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Fasting Diet (cont)
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As things have went for me I eat fruit when I want,white fish(low fat),canned tuna,all veg,all starches and grains,all lentils and beans,high fibre low sugar cereals muesli/oats etc. unlimited water and coffee + supplements.
It's extremely easy to stick to and I just eat when I'm hungry which today nearly 7pm though had 2 bananas in the afternoon and last meal was about 1 am Saturday morning. |
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"You could maybe try a mostly starch and plant based diet and keep your Sunday Roast and have the odd egg meal as a treat"
That's what I thought. Thanks for the link. I'll have a good read of that tomorrow. I remember Mary, she wrote The Starch Solution with him. I will find the book tomorow. I'll read it and report back. |
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I've been doing this 6 1/2 weeks and it's been the last week or so where it's been such big gaps between hunger which I didn't think was possible on low fat by what I've been reading in Bodybuilding/fitness articles.
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I need a rethink about what I eat.
No more salmon, that's for sure. Good night all. |
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That supplement I gave a link to contains both DHA and EPA.
The health authorities tell us on the one hand to eat oily fish because it's good for us, then on the other to cut down on saturated fat because it's bad for us. Fish is full of saturated fat. So which one is it? |
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What about the fat- we've been told to cut down on saturated fat.
Meat, fish, diary, eggs are all saturated fat. |
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13.4 % of salmon is fat, made up of Poly, Mono and Sat.
Also 55% of salmon is cholesterol. |
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That's because fish and shellfish are good sources of many vitamins and minerals. Oily fish – such as salmon and fresh tuna – is also particularly high in long-chain omega-3 fatty acids, which may help to keep your heart healthy.
Most of us should have more fish in our diet, including more oily fish. However, there are maximum recommended amounts for oily fish, crab and some types of white fish. There is additional advice for women who are pregnant or breastfeeding, and children and babies. https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/fish-and-shellfish-nutrition/ May help to keep your heart healthy. That's inconclusive. there are maximum recommended amounts for oily fish, crab and some types of white fish. So if they can be bad for us why should we eat them when there's no need? |
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They're telling us that they don't know for sure if Omega 3 does us any good.
And they warn us not to eat too much fish because it's bad for us. What other conclusions can we come to from that? |
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Most of the polyunsaturated fat s omega 3 anyway. Some of it is omega 6 though.
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Not 55%. 55 mg cholesterol per 100g salmon, i.e. 0.055%. And 3.1g saturated fat per 100 g salmon where I look.
We're both wrong it's 55mg per 85g. The portion is 85g. |
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People talk about vegans not getting enough protein.
Muscular Gorillas are near enough vegetarians, and the closest species to man behind chimpanzees, so where do they get their protein? Same as cows, bulls, horses and many other large animals. This is interesting. In the video Dr Campbell discusses the effects of a animal protein on the development of cancer cells. Meat eaters wont find any comfort here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXPy1aHsP0 |
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Thanks again
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The table I looked at said 55mg per 100g, but nutritional values can vary quite a bit depending exactly what type of salmon we're talking about.
Not knocking anyone who doesn't want to eat dead animals btw. I was a vegetarian for more than 10 years myself (still don't eat landliving animals), and the only thing I supplemented with was vitamin b12. But if you do eat dead animals then I think salmon is a good source of omega 3, should you want some. How beneficial omega 3 is is a bit unclear I think. Might depend on what genes you have maybe? Read about a new diet yesterday btw. It was called the Maduro diet  Very effective apparently. (Maybe I shouldn't laugh? ) |
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It's interesting isn't it Denzil.
As Dr Campbell states elsewhere, protein is a great cell builder - and protein from an animal source is also a great cancer cell builder. Casein protein from milk is the one he used. Of course milk casein never enters our bodies in concentrated form like I assume they used in the experiments, it comes always comes with the rest of the stuff that's in milk. Except for the stuff bodybuilders use, they take casein protein in concentrated form. |
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Yes Mr Anderson I used to eat fish for the Omega 3 in it.
