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Fasting Diet (cont)
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It may very well be the case that omega 3s don't lower the risk of heart attacks, or that the positive effect is very small. But what about the rest of the body and other diseases?
What health risks are increased by omega3? If you actively avoid omega 3 you must think it increases the risk of something nasty? |
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Mr Anderson, the answers to your questions are in the inks already supplied.
The news in the link supplied by Denzil is that Omega 3 promotes startling cancer growth in affected cells. Here: https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2002nl/jun/healthmythsomega3goodfats.htm Please note that all the claims are backed from research made in the studies at the bottom of the page. While the evidence to support taking Omega 3 is weak to say the least. And is simply not there, according to the recent reports in this link: https://nccih.nih.gov/health/omega3/introduction.htm#hed5 These people also address the effectiveness of Omega 3 in treating other conditions on this website. The findings in the first link that Omega 3 stimulates cancer growth, will no doubt disturb many people who purposely include it in their diets. |
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If the evidence in the two links in my last post is genuine, and I've no reason to suppose that it isn't. Then it throws all the advice we are getting about diet and nutrition from mainline sources into question.
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That you should avoid fish because omega 3 promotes cancer certainly isn't the scientific consensus.
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Well it should be Mr Anderson.
Along with the fact that animal protein promotes the production of acid in our bodies which is neutralised by our kidneys through pulling calcium out of our bones and teeth. In the last thread about fasting diets, I provided a link from the highest medical authority in America that confirmed that is exactly what happens. Yet how many people with brittle bones are advised to go easy on the animal products? The scientific consensus as you call it, seem a tad selective in what they want the public know. |
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I've just discovered a packet of Birdseye Fishfingers with Omega 3 in my freezer. I immediately called the emergency services and they told me to retreat to a safe distance and inform the neighbours to evacuate the area.
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You can't be too careful, Baron.
I'm reading The Startch Solution at the moment. I didn't get past the first few pages the first time. I just couldn't accept what he was saying but I'm prepared to give it another go. It seems we could actually live on potatoes, along with a B12 supplement. We could even bet fit enough, on potatoes, for extreme skateboarding! It's very interesting. I think I might be giving up almost all animal products very soon. |
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Just used a shepherds pie mix (x2) to make a stew with mushrooms,onions,garlic,tomatoes,carrots and green lentils replacing the mince served with boiled potatoes,broccoli and mint sauce was very nice and not much different to using mince as all the flavour is in the mix.
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Thanks Denzil.
I might make a cottage pie using lentils and a cottage pie mix. I've never used either before. Mr. Maybe used to be a vegetarian and I used quorn mince for cottage pies, they were quite nice, but I realise now that Quorn isn't very healthy and has egg and milk in it, so no good if I'm giving this vegan malarkey a try. I good while ago I bought Keep it Vegan by Áime Carlin, I only flicked through it but I've got it out again and will read it properly. I have thought about becoming vegan for a while but it's never been more than a thought. Giving up eggs will be hard and I like meat so will definitely need meat substitutes. I read in the Daily Fail that, this week, that Tesco has started to stock the new vegan steaks. They are from Denmark, I think, They are supposed to be almost like the real thing. I very much doubt that, but I will buy one today and try it tomorrow it with some nice starchy chips and report back. I might be extra healthy and do sweet potato wedges  I'll find links to the steaks. |
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Sorry for the typos, it's early.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5731071/Vegan-plant-based-steak-Vivera-launches-Tesco-supermarket-tastes-looks-just-like-meat.html . https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/300544698 They don't look very appetising in their uncooked state and they are made from soya, which I generally avoid. I'm getting up now to go and do my shopping.... and buy some lentils and pretend steak |
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They look very nice when cooked
 . https://youtu.be/lguGpesn-Ag |
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I just couldn't accept what he was saying
Same here Makybe, in fact I went on a high fat diet and ditched the carbs; this sent my blood sugar readings up to 6.8. How could that be when so many doctors tell us it's the carbs which are responsible for high blood sugar readings? Well our bodies run on glucose, if it's not available it simply turns protein and fat into glucose. I panicked, and listened to McDoogall with his starch and veg diet and gave it a try. I get blood sugar readings of 5.3 - 5.7 on this diet. And I eat as much as I like without any weight gain. The science is that it's fat in our glucose receptors (muscles etc), which cause diabetes (insulin resistance) by slowing down the entry of glucose; this causes insulin to rise even further in an attempt to accomplish the task. Remove the fat and the glucose goes in easily, causing our sugar levels to drop and the need for more insulin with it. |
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That's with Stage 2 diabetes by the way.
The cause of Stage 1 diabetes is different. |
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Interesting stuff, Dr Crippen.
I bought my pretend steaks  But I forgot my lentils  I picked up a garlic baguette, which was different from my usual one. When I got it home I noticed it was vegan garlic bread! I think it's a sign I had a look round Tesco for vegan foods, just to see what is available, and couldn't find very much. I've just done a Google search and found Wicked Kitchen. They produce a range of vegan foods for Tesco. I obviously didn't look very hard. . https://wickedhealthyfood.com/2018/01/07/mighty-plant-flavours-unleashed-wicked-top-secret-u-k-project-revealed/ I'm going to buy the mushroom pizza next time I'm in there. I did buy a chicken for Sunday lunch (free range of course) and some new cornetto things to try  One step at a time |
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Makes sense MD
https://nutritionstudies.org/recipes/meal/ I've posted a link which might give an idea or 3 but haven't looked at it properly yet |
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That looks really good, Denzil, thanks
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Good links the last two from M_D and Denzel.
