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Diabetes prescriptions now cost NHS £1bn, figures show
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Thanks.
 A good note on which to turn in for the night I think. |
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You come across as a t0sspot, crippen.
And you STUDYFORM, come across as someone who needs to get their blood pressure checked. |
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Amazing Crippen. What a sad, sad man.
You only post after my post disappears.... HERE IT IS AGAIN: Crippen, you seem to think it's ok to write all this without response??? Just a bit taken from this thread from the last few days. A few comments from me along the way. Oh and before you try deflecting, my top is far from blown. I'm just showing you up for the bell-end you are. STUDYFORM rarely fails to display his pig-ignorance when he posts, and does it again here at 15 Nov 18 19:59 by referring to highly qualified medical doctors as quacks.But what makes him look even more pathetic, is that he seems to have forgotten he's the one who suffers appalling health *last bit MADE UP BY YOU You can't argue with STUDYFORM, because he simply doesn't know enough about the physiology involved in order to construct an argument He's the loudmouth at the back of the room, shouting rubbish to everything he can't get his head around, because that's all he's got. Just look at that mess from STUDYFORM - lol. He's stark raving mad. It's understandable that simple souls like STUDFORM can't understand why these doctors get results that GPs find impossible. It's not that GPs don't want to cure their patients, it's simply that they're not taught how to. Rubbish of the highest order See how STUDYFORM keeps moving the goalposts, as he reads up and then corrects stuff he got wrong on this subject, that he's been bragging he knows so much about. More rubbish, untrue, made up The test shows that people can lower their risk of getting the disease through changes in lifestyle. Which is the purpose of the test, and went straight over STUDTFORM's head as usual. Unbelievable that someone suffering from diabetes would take a test to see their risk of getting it. Quite obvious that people with it WOULD if you think about it Pity STUDYFORM couldn't have taken the test before he got it when the test would have had some relevance. Of course this does serve to show how his addled brain works. I thought STUDYFORM told us he suffered from hypertension? Made up That would add another 5 points to his score so I don't believe he's being honest with us. Although it doesn't matter. Calling me a liar too. WAC "How should we go away, Oh lord?" 1.01 that's a reference you won't understand. |
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I've now posted it 3 times, the post that takes snippets of what crippen wrote about me and re prints them.
It disappears and crippen responds like it was never there. How bloody sad do you have to be?????????? Every time it goes, I'll put it back. |
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*re-printed
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I'd like to get to the bottom of this myself.
Let's put the record straight, what exactly does STUDYPORN suffer from ? Diabetes? Hypertension? Cholesterol issues? Heart disease? Psoriasis? And of course the obvious mental problems. Speaking off the record, I'd say there's a strong possibility that drink could be implicated as well. |
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With that little lot I'd consider changing my GP.
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Cheers coach she's doing well,aye mine were way off too and still are even with my current eating of 'healthy' keto no meat,dairy or fish time restricted low carb.
Think it might be possible to get good ratios if you eat low fat overall and/or alot of oily fish to be honest found the subject more and more complicated. Thomas DeLauer is adept at the science so maybe give him a search on YouTube but it's often a stop and rewind job because of the amount of info but the content is there backed up with credible studies. |
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Like you say ,almost impossible to get much omega 3 in the diet ...as you mentioned ,plant sources like flax seed etc won't translate to the fatty acids very well
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will check him out Denzil
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Bear in mind he's not vegan or owt like that he's a bodybuilder type so will have plenty more variety for carnivores.
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Article here about Omega 3 from the Independent regarding a major revue this year.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/omega-3-good-fat-fish-oil-cod-liver-heart-attack-stroke-disease-death-cardiovascular-a8451426.html Another here from the NHS Choices website, despite this report they still recommend eating two portions of oily fish a week. https://www.nhs.uk/news/older-people/fish-oil-capsules-may-not-slow-mental-decline/ |
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From the NHS Choices website.