I've got no aversion to eating animal products on moral grounds. I just don't think eating animal products is very healthy. I eat little fish these days either, I might eat it when I dine out. I've never thought that eating carbs and protein together was a good idea after I realised it was responsible for my heartburn. That was one of the ailments from previous years that have long gone since I changed my eating habits. What's remarkable is that now I can go back to eating normally like on holiday or special occasions without any ill effects. It's as if a plant based diet which took the load of my system has allowed it to repair itself. |
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For the time being I've decided against getting an Omega 3 supplement as well as keeping fat as low as possible getting as close to the whole foods plant based ethos as I can with occasional lean fish as Omega 3 crops up in small doses within.
Given what I'm consuming now I've decided to rein in my supplement use to Mon/Wed/Fri for B6,Folic Acid and B12 as alot of these healthier cereals are fortified with plenty whilst keeping ZMA and vitamin D usage the same. |
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I don't know what I'm going to do yet.
I thought I had this healthy eating lark sussed. It seems not  |
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Just read my post it doesn't read right
Whole food plant based supplements as listed is what I'm doing. Just had a vegetable bean and lentil chilli with wholemeal 3 bean chilli rice apart from that just had 2 bananas and a few cups of coffee from being up at about 12pm. EZPZ lemon squeezy |
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I'm starting to feel sorry for you lot...so much anxiety about what you eat, such delicate souls. You take care now.
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That's understandable, you have to take what's on offer when you rely on the food bank for grub.
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The question that comes through time and time again about these miracle cures, is if these diets work so well, why aren't GPs and the NHS advising us to use them to treat our own chronic illnesses, never mind in simply losing weight.
When you work out the answer, I'll guarantee you'll never the trust advice given by your GP again without checking it for yourself. |
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gutted to hear about the mercury in tuna. I love tuna, its one of the few fish that I actually enjoy the taste of, and my stomach can tolerate easily.
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A few portions per week won't harm especially John West canned it's the big oily sods with the highest mercury levels.
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Mercury levels in fish
https://www.thespruceeats.com/check-fish-for-mercury-before-buying-1300629 The John West tinned tuna is Skipjack (low) |
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Of course for every argument there is someone else saying something else. For those who want to eat fish but are concerned about levels of mercury then read this, it might help.
https://chriskresser.com/the-truth-about-toxic-mercury-in-fish/ If you are worried about what sort of nutrients are in your food then i'm assuming that you are focused on eating organic. If not then here's an example of the difference between the 2. Organic Carrots "Organic carrot ground is rested and turned pre-planting to form a loose friable bed. Seed is sown and watered. The carrot uses natural biology to grow at its correct pace, giving it natural flavours and textures. They will be hand weeded two to three times as they are a slow growing crop." Conventional Carrots "Conventional carrot ground is prepared and formed into a loose friable bed. A pre-plant artificial fertiliser is added. The carrots are seeded and then sprayed with Nemacur (Ethyl 3-methyl, 4 pheny-phosphoramidate) to kill Nematodes, a ground parasite. Also, Stomp (pendimethalin) and Afalon (Linuron) to control weeds. Some weeks after emergence, Gesagard (Prometryn) and Fusilade (Fluazifop-P) are sprayed to kill the remaining weeds. Another application of artificial fertiliser is banded between rows. As the carrots grow, they undergo a weekly to fortnightly spray programme of insecticides and fungicides such as Hymal (Maldison), Rogor (Dimethoate) and Diathane (Mancozeb) until one to two weeks before harvest. The artificial fertiliser will speed up the growth of the carrots up to 4 weeks faster than an organic carrot grown at the same time of year." Also read about the dangers of glyphosates. And of course as well as all of this there is the effect of all these chemicals on things like honeybees and other smaller creatures. |
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The carcinogens from the food above enters the body and damage DNA which is repaired by our immune system.
