WHICH IS WHY DIABETICS (NOT PRE-DIABETICS) WITH POOR CONTROL AND TYPE 1 SUFFERERS NEED TO INJECT INSULIN THIS IS ALL FACT. MOST DIABETICS DO NOT HAVE TO INJECT INSULIN, BUT THEY DO NEED TO TAKE TABLETS TO MAKE THE PANCREAS WORK MORE EFFICIENTLY. CRIPPEN I SERIOUSLY DOUBT YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT ANYTHING THAN ANYONE. THIS THREAD IS JUST LIKE THE 'DID MAN GO TO THE MOON?' THREAD. AND I'M GETTING NOWHERE. G.HALL, JUST SEE YOUR GP, MATE. DON'T TAKE ADVICE FROM THIS THREAD. |
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This is how Dr McDougall gets in house diabetic patients who are taking metformin and insulin onto his diet.
Diabetics need to watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgE2IdL6tMw |
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Just look at that mess from STUDYFORM - lol.
He's stark raving mad. |
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G Hall it's fairly normal that you would get those sort of blood sugar rises after eating it is how we are made to function,keep on with your intermittent fasting and overall you'll lose weight and have lower insulin rates and you'll handle the natural raises in blood sugar after eating better.
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lol....
Preaching the charlatan McDougall again, the doctor among ten of thousands of doctors who knows more than them all. You, possibly the most complete idiot on the forum, calling me mad is both a relief and a comfort, it'd be more worrying if you thought I was as right/normal(?) as you. |
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^^Off his rocker.
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It's understandable that simple souls like STUDFORM can't understand why these doctors get results that GPs find impossible.
It's not that GPs don't want to cure their patients, it's simply that they're not taught how to. They've only been taught how to treat patients using drugs, which is why patients nearly always come away with a prescription. |
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Find out your risk of diabetes here:
https://riskscore.diabetes.org.uk/start |
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Old one 23 moderate (far end) new one 13 increased low end weight difference almost 4 stone the quacks have served me well.
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When I answered no to the blood pressure question answer was 8,took blood pressure medications for a month along with temazepam when I was 19/20 to treat insomnia and in hindsight that'd be the reason my BP was high at the time you live and learn.
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I just clicked on that link, and answered the questions accurately.
My score? 9 and 5 of that was because of my age - so quite what we can do about that I'm not sure. 1 in 10 people with your risk will get Type 2 diabetes in the next 10 years. So, whilst it's a reasonable guide, it isn't entirely accurate. On the basis that I have diabetes! There has been loads of stuff on the news and in the press for a while now about preventing diabetes. What is only a subtext is that for at least half of all people with diabetes - it couldn't have been stopped and it can't be reversed. All these great diet and exercise ideas are OK. But only for pre-diabetics. It's an incurable disease. IT'S AN INCURABLE DISEASE for at least half of those who have it. And every time, crippen, you bump the thread up and try persuading people "GP's are simply not taught how to treat their patients effectively", and that prescription drugs are in some way evil and it's all these stupid GPs (presumably you think and Diabetes experts AND endocrinologists, don't know anything either?), because a few online American booksellers told you so with blinding accuracy, I will correct you. Then you can ignore it, say I'm mad and do it all over again the next day. Just to show you - again, this was what was written on my "score" page You can't change your age or your genes. But if your risk is partly due to your lifestyle, a few small changes can make a big difference. |
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It is NOT genetic if it was all the Asians that've lived on rice for donkeys' years would've had diabetes and the ones who have it now living a Western lifestyle wouldn't.
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It's completely reversible,incurable is a term that toys with the truth and sense predicated by subsequent behaviour.
If you got a heroin addict off drugs and out of withdrawal you can reverse their condition and if they stay off the drugs they'd be cured. |
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That test is based on eating a balanced diet, our risk can be reduced much further on a starch based free fat diet if the claims of the SBD doctors are true.
