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Dreadful Fire in London tower block!
Dreadful Fire in London tower block!
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Yes Padlock ,Love to know the Profit margins on the Work that Took Place
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Independent reporting that the police have opened criminal investigation
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ grenfell-tower-fire-criminal-investigation-manslaughter-police-latest-a7792446.html |
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excellenti
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I bet there are people all over london and in other offices shredding and burning paper as fast as they can go.
computers disappearing as we speak |
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The Cost of the Cladding £2.6 Million
 http://www.harleyfacades.co.uk/File/Grenfell%20Tower.pdf If that stuff is Flamable they Had no chance |
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I have Downloaded the Page surprised it has been left up
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It could be the regulations for the materials that are at fault, I worked in the insulation business for 12 years and had to put tenders together for council contracts, they have to be hellishly detailed and every material used and it's apllication have to be accurately described and all relevant standards for the materials have to meet current regulations. The work would no doubt have been inspected and there will be a paper trail to prove it.
The material used seems to have been used on multiple blocks of flats across the country and I would doubt very much that contractors or sub contractors will be to blame, at this time it seems that the material itself just isn't suitable, if it was a polystyrene based material that was used it baffles me how the regs allow it, it's highly flammable. We would not install any insulation into a loft space that had polystyrene in it until it was removed, if it comes into contact with PVC covering on cables it will react with it and melt also, check in your loft, if you have any of those polystyrene sheets as insulation then get them out. |
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‘Green’ and ‘eco’ concerns may have been put before fire safety worries during the refurbishment of the West London tower that was engulfed in flames this week.
The cladding, which was erected around the concrete block’s exterior as part of a £8.7 million refit last year, is suspected by experts to have helped the flames spread so quickly. The panels were intended to enhance the appearance of the building as well as improve its insulation and reduce the tower’s “carbon footprint”. Despite fire safety concerns, ‘green’ concerns could have been prioritised, The Telegraph reports. |
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they won't arrest the ones that sat on this for 8 years
however if you talk about conflict of interest amongst the legislators, as lily allen said, you could get your collar felt |
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it is the regs so who sat on it for 8 years for starters?
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Studio E Architects was founded in 1994 with the objective of creating buildings which were both aesthetically refined and environmentally responsible.
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I am completely and utterly astounded. I have looked at these sandwiches and things they shriek at me - FIRE BURNING !!! and I am relatively ignorant of fire regs about these things. I have done fire fighting courses and these just look like the last thing you want in or on a building.
You might as well clad the place with wood except all this clever chemical stuff chucks out all sorts of poisons unless you have breathing apparatus you are toast in the smoke and heat helped by this idiotic stuff. |
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Throw the poor into the towers but make them look pretty on outside ,ffs
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Looking at the Pictures Pre Fire ,any fire Ie a car going on fire outside the block the whole lot is going to go up ,kids
fxcking about with a rubbish bin ,once one or two of them panels have caught light |
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lily allen asks why are they playing the casualties down
what purpose does it serve this is a complete disaster still government and council services do not seem to be in there is that why they are playing down the numbers its a fire but not a disaster when manchester and london bridge happened the police were kicking down doors all over the place there is much more to this it is called avoidance of blame |
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I would take all involved into custody so they cannot swap or organise stories to cover themselves like they would normally do
but arresting those who sat on committees years ago is far too embarrassing we are going back 8 years or more |
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50 dead at least - but why play it down
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The report from the Lakanal House fire was released in 2013. Presumably this comes under the Housing Ministers department? If so since 2013 there has been Kris Hopkins (Oct 2013 to July 2014), Brandon Lewis July 2014, and Gavin Barwell.
Since 2000 there have been 14 Housing Ministers...which might explain why they never get round to sorting stuff out! |
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it is not a priority
arrest the lot and put the sh!ts up them this one was a corporate job |
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it was known
they knew and they ignored it from 2008 till 2 years ago they knew and they are culpable take the lot into custody before they cover their tracks |
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lily allen asks why are they playing the casualties down
The building obviously isn't safe and no search will begin until it's deemed so. Heard someone say on the 10.00pm news that fatality numbers will rise and will be in three numbers. Not sure what else can be reported until the facts are known. |
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come on aka
they are managing it the longer it is strung out the sooner brexit dup or other stories can creep in |
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Surely the blame lies with the building regulations?