If the damaged cells multiply before the DNA is repaired then it becomes a cancerous cell. For cancerous cells to grow they need promoters. According to Dr Campbell protein from animals turns on cancerous cells. Here's the full story. It's the same link that I gave earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXPy1aHsP0 |
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You shouldn't avoid fish and seafood because of it, but mercury isn't completely harmless:
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/150327-inuit-mercury-beluga-iq-canada-nunavik-arctic-faroe-islands/ "Inuit kids with the highest exposures to mercury in the womb are four times more likely than less-exposed Inuit kids to have low IQs and require remedial education, according to new findings by a team of researchers in Canada and the United States. The children scored on average almost five points lower on IQ tests." The good news is that it's much harder to get as much mercury if you don't eat Beluga whale. Somewhere there's a limit at which the benefits of the omega3 fatty acids don't outweigh the risks of the mercury. |
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Incredible innit. All they have to do to cure Cancer is to look at a few youtube vids...amazing!
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The benefits of Omega 3?
It's accepted by many that Omega 3 is healthy, yet I can't find any any conclusive evidence that Omega 3 is beneficial. If fact the first website I give below states their study found no evidence that Omega 3 protects the heart. Comments such as this from the NHS website ''Oily fish contains a special kind of fat, called long-chain omega-3 fatty acids. Long-chain omega-3 may help to prevent heart disease.'' This only suggests that Omega 3 might be efficacious to good health, it doesn't claim it is. Then more here. https://nccih.nih.gov/health/omega3/introduction.htm https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/omega-3-tested-on-heart-patients/ |
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◾A 2018 analysis of 10 major omega-3 supplementation studies (77,917 total participants, all at high risk of heart disease), each of which involved at least 500 participants and a treatment duration of at least a year, found no evidence that omega-3s could reduce the risk of fatal or nonfatal coronary heart disease.
◾In 2016, the U.S. Government’s Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ) did a comprehensive evaluation of 98 studies of omega-3s and heart disease, including both diet and supplementation studies. They did not find evidence that omega-3s can reduce the risk of heart attacks or death from heart disease. ◾Several other analyses of the evidence have been done in the last few years (2012 or later), and like the 2018 analysis and the AHRQ report, most found little or no evidence for a protective effect of omega-3 supplements against heart disease. However, some earlier analyses suggested that omega-3s could be helpful. The difference between the newer conclusions and the older ones may reflect two changes over time: https://nccih.nih.gov/health/omega3/introduction.htm#hed5 |
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"May help" sounds better than "may harm" for example. About fish intake during pregnancy: http://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/7/3/2001/htm
"This review assessed the hypothesis that fish intake during pregnancy improves offspring neurodevelopmental outcomes. A review of the available evidence indicates that intake of fish during pregnancy is associated with positive foetal neurodevelopmental outcomes, as supported by seven of eight articles reviewed, which showed a beneficial impact on foetal neurodevelopment with one or more servings of fish per week compared with no fish intake. Based on the results from these observational studies the current recommendation of two to three servings per week appears appropriate. Randomised clinical trials have been conducted using fish oil supplementation in pregnancy, but not with fish considered as a whole food. Existing evidence is currently insufficient to inform advice regarding fish intake during pregnancy. Further well designed studies are required to strengthen the evidence base regarding the type and quantity of maternal fish consumption during pregnancy and associated neurodevelopmental outcomes in the offspring, while considering the contribution of mercury from fish-containing diets." Another case of "may help" I suppose. I would wholeheartedly support much much more money being spent on nutritional research in general. Too much of the research is sponsored by the food industry, and a large proportion of all studies are of dubious quality. Much more research should be paid for by governments and intergovernmental organisations. Currently the science of nutrition is a mess. |
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Mr.Anderson, what do you think of the conclusions draw in the last post of mine in bold?
They seem convinced that the claims suggesting that omega 3 protects the heart are completely unfounded. |
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Taking the report that Denzil supplied about Omega 3 here.
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2002nl/jun/healthmythsomega3goodfats.htm And along with the report in my last link, I'd say there's no positive reason for eating fish simply for a supply of Omega 3. In fact I'd say the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction and we should now consider avoiding Omega 3. |