A healthy diet should include at least 2 portions of fish a week, including 1 of oily fish. That's because fish and shellfish are good sources of many vitamins and minerals. Oily fish – such as salmon and mackerel – is also particularly high in long-chain omega-3 fatty acids, which may help to keep your heart healthy. The operative word there is may which in this context is merely expressing possibility. |
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My post at 10:16
That should be they still recommend eating two portions of fish per week, not two portions of oily fish. |
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Dr C spot on and it's irresponsible or deliberate for the government to give out this advice knowing full well that most people will be consuming the fish and fish fat alongside/in diets that have macronutrients that will cause other health issues.
We also don't know what the dietary habits were of those in the studies once again confusion ontop of misinformation. Have posted Dr Neal Bernard's from that brain thread where he shows the absolute correlation between your levels of saturated fat intake and dementia/alzheimers,adding around 8g saturated fat per filling from even dry cooked mackerel and salmon (larger portion) not to mention most cook them in oil/fat and fresh would have considerably more than proven thresholds for brain related benefits anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ONFix_e4k |
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Yes Denzil,
One major downside of eating oily fish is the fat content (up to 30%) which is significant if you're tying to avoid fat. And for gout sufferers the purines - ouch! |
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Excellent video that last one Denzil.
Same message from Barnard with regard to Alzheimer's, that applies to so many other common complaints too. Change you diet before it changes you for the worse. |
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I'll take that as a no and a no then.
My posts being removed didn't help you, nor will waiting till it's gone away. |
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If you have things to say STUDYPORN, I suggest you restrict them to the issue at hand which is diabetes.
Don't assume that because you come on here simply to fall out with people, that everyone else does the same. |
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On BBC Today.
''There are nearly 7,000 children and young adults under 25 with type 2 diabetes in England and Wales - about 10 times the number reported before, according to Diabetes UK.'' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46290849 And someone on here thinks all diabetes is hereditary. Deary me! |
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Did see this earlier looks like Britpharma has plenty lifelong members to hand.
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Added to this are the associated health issues.
Hypertension. Cholesterol. Obesity. What's going on? |
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''Coronary heart disease is recognized to be the cause of death for 80% of people with diabetes, however, the NHS states that heart attacks are largely preventable.''
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-complications/heart-disease.html |
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Oh my word. How sad does this get.
You've had another post removed before posting again. Just after pontificating that I should keep on topic. Crippen, you are the lowest form of life on this forum. TO THE MODERATOR - PLEASE TRY TO STOP YOURSELF REMOVING THIS POST - AGAIN THE ONLY RULES BROKEN ARE QUOTES FROM THE PERSON REPORTING IT - UNLESS YOU AT TSEG SEE IT AS LIBEL, ON MY BEHALF, PLEASE LEAVE IT HERE This is what it (The now 4 times removed post) said: STUDYFORM rarely fails to display his pig-ignorance when he posts, and does it again here at 15 Nov 18 19:59 by referring to highly qualified medical doctors as quacks.But what makes him look even more pathetic, is that he seems to have forgotten he's the one who suffers appalling health You can't argue with STUDYFORM, because he simply doesn't know enough about the physiology involved in order to construct an argument He's the loudmouth at the back of the room, shouting rubbish to everything he can't get his head around, because that's all he's got. Just look at that mess from STUDYFORM - lol. He's stark raving mad. It's understandable that simple souls like STUDFORM can't understand why these doctors get results that GPs find impossible. It's not that GPs don't want to cure their patients, it's simply that they're not taught how to. See how STUDYFORM keeps moving the goalposts, as he reads up and then corrects stuff he got wrong on this subject, that he's been bragging he knows so much about. The test shows that people can lower their risk of getting the disease through changes in lifestyle. Which is the purpose of the test, and went straight over STUDTFORM's head as usual. Unbelievable that someone suffering from diabetes would take a test to see their risk of getting it. Pity STUDYFORM couldn't have taken the test before he got it when the test would have had some relevance. Of course this does serve to show how his addled brain works. I thought STUDYFORM told us he suffered from hypertension? That would add another 5 points to his score so I don't believe he's being honest with us. Although it doesn't matter.I'd like to get to the bottom of this myself. Let's put the record straight, what exactly does STUDYPORN suffer from ? Diabetes? Hypertension? Cholesterol issues? Heart disease? Psoriasis? And of course the obvious mental problems. Speaking off the record, I'd say there's a strong possibility that drink could be implicated as well. If you somehow think that "grassing" or reporting a post makes you look better crippen, you're wrong. This is a matter of principle and there is no high horse you can reach. Waiting until it's removed and pretending that I didn't respond to your rudeness by pointing your (much worse) rudeness out won't work. I'll just keep re-posting it. In the meantime, others can see that it keeps being taken off, which doesn't show you in a very good light, does it? |
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I forgot to include gout in that list of associated illnesses.