Linda McCartney's vegetarian sausages I get from Tesco aren't bad. |
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I'd forgotten all about the Linda McCartney range.
. http://lindamccartneyfoods.co.uk/our-food/chilled-range/ The sausages look quite nice. I might buy some and do hot-dogs |
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Cheers for the links MD just catching up now
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I'm going to cook my Vivera steaks now
Will eat them while watching Midsomer Murders so I will report back later |
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Disappointing
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Trial and error job MD
Up to now I haven't missed the protein as part of a meal so will be sticking to the whole foods and maybe treating with the other stuff,popcorn aint bad for a snack/treat just eating some home made (I eat shop bought too) add your own sea salt if you like it surprisingly good nutrition might have to activate the flash on the link. http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/snacks/5356/2 |
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Yes, I like popcorn but daren't buy too much at once as I find it very addictive.
I like this from Aldi . https://www.nutracheck.co.uk/CaloriesIn/Product/78/Aldi+Passions+Deli+Sweet+%26+Salted+Popcorn+27g |
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I've read a couple studies which I found interesting:
Genetic Adaptation of Fatty-Acid Metabolism: A Human-Specific Haplotype Increasing the Biosynthesis of Long-Chain Omega-3 and Omega-6 Fatty Acids https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3376635/ Positive Selection on a Regulatory Insertion–Deletion Polymorphism in FADS2 Influences Apparent Endogenous Synthesis of Arachidonic Acid https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/33/7/1726/2578764 Pretty difficult texts, I definately don't understand everything, but enough to find them interesting The very short version: How good you are at making long chain fatty acids out of plant food depends a great deal on your genes. How commmon certain genes are depends on the traditional diet in that area. Genes that give greater conversion are more common in traditional vegetarian populations, and pretty much don't exist among inuits for example. Some time in the future when the science of nutrition is no longer a mess I'm sure that nutritional advice will be tailored to the individual depending on what genes you have. |
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How come there were very few fatties around 50 years ago?
Was that genetic? |
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No, genes don't change much in 50 years. Most modern food is bad for you regardless of genes I think.
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Today's kids are predicted to be the first generation to live shorter lives than their parents.
That's quite an indictment against modern medicine, which it seems to be under the control of the pharmaceuticals and the food manufactures judging from what doctors are taught. Which is to eat a balanced diet with saturated fat and sugar, which they have been telling us for decades is killing us. Meat, fish, and dairy products are saturated fat. Yet they won't tell us specifically to stop eating these products. Why not? |
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Here for instance in a recent report from a credible source.
They don't tell us to stop eating foods containing significant amounts of saturated fat, but to simply reduce our intake of them. https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/harvard-researchers-renew-warnings-about-saturated-fat-and-heart-disease |
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My mushroom pizza from Wicked Kitchen was delicious. It's an odd size. It was too big to eat in one go so I froze half of it, but half of one isn't quite enough. It was a bit hot and spicy for my taste but I would buy one again
I bought some Vegan cheese today and some Linda MacCartney vegetarian sausages. I've yet to try them. This is an interesting read about grains . https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2008nl/jan/grains.htm |
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Good link again Makybe_Diva.
Compelling stuff from Dr Mcdougall, and all backed where appropriate by a list of studies at the bottom. The amazing part is they don't teach hardly any of that in medical college according to the doctors online. |
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Agree another gem from Dr McDougall.
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1.50pm insoection
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I returned home from town earlier and Mr Makybe's first words weren't... " Hello darling, have you had a nice time? Did you buy anything nice?"
No, what he said was... "Don't get buying any of that f*****g cheese again, it's gross!" Plain He'd actually been told not to open the cheese. He doesn't listen to a word I say. That'd be right  Stick with it it gets easier and easier,I haven't looked at the website much either there's alot to take in and you need your head on to digest it all but as long as we've got the basics we can't lose. |
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Yes, it is a lot to take in, Denzil, after years of believing the opposite to all he is saying.
I've got salmon for tea  |
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I doubt the odd bit of fatty fish or meat will hurt in the long run if you can stay clear 5 or 6 days per week it'll also do your mind good having a 'treat' meal to look forward to.
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This is the thing, Denzil. In the Starch Solution, Dr McDougall says be able to eat the foods you love. Well I had been eating the foods I love, such as chicken, beef, pork, salmon, eggs, butter, cream, cheese.
Whoever would think a salmon fillet would ever be a 'treat'? I consider a treat, something like corenetto, not a piece of salmon This is hard! |
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Yes the whole mentality of 'treat' as I said it is a completely different mentality from what we're used to.
What I've been doing is trying to cook meals the same as before and just replacing the meat part with a type of lentil or bean or both with wholegrain rice/quinoa/pasta which has worked ok so far. Another one that's helped is using a whole grain cereal (protein oaties mainly) as a meal and add some fruit or a small amount of chocolate granola with water and it's like a meal and desert in one with plenty of good nutrition as they're all heavily fortified now. |