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Dreadful Fire in London tower block!
Dreadful Fire in London tower block!
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I think they should find that Shaun Rider look a like wearing the mickey mouse t-shirt and pushing a trolley with all his posessions in,
and let him take control of investigations They know their s hit down saaaarf |
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"There have been plenty of warnings that cladding can present a severe fire risk. To give just one example, in 1999 the House of Commons select committee on environment, transport and rural affairs published a report entitled Potential Risk of Fire Spread in Buildings Via External Cladding Systems.
But both Conservative and New Labour governments have been highly reluctant to introduce new public protections, even when the need is pressing. They have been highly amenable to tearing down existing protections at the behest of trade associations and corporate lobbyists. Deregulation of this kind is a central theme of the neoliberal ideology to which both the Conservatives and Labour under Tony Blair succumbed." |
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Other blocks in London with the same cladding : Ferrier Point (Newham), The Chalcots (Camden), Clements Court (Hounslow), Castlemaine Tower (Battersea).
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I hear Lineker's been throwing his oar in, Lily Allen style. What a shock.
Consider the petition signed https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-the-government-should-seize-the-property-of-wealthy-home-owners-to-help-victims |
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The whole situation sums up where capitalism has got us ..in a situation where the more money you have the more respect you
receive where those with money call the shots they make the decisions without consultation ..as the more money you have the more you can be trusted this is supposed to be system to benefit all of us but sadly it serves a few at the expense of the rest of us. Greed Kills as does trust in opaque systems of Governance that favour those with most money and influence . |
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until westminster is cleansed (including the civil service) it will remain thus.
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hi I,m the safety man I havnt got a clue about your job or what you do
but I,m sure as fooook going to stop it.  |
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all getting rehoused in the local area so 100 plus houses worth up to a million not getting used.sort of blows the housing shortage debate out of the window
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I have never been tempted to live in any flat above the second floor after watching 'Towering Inferno' all those years ago! After I watched the film I did some research which basically stated that you are screwed if you live in a high rise and there was a fire. I wouldn't even work in a high rise office. Especially now after 9/11 and other high rise fires.
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I dont think a Public Enquiry will help. We need the Police to get on with it!
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Good policy annie.
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They only have to quote building regulations and show the inspection reports and they're in the clear.
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Agree Dr.
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They can quote building regs but if it can be proven they knew of the risk then they
may be in a similar position to cigarette companies who were selling legal product. |
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Once a project has left the Architects office or clients office, and is out for tender, the only things/documents that matter are, a bill of quantities (BOQ), the PSA Schedule of Rates, and a variation quotation. Building regulations greatly weakened in recent years, (thanks Blair and others), and current Fire regs are easily met.
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A design and build contractor will have a project signed off by a RIBA accredited Architect, (even if he has not seen it).
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will regulation be strengthened given that would inevitably increase costs for the construction industry? Hmmmmm...
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Nail on head A_T.
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Annie fortunately I live below the 3rd floor any fire here and I'm pronto out of the flat down
the stair well and out.There was a fire in another flat on my floor only a couple of weeks back a lady above the flat on fire smelt smoke and rushed downstairs to our floor and knocked on my neighbours door thinking it was his flat, when he opened the door he and the Girl quickly realised it was the flat opposite (An Alcholic Guy lives in this flat)smoke was billowing from under his door ..they quickly banged on his door and he awoke from his slumber and ran out of his flat ..if it wasn't for his neighbour above he probably would be dead.Probably not a rare event in tower blocks but it gives you a picture of what it's like living in a tower block.. |
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Sprinklers might be mandatory already in new builds.
If they are the law should be extended to older blocks as well. I think the firms that fit the cladding to tower blocks might be getting worried that they won't be needed so much in future. |
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Dr, they will be needed to replace all the combustible panels with safer ones. They'll be very busy and it will surely cost tens of millions, countrywide.
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Firms like Rydon (main contractor) will carry on as usual sub contractors like Harley Facades Ltd, will get the blame. Or that's how it's worked up until now but this could AND SHOULD be a game changer.
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There are currently approximately 4000 tower blocks without sprinklers in them
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Lilly Allen was on ch 4 news ffs going off on a crusader rant, she reckons up to 150dead and lots of them kids,she wanted numbers of dead quicker
Etc .. Accused govt of micro managing the locals grief ... |
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ensuring that*
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Should it not be possible to nail someone for criminal negligence here ? Should be a doddle for a smart team of lawyers.
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The Landmark is THE shining example of how it should be done.
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Will be a court caseimo , someone will be made an example of
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It's too big for anyone to be held to account. You mark my words.
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Correct Dr C, local authority contract tendering is convoluted at best, and officials unqualified, lazy, and in some cases corrupt.
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One thing about this stay put advice if there is a fire is the noise of the actual fire alarm! In a flat I had some years ago that I refurbished completely and had wired in alarms was when the alarm went off they all went off so the noise was absolutely horrendous and if it was an actual fire I don't think I could stay in the flat because the noise was like torture and you couldn't think straight.
I was speaking to a friend about it and he agreed when his fire alarm goes off which it does a lot as he lives in a sheltered block, he ignores the stay put advice and goes outside as he cannot stand the noise. |
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Film of a Tower Block Fire in OZ ,Same Cladding Same Pictures
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FFS>...boxingthefox • June 15, 2017 7:16 PM BST
jolly the Melbourne docks fire was attributed in great part to the ACM rain screen overclad system used in Our disaster. Here's just one of the many quotes after that, “This product is so flammable, it’s like a firecracker or like a flare. “It basically explodes and the heat is enormous.” |
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Unbelievable
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How much of the £10m urgrade went into brown envelopes ?
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the police should be kicking down doors as we speak
they did it for manchester and landan bridge!!!! probably far more have died in this but then arresting parts of your own government may be a tad embarrassing ok so lets kick this can down the road for a couple of years sorry I am off to be sick outside |
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I'm off guys, most of this has been covered in the last 4 hrs. GN GL.
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you cannot stop some of this happening with fire but you can delay it
all the cosmetic wrapping did was accelerate it how the fire brigade are supposed to deal with it?? ladders don't reach very far at all it is supposed to be about containment I know about this however this clearly failed on many counts but still these brave people ran up those stairs!! amazingly strong people |