How can it be anyone else's fault if the regulations allowed the work to be done in that way? The fitting of insulation before sprinklers is another matter that the regulations have fallen well short on. |
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ps and what the fk happened to real journalism
that jon snow, who I cannot stand, got stuck into them and asked why emergency legistlation wasn't brought in NOW by the time any conclusions are reached it will be 'remember that fire in london two years ago darling' |
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it is definitely the regs
2008 said what was wrong so who are the legislators and what are THEIR interests why has the review been sat on for 8 years NOT PUBLISHED |
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Over 100 feared dead say the morning papers now
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They are managing it? Who are they moisok?
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"If the Lakanal House inquest had a theme throughout its 11-week running time it was of mistakes and missed opportunities.
In its verdict, published in the 11th week of a gruelling investigation into the deaths of the six people in the blaze on 3 July 2009, the jury clearly pointed to the ‘failures’ of Southwark Council, which owned the 14-storey block. The lessons that emerged are ones that social landlords across the UK can and should learn. Witnesses for the council, its contractors and London Fire Brigade revealed key decisions taken in the years leading up to the fire now look questionable at best. Certainly steps that could have prevented or slowed the fire’s spread were not taken. In fact, panels installed as part of decent homes refurbishment under the bedroom windows of flat 79 - the home of victim Catherine Hickman - appear to have helped the fire spread more rapidly than expected after it was started by a faulty television in flat 65, below. ‘This was due to a serious failure on the part of SBDS [Southwark Council’s building design services], its contractors and its sub-contractors,’ the jury said. The panels were fitted in 2006/07 and neither Annabel Sidney, project manager at Southwark Council, nor James Cousins, senior quantity surveyor at contractor Apollo, thought they were directly responsible for the level of fire resistance they offered. It also emerged during the inquest that they offered less resistance than the panels they replaced. A spokesperson for Southwark Council says ‘lessons have been learned’. Its refurbishment on Lakanal’s sister block Marie Curie - started last year - has used different panels on the outside of the block, she confirms. The fire service was also criticised for its lack of consistency in whether to tell residents to ‘stay put’ or ‘get out’ during a tower block fire. Also, no fire risk assessment was carried out at Lakanal House before the blaze, despite being a legal requirement. As a result, coroner Judge Frances Kirkham made various recommendations to Southwark Council, the Communities and Local Government department and London Fire Brigade at the end of the inquest in a series of letters, known as rule 43 recommendations. These include ensuring residents know what to do in a fire, and that guidance on both the scope of fire risk assessments and on building regulations related to fire safety is made clearer. Expert witness David Walker, a building surveyor, told the inquest he is still being approached by social landlords to carry out fire risk assessments on residential blocks that don’t have them in place." |
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I heard on the news that the cladding fitted was in line with building regulations.
Now if that's true then it's clear where the blame lies. |
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May's government, local council police and news media
they are being told not to did you see the sky journo slap down a planning/fire prevention chief from the midlands being slapped down? what happened to journos investigating they are at it now flat out on sky papers they have spent 30 mins on sky with platitudes |
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it is all waffle but then what else do you expect
all get back in you boxes and stop asking questions |
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like I said hours ago it is the regs
now who decides on legislation of all people it was lily allen (yes i know!!!) who pointed this out conflict of interest for the government!!! 2008 they knew and it has been sat on never published hope this helps |
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the woman on sky papers is struggling to defend the greens
amazing scenes |
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The Times reporting that the cost difference between flammable panels and fire-resistance ones for Grenfell would have been £5000
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you will find many 'uncomfortable' interviews have disappeared throughout the day
like the posh talking councillor who raised her constituents issues over the building but was labelled by the council as a trouble maker |
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Moisok
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i once burnt a potato waffle, looked just like the tower block.
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@themover Seemingly the material used in the cladding sandwich was 'fire-resistant'.
That was according to one of the 'experts' they had on but whilst deemed 'fire-resistant' it can still combust if the heat is intense enough. |
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I guess we will have to wait and see which type was used at Grenfell. The flammable variant, made by the same company, are banned in US and Germany.
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