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By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 19 Nov 18 10:21
*on this thread*
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 19 Nov 18 10:34
G Hall. You are absolutely correct. Just ask your GP. If still unsure, ask for a referral to an endocrinologist.
If you get short of insulin, you need insulin.

What you're reading about on this thread is a form of conspiracy theory get-together.
The various "Doctors" being paraded are charlatans, either using the internet to sell themselves and their products, or to gain a following.
Like so many con-artists on the internet.
Particularly this Dr McDougall - all of whose stuff about him; youtube films, reviews,what look like official studies and medical papers ARE BY HIM, HIMSELF.
He quotes the names of other, real experts, and makes like they've in some way endorsed his BS.

Unfortunately, 2 people are preaching their flim-flammery on here like some sort of gospel.
They have been told to believe that Medicine as we believe it is wrong and the whole medical profession is about money for Pharmaceutical companies, therefore this becomes part of the mantra and that all the 10's of 1000's of Doctors, endocrinologists and specialists are wrong and don't know as much, or have ignored, these few online evangelists.
They are good at brain-washing.
Ask yourself. If this stuff is so great, why aren't all doctors using it?

Crippen's stupid answer... They're not properly trained.
Denzil is making the mistake of thinking all (type 2) diabetics are the same, and is obsessed with diet.

Some of the advice is actually dangerous for poorly controlled diabetes. (poorly controlled isn't an insult, btw, it refers to the body's control, not personal care).

The figures for determining if people are diabetic or pre-diabetic (the only people denzil's stuff might be better for) are in part greater because the NHS/NICE revised the table as part of a prevention drive.

Don't take any notice of the internet stuff until you've sought proper medical advice.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING TO ANY CONCERNED PEOPLE READING THIS THREAD.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 19 Nov 18 10:38
STUDY this isn't a competition and I'm not sure why you keep referencing McDougall my input is from various sources and comes from personal experience,G Hall is genuinely looking for help and is not after a life on medications which is fine for you but most are not happy with that.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 19 Nov 18 10:47
It surely, denzil, can only come from personal experience if you're diabetic.
Not having diabetes because of the diet is, as I said in the earlier thread, like sprinkling some salt on your doormat to keep the Elephants off.

Medical help, despite what you've been told does NOT automatically mean a "life on meds". There is a load of advice from the NHS and GPs etc about diet and controlling diabetes. Giving medication is NOT the only thing the medical profession does. In fact medication is given out, only when necessary.
What you are failing to recognise is how far along the disease is in people.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 19 Nov 18 10:50
Can't really answer that because I've made sure that I've never been diagnosed with type 2 the illnesses and symptoms attached along with many other things on the other hand I have experienced over many yaers and rectified without medication.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 19 Nov 18 10:52
years*
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 19 Nov 18 11:01
It's like saying you made sure you never wore your socks out, by wearing shoes!

You might never have become diabetic anyway. Even with a terrible diet and lifestyle.
Most people don't!

Of course you should look after yourself, diet and exercise apparently help the most.
It's what the medical profession says about nearly everything.

But, you can't beat your genes.

Just to let you know. I have never had ANY symptoms whatsoever with my diabetes.
I was tested for it several times, for other reasons, and all results came back negative.
Then one day, about 10 years ago, I was diabetic. Found on 2 glucose tolerance tests, then on blood tests.
Type 2, not type 1.
I was NOT given medication, until the blood test results were deteriorating. and that took a few years.

The advice is always diet and exercise. Not, "here you are, eat tablets". Diabetics get to see dieticians, they are regularly tested and ALWAYS advised to keep their weight down.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 19 Nov 18 11:20
You might never have become diabetic anyway. Even with a terrible diet and lifestyle.
Most people don't!