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Have read the heart disease link there's nothing there that will tackle the elevated insulin levels which accompanies these illnesses especially given their idea of a balanced diet and exercise/lifestyle.
My brother who is a trainer with many years experience and reputable qualifications had an overweight middle aged female client recently who is pre diabetic and has had very little exercise experience in her life. She was told she wasn't exercising enough by her GP who advised her to do 80 minute cardio sessions on top of her personal training workouts which she went ahead with despite the advice of the person she's paying to improve her health,she was doing these on the mornings and having evening sessions a few times per week on top. In short they've got middle age people in poor health with no experience of exercise doing more exercise per week than professional athletes,the whole lot stinks to high heaven and sadly GP's are believed over everyone else due to misguided beliefs in reputation. |
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I've Just noticed. One of the previously removed posts has re-appeared!!!
You are a very strange individual, crippen. Strangest of all though, is a complete inability to realise it when you're wrong. Maybe it's an immunity being brought on by years of being wrong. |
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It was McDougall STUDY I told him to put it back or I'd eat a steak.
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Basically moderate/intense exercise to such a volume increases insulin levels for hours putting you in a metabolic storing state,this coupled with subsequent feedings is no good whatsoever for anyone who has metabolic and hormonal issues which is everyone who is pre diabetic and worse.
This means you can exercise as hard as ever for as long as ever and make no progress with reversing the condition which only happens when insulin levels are low and the fat and fatty acids are able to be utilised. |
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The Barstad. See? I warned everyone about him.
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On top of my 7:07 post I've found this to be correct in my own experiences even on higher calories/more food.
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General practice is a very overrated profession.
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The exercise to burn fat thing is one of the worst some people can take a fortnight to get into ketosis and these lot are telling pre diabetics they aren't exercising enough that's why they're overweight.
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The above extensive research clearly states:
''This systematic review assessed the health effects of long chain and shorter chain omega 3 fats (together or separately) on total mortality, cardiovascular events, cancer, and strokes in a wide group of participants and found no evidence of a clear benefit of omega 3 fats on health.'' Yet we're led to believe omega 3 is the elixir of life and is essential in the fight against disease, with very little evidence to support it. Good fats my eye! |
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Indeed on top of this the study was from the BMJ in 2006 something not quite right here.
My intake of Omega 3 currently is from walnuts,chia and linseeds and I take a supplement Mon/Wed/Fri only which is under the advice of Dr Fuhrman for brain illness protection who has evidence not all who don't consume animal proteins can convert their plant O 3s into DHA/EPA,definitely will not be adding fatty fish to the mix which as mentioned yesterday is the problem for anyone not taking care of their food correctly. |
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So to summarise.
Pre diabetes and full blown S2 diabetes is a problem caused by fat clogging the insulin receptors. The way to approach the problem long term, is to remove fat from the diet by eating a whole food starch based diet. Or fast, then eat a starch based diet to keep the problem in check. Cutting down on fat is not enough, you have to eliminate it apart from the bit that comes with starch. And it costs absolutely nothing. |