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bongo 09 Nov 18 22:29 Joined: 12 May 01 | Topic/replies: 6,008 | Blogger: bongo's blog
Big differences in diabetes prevalence between Anglo-Saxon types, for want of a better phrase, and our former colonial cousins: . https://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2012/Sep/type-2-diabetes-risk-much-higher-for-brits-of-south-asian-and-african-descent-92828151.html It's so bad that the upper limit of the 'normal' BMI range has been lowered from 25 to 23 for them . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23143010 Remind me again - which subset of the Great British population is growing in numbers? Oh, we don't talk about that, let's chuck away any forensic examination of population characteristics and just blame everybody. That would tie in with lack of vitamin D causing problems with glucose metabolism and insulin secretion. The fact that it's dark skin which is the common factor would suggest that it's the problems dark-skinned people face in creating vitamin D from sunlight at UK latitudes which is causing such a spike in diabetes 2 cases among this population. Much more likely than any common factor to do with diet imo. After all, Afro-Caribbeans and South Asians are ethnically distinct people descended from populations and lifestyles which arose thousands of miles apart. In summary, our study extends previous findings that a high vitamin D status protects against type 2 diabetes in younger subjects to subjects older than 70 years. http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/34/6/1284 It also MIGHT be a factor in why excess weight sometimes contributes to the disease. If you're overweight, you might not be walking much (or at all), hence you don't get out in the sun enough. I'm just guessing here. |
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Type 2 diabetes is caused by both genetic and environmental factors. Scientists have linked several gene mutations to a higher diabetes risk. ... But many people with diabetes do have one or more of these mutations. It can be difficult to separate genetic risk from environmental risk.21 Nov 2016
Genetics of Type 2 Diabetes - Healthline Is type 2 diabetes genetic? ANSWER Type 2 diabetes is believed to have a strong genetic link, meaning that it tends to run in families. Several genes are being studied that may be related to the cause of type 2 diabetes. But lifestyle factors also matter. WebMD Genetics Play a Role in Type 2 Diabetes Type 2 diabetes can be hereditary. That doesn’t mean that if your mother or father has (or had) type 2 diabetes, you’re guaranteed to develop it; instead, it means that you have a greater chance of developing type 2. Researchers know that you can inherit a risk for type 2 diabetes, but it’s difficult to pinpoint which genes carry the risk. The medical community is hard at work trying to figure out the certain genetic mutations that lead to a risk of type 2. endocrineweb.com Thirty-eight genetic variants associated with type 2 diabetes have now been confirmed. ... A number of non-genetic factors have been associated with the risk of type 2 diabetes, including being overweight or obese.28 Jun 2010 More type 2 diabetes genes found - NHS https://www.nhs.uk/news/diabetes/more-type-2-diabetes-genes-found/ At this time there is no known cure for Type 1 diabetes or Type 2 diabetes. However, we are funding pioneering, life-changing research into care, treatment and prevention, and working to find a cure for all types of diabetes. DiabetesUK The likelihood of developing type 2 diabetes is also influenced by genetics and environmental factors. For example, research shows that: If either parent has type 2 diabetes, the risk of inheritance of type 2 diabetes is 15% If both parents have type 2 diabetes, the risk of inheritance is 75% Diabetes.co.uk https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2017/may/type-2-diabetes-genetic-mapping-identifies-new-loci CONTRAST: This sort of thing. Which I'm sure you are referring to, Denzil. It's fully funded by the people too!! https://www.dietdoctor.com/type-2-diabetes-is-a-fully-curable-disease |
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Unbelievable that someone suffering from diabetes would take a test to see their risk of getting it.
Pity STUDYFORM couldn't have taken the test before he got it when the test would have had some relevance. Of course this does serve to show how his addled brain works. I thought STUDYFORM told us he suffered from hypertension? That would add another 5 points to his score so I don't believe he's being honest with us. Although it doesn't matter. |
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STUDY If they are non sponsored/funded studies I'm always happy to take it in,the factors I talk about are being ignored somewhat and are difficult to quantify.
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Type 2 diabetes can be hereditary
Which is a long way from your claim earlier that all diabetes is hereditary. See how STUDYFORM keeps moving the goalposts, as he reads up and then corrects stuff he got wrong on this subject, that he's been bragging he knows so much about. |