How do you know I'm not and only in better health due to my diet and lifestyle?
Weight is a risk factor as we know,there was a good article about a guy who was 10 1/2 stone who was insulin resistant and 30 stone people who aren't,the number of adipocytes can determine this to a large degree which admittedly is a genetic factor but is still controlled ny lifestyle.
NHS dieticians are limited in their knowledge of diet and exercise,I've heard completely wrong advice given directly from GP's and dieticians which is dangerous,excessive exercise being the main one without any knowledge of the subsequent metabolic affects. 
Also many are wrongly on medications that do nothing to treat the cause which is insulin resistance,reducing glucose in the blood temporarily has little to do with helping the disease (insulin resistance).
By:
Coachbuster
When: 19 Nov 18 16:15

Nov 19, 2018 -- 11:20AM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:


You might never have become diabetic anyway. Even with a terrible diet and lifestyle.Most people don't!How do you know I'm not and only in better health due to my diet and lifestyle?Weight is a risk factor as we know,there was a good article about a guy who was 10 1/2 stone who was insulin resistant and 30 stone people who aren't,the number of adipocytes can determine this to a large degree which admittedly is a genetic factor but is still controlled ny lifestyle. NHS dieticians are limited in their knowledge of diet and exercise,I've heard completely wrong advice given directly from GP's and dieticians which is dangerous,excessive exercise being the main one without any knowledge of the subsequent metabolic affects.  Also many are wrongly on medications that do nothing to treat the cause which is insulin resistance,reducing glucose in the blood temporarily has little to do with helping the disease (insulin resistance).


I would NEVER ever take advice from a GP . Most of them are a danger to public health . Many are ***** clueless . 

  I  had to  haul myself up to the hospital on the last 2 occassaions more or less knowing what the problem was after researching via the internet  , but the doctor was happy to send me away totally ignoring my  findings  (seemingly wasting their time)

By:
Coachbuster
When: 19 Nov 18 16:17
genetics are a huge lottery Denzil but living well as you do, puts the odds in your favour
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Nov 18 16:39
I heard this explanation from a doctor concerning genetics, which adds to your idea Coachbuster.

He said many people are born with a gene for this or that disease.
Which doesn't mean they'll automatically develop the disease.
The gene has to be awakened, and he says it's the appalling western diet that's the culprit in most cases.
That's his theory.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Nov 18 16:49
Here's a good video with regard to the extreme diets talked about here.

Atkins vs. China Study diet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIwEmgV8Wdg

Two speakers one from each camp.

Start it at 6:50

Good stuff if you're interested.
By:
Coachbuster
When: 19 Nov 18 16:50
diet certainly plays it's part for sure as a kinda  preventative  medicine ... but there are so many weird diseases  .... how would you explain auto immune disorders ?   ...what causes them for example ?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Nov 18 17:00
They suggest auto immune disorders are when the body mistakes something harmless in our bodies for something alien.

As in the case of arthritis, which many people claim to have cured themselves through a restricted diet.
Trouble is, few people are prepared to give it a go.

They nearly all put their faith in GPs, who are elevated to the status of Gods in the eyes of most people.
When in the case of treating most complaints, they're little more than drug peddlers.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Nov 18 17:08
They suggest auto immune disorders are when the body mistakes something harmless in our bodies for something alien.

I should have added that the mistaken item is attacked by the body's immune system which causes the problems.
Also ''Inflammatory Arthritis''
By:
Coachbuster
When: 19 Nov 18 17:31
there is even a certain gene for RA too ... inflamation  is a fooker when that gets hold  ...i have been reading about diet regarding that subject and there seems to be a link with low omega 3 ...how much of a link i don't know  but it just notes the  terrible omega 6/3 ratio in western diets
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 19 Nov 18 17:40
3rd time....

STUDYFORM  • November 19, 2018 10:11 AM GMT 
STUDYFORM  • November 18, 2018 11:09 PM GMT 
Crippen, At NO TIME did I say ALL diabetes is hereditary.
Show me where I did.

At NO TIME did I say I suffer from hypertension.
Show me where I did.

Then try admitting you're wrong. Which you are, of course.

You are merely a gullible conspiracy theorist. You have no qualifications, no experience in anything much, and hugely limited knowledge.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Nov 18 17:53
Oh go away.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 19 Nov 18 17:58
crippen bitten off more than he can chew
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 19 Nov 18 18:03
Yep.

