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I don't know one person with diabetes,but know loads that have had not great diets how bad has your diet got to be to get it have never understood it,same with people being overweight huge obesity in the country.When i take my son to school have not seen one fat kid,was the same with my daughter through all her schooling zero fat kids,infact would say the opposite all slender..Where are all these obese fatties living..
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The BBC is doing the government's propaganda work.
1st. The numbers have been altered making people "pre-diabetic" and diabetic, who wouldn't have been classified as such a couple of years ago. 2nd. Many/most GP practices only give out monthly prescriptions instead of 2 or 3 monthly (because of their budgeting), so of course the numbers of prescriptions will increase. 3rd. Most fat people are NOT diabetic. So this stuff about running round the park is cheap journalism, although I'll admit it will help a few. 4th. There is no doubt that bad diet and being overweight push many diabetics over the edge, but for about 50% of them, it is hereditary, or nothing to do with the propaganda reasoning. There are plenty of slim, fit, otherwise healthy people with diabetes, and reports or NHS press releases like this do them no favours. |
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Drug companies love 'conditions' which require years-or better, a lifetime- of medication there's nowt in it for em finding cures for ailments.
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I was diagnosed with type 2 during the week,apparently hereditary. I am not overweight,and pretty fit,I had excessive thirst, very tired,blurry vision etc so I kinda had an idea.
A bit of a sickener right enough,the problem is with Dr Google and listening to my own doc, I don't know what to believe. |
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It shows the huge burden governments are under to fund the NHS. But never fear Boris assured us BREXIT would increase funding for the NHS
That's is a very good point saddo. The counter is that there is a strong incentive is for drug companies not providing said medication. Doesn't help that drug companies are huge due to worldwide mergers and there might not be that many of them to compete. The argument for the mergers is the huge R+D costs. A very complex issue where governments across countries need to come together to find solutions. |
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But never fear Boris assured us BREXIT would increase funding for the NHS.
What do you find funny in that? |
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It's also not true.
Boris didn't assure us of anything. How could he when he wasn't even in the government at the time. |
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Metabolic syndrome is:
High blood sugar (Stage 2 diabetes) High cholesterol. High blood sugar. Heart disease. All linked. As a diabetic you're very likely to suffer a heart event. The one not included above is gout, gout is closely linked with diabetes. If you suffer from gout you should get your blood sugar checked. |
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https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-statistics-authority-boss-disappointed-at-boris-johnsons-350m-nhs-claim-11040516
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Can't be bothered opening links for red herrings CLYDEBANK29,
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Kerching for the pharmaceuticals, no doubt boosted by the bringing down of the thresholds for treatment as mentioned early.
It's can be counterproductive in the interest of good health as well for many, because putting people on drugs takes responsibility out of the hands of the patients, who think they can eat what they like once taking them. Which will worsen their condition and lead to them developing other serious conditions earlier. The aim of the pharmaceuticals is to get as many people on tablets at the earliest possible age. It's the perfect business. And they hold enormous sway with the people on medical councils. |
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We should question everything we're told about taking prescription drugs and their effects on us, because there's big money behind promoting them.
Of course some medications like insulin are vital in keeping patients alive. |
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Imagine if the government gave everyone a car. Then said that no matter what you do it, they'd service, repair, clean and generally look after it for you forever, for free - no matter how you treated it.
Truth is, you'd probably not be that bothered about looking after it very well, keeping it regularly serviced, oiled, road worthy and in good working order, happy to bash it around and let the government pay for fixing all the dents and collisions. That's how many people are treating their own bodies, because the NHS is free without question or judgement. If people had to contribute extra for every time the burden the NHS with preventable ailments, the general health of the population would improve immeasurably, and free up resources for those who need it through no fault of their own. Too many people's cavalier attitude to their own health is breathtaking. |
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Good post Danno.
There's no doubt that in the case of most ailments, something like weight which is in the control of the patient can be a significant problem. I'm always amazed when someone overweight tells me they suffer from Arthritis for instance. I usually take the view that they have little common sense, or have a death wish and couldn't care if they passed away tomorrow. |
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mother in law has been warned she is borderline diabetic
she is healthy, not overweight,and active, but was put on statins two years back. she was warned of statins causing diabetes, so now wonders if statins have caused her borderline diebetic state, and, if so, should she take two lots of pills, one lot of pills, or no pills at all. her doctor advises that as her sister and one of her brothers have had a stroke that she should not give up the statins... |
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Diabetes is a significant condition in prediction of a heart event.
Far greater in fact than LDL cholesterol. High LDL Cholesterol correlates with heart disease. But it should be noted that correlation is not the same as causation. She's in the high risk bracket. |
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cheers, she knows that. and sort of accepts it, with reluctance to do so.
her dad was 20 odd stones and lived to 90 on mothers side they do not do so well |
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( knows she is high risk, not other stuff)
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It depends on how motivated she is to try and bring her blood sugars down to a safe level before they put her on meds. Which shouldn't be too difficult.
See the other thread on diabetes running. |
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Probably find her blood pressure is raised as well.
You haven't mentioned that. |
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i think its been stable
through the time shes been on statins as she gets checks for that. although i dont know exact readings, and it may have risen without it being brought to her attention i shall have look at other thread, thanks |
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When the macros for the standard advised balanced diet are the same as what scientists feed rats in the lab to make them fattest fastest this should be of no surprise to anyone,I'm convinced more than ever that almost all of the advices we hear through the mainstream have a more sinister reasoning behind them.
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I'm confused (surprise) what is a balanced diet? I just eat what I like, which is most things but not much of anything. A life lived constantly watching what you eat don't seem a lot of fun.
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......and?
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Knew that would happen.
TheBaron your way is very similar to my uncle who at 75/76 takes no meds only has hayfever as an illness and is fit for his age,he has always just ate enough without abusing anything and kept relatively fit throughout his middle age. The balanced diet lark is the government label of macronutrients advised to the population which serves to make people ill and then keep them ill dressed up as being healthy,it is almost identical to the one lab rats are fed to get fattest quickest can't remeber which video I saw it on though. |
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Check out the RDA's.
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I don't check out nuffin.
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Daily reference intakes for adults are:
Energy: 8,400kJ/2,000kcal Total fat: less than 70g Saturates: less than 20g Carbohydrate: at least 260g Total sugars: 90g Protein: 50g Salt: less than 6 |
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Anyone eating that daily will not be in good health.
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Well its just as well that 99% of the population have never pay attention to advice.
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STUDYFORM's off again.
No wonder he's got hypertension. You don't need to be a doctor to know that, his posts are a better guide than a blood pressure monitor. |
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I'm just warning anyone unaware of your propensity to believe any old crap you read on the internet and then to preach it, to be careful.
That's all. |
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As regards promises made before the referendum, we haven't left the EU yet.
So it's a bit early to start talking about broken promises after we leave. The main promises made, were the promises of disaster should we vote to leave, like the promise of an emergency budget. That never happened, neither did the rest of the predicted doom and gloom situation from the remain side, which we were told would start the day after we voted to leave. |
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STUDYFORM I don't need to warn people about you. When your hysterical posts say more about you than my words ever could.
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And I'm far to polite anyway to sink to your level.
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too
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Went to my doctors for a talk on Diabetes following my recent diagnosis. There was woman there who's blood sugar level was 7.2. Her doctor put her straight onto tablets even though she dosen't want them. Both the diabetes nurses said that they would of tried to treat it through diet
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At 7.2 I wouldn't have considered tablets either.
She should have asked for a glucose tolerance test, even then the required "score" is 11. A referral to a specialist would have been my request! |