Does what he always does.
Makes stuff up, never admits when he's wrong.

Which crippen, as I keep telling you, is about 95% of the time.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Nov 18 18:08
Looks like I've hooked another tiddler to put in my net with STUDYFORM.

Is that it s_h, or is there more to come?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Nov 18 18:09
Don't mention race while s_h is about. He'll throw a tantrum.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Nov 18 18:12
STUDYFORM is perpetually irritated.

So it goes without saying that he'll be blowing his top at some point.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 19 Nov 18 18:14
you're not fishing Crippen, you just tried to outsmart someone who knows much more about the subject in hand whilst in the process caught out, yet again, lying about somethings people have said which they haven't, even in your last post about race, just off the cuff making up absolute random stuff for no apparent reason, yesterday as well you said I was obsessed with race just because I reference chedder man, i.e. the first Britain being dark skinned, not sure who it is exactly you're trying to impress.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 19 Nov 18 18:15
reputations stick, Dr fibber lol.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Nov 18 18:18
I surrender, two threads on the trot from s-h.

I said he'd throw a tantrum.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Nov 18 18:21
Crikey, there's one from STUDYFORM now.

I'll take a look at it later.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 19 Nov 18 18:23
so caling someone out for making stuff up is throwing a tantrum, so what do I do as an alternative, post fewer words? if I post less than 5 you'd call it a tantrum because ironically, that's what childish people like you do Laugh
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Nov 18 19:38
that's what childish people like you do

So he puts a little face on the end of his post, to show that he still thinks like a child himself.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 19 Nov 18 19:41
no it's to mock a troll, which you obviously are.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 19 Nov 18 19:43
I can't see what point STUDYFORM is trying to make in his last splash all over the page.

Although he's got something stuck in his craw that's for sure.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 19 Nov 18 21:58

Nov 19, 2018 -- 5:31PM, Coachbuster wrote:


there is even a certain gene for RA too ... inflamation

By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 19 Nov 18 22:11
Just wrote half a novel FFS
Coachbuster you bring up some interesting points on your posts today especially inflammation,auto immune illnesses and genes.
My mother has 3 sisters and all have at least 1 auto immune biggy my mother has an uncurable liver diorder which is very rare but after a 2nd hip op this year and taking my advice doesn't have to take pain killers for all her artritis' when before she couldn't even shake someones hand without severe pain.

Have started taking Omega 3 recently as some of us can't change Omega 3 into fatty acids from seeds/nuts/plants and after researching the connection between dementia etc. thought better safe than sorry.
The Omega 3/6 ratio is a conflicting one because from what I gather is regardless of how much Omega 3 you consume your body only uses what is needed regardless of the amounts of Omega 6 etc. you take in and the problems arise when there isn't enough Omega 3 consumed and used by the body,it's quite difficult to research as it can be dependent on what else you eat but the links between dementia etc. are set in stone.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 19 Nov 18 22:14
incurable liver disorder*
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 19 Nov 18 23:37
If it disappears again, I'll post it again.
(the stuff "stuck in my craw" that you seem to have not liked).
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 19 Nov 18 23:45
I wonder how many different accounts Crippen signed in and out of in order to report your posts, supressing free speech, not a good look Doctor. No point denying it, it was aimed at you personally so nobody else would bother to go to such lengths. Poor form imo.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 19 Nov 18 23:48
It has happened quite a lot over the last year or 2.
Crippen is usually involved somewhere, although there is still this ability to report and be obeyed, and I'm pretty sure there are a couple of people with nothing better to do.

Then they try calling ME a "grass" - in a bid to... well I'm not entirely sure, but there must be a reason.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 19 Nov 18 23:50
same here, many many posts deleted during the brian cox era, where every day he was promising he was coming for me on youtube, when everyone else was being banned left, right and centre....are you reading this guinness, you didn't get meWink
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 19 Nov 18 23:55
It's McDougall's revenge I think.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 19 Nov 18 23:56
Yes, Denzil. He's wrong about everything too LaughLaughLaugh
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