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Just don't know how they manage to achieve that flawless eggshell finish on the background.
You can work from dark to light using it straight from the tube but too much water will dissolve up the under layer and create broon mud. Have a go. |
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I will at some point. Bonnard and Vuillard used it a lot.
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If you're working from dark to light you could start with THIN acrylic for the underpainting and then switch to gouache - the gouache wouldn't pick up the acrylic as acrylic is permanent when dry.
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That's a good idea and would work.
 Not keen on acrylics though as they dry quickly and gunge up the brushes especially near the ferrule as once it starts to dry it can't be removed  . Haven't done many gouache paintings, although just finished one. Prefer using watercolour and pastel to anything else. |
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I used to do a lot of pastels. I developed a nice technique, as follows :
People chuck out those roll-up linen or canvas blinds - I've picked up about six in the last year, from the streets, like, for free.  You cut out a bit you want and stretch it over a wooden frame or even tack it onto a drawing board. You do all your drawing and then paint the shapes in with darkish colours, undertones, like raw umber mixed with a wee bit of white, darkish grey, olive green, etc...use very watery acrylic as it gives the linen or cotton a rough tooth when it dries thoroughly...then you start with the chalks and pastels on top...the result is sensational. Again, you have to use acrylic as it's permanent and wont mix with the pastels, other than giving an optical effect as an underpainting.The only downside of the technique is that it fairly rips up the pastels, like you are drawing on sandpaper. Before you start, you can wet the linen with a scoosher to take out the creases...when it dries it will be crease free. If you don't have a scoosher, you can iron the linen...if you don't have an iron, get one! |
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PS - yes, Leonardo Da Vinci was a genius, but have you ever noticed that his major art projects were fecked up pretty quickly by woeful technical knowledge? Paint quickly flaking off walls, etc...
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By the way - forgot to mention - while you're buying an iron, buy a scoosher as well...FFS!...
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Thanks for the tips Vel. What's a scoosher? Surely not what they say in Urban dictionary
 Have only used pastel on paper and that velvety stuff that costs an arm and a leg for a toilet paper size sheet. Free canvas sounds good. Would think gesso tinted with watercolour would work just as well as a primer. Sometimes I will put on watercolour washes then draw strong marks with pastel and finally wash with a wet brush to fix the pastel. Conte soft pastel is water soluble and works well. Leonardo's line drawings are so fine you need a fecking magnifying glass when you get to my age. Paper was expensive back then. |
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A scoosher is one of those plastic spray gun things you can get in the £ shop for a £. It atomizes water...it diffuses water into a fine mist...you know - the bottle thingmy people use for gardening - now, I dare not Google SCOOSHER as Urban Dictionary says 80% of the language is TOTAL FILTH!
 You can buy big rolls of cotton duck quite cheap and that's fine for the same technique. You probably know this anyway, but you can use cheapo hairspray instead of fixative as long as you're cool about destroying the ozone layer. |
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Like, I'm thinking, "How will brother Foinavon acquire those lovely linen blinds? Perhaps he does not reside in an area of the country where discontented numpties renew their interiors every six months?"
You could experiment with all sorts of cloths, etc. picked up from car boot sales and charity shops...as long as you stretch the cloth and soak it, it will dry crease-free...but those cheapo linen blinds are the best surface I've found. You'll have to get a decent staple gun, right enough, costing about £15. It's up to you whether you want to leave the surface on a stretcher...or...you can cut the cloth / linen and get it framed. |
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Yes, the cheaper hairspray the better as it doesn't contain all the additives. Tesco Value brand works well. Years ago I once bought Winsor & Newton fixative spray for about £5 a can. After a few sprays the nozzle blocked
Never again.The trouble with canvas is the problem of storage. You either need a big attic or a large dustbin. Most of my stuff is on paper in ringbound pads so doesn't take up much floorspace. Some of the pastels are not even fixed, just interleaved with glassine paper sheets. Do you manage to sell much of your work, and if so are these commissions? |
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You two sound like Elmyr de Hory and Wolfgang Beltracchi
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Mac trying to get us arrested...Who are these guys??
 Used to sell a lot of work in two English galleries, but it was the same type of thing, over and over - Edward Hopper-like paintings of people in interiors, and they were quite melancholy. In the last few years I removed all paintings from galleries and did some portrait commissions. Now I've stopped all commissions to do super-realistic paintings - still lives featuring glass, toys, magazines and home-made sculptures. Digital photography is a huge boon IMO as I used to spend a lot on film...now you can take 500 photos and pick one. |
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Wolfgang Beltracchi - can't made his mind up if he is German or Italian.
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Cedric McGlashan - English or Scottish?
Paddy Patel - Irish or Indian? |
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You are a brave man Velasquez to attempt hyper-realism. Hours and hours of meticulous work for each piece of artwork. I know a girl who used to take months over each one which she did with graphite pencils on paper. Do you have anything you would be prepared to show us?
I like Hopper and made part copies of a couple of them, "Chop Suey" and "Sunday". Nothing wrong with "Genuine fakes" Mac, I've made lots for personal use. It's if one fakes the signature and tries to pass them on as the real thing or infringes copyright that it becomes criminal. |
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I have a magnificent oil painting of The Last Supper, a "genuine fake" as you term it Foinavon, which I got from China
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Yes, I saw a programme on TV a while back about the Chinese copy artists. They really are good and work for a pittance churning out dozens of paintings a week in factory conditions.
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I wish you hadn`t told me that mate. I assumed that I was buying direct from the artist but having read your comment above, it`s highly possible that I wasn`t. I don`t like to see people being exploited
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They seemed happy enough Mac, doing what they enjoyed doing rather than working in a sweatshop or electronics factory, probably for less. Perhaps some are freelance but then they would have the problem of marketing their work. What is certain is that the hand painted work is much preferable to buying a cheap printed reproduction and you are keeping someone in a job.
I've just checked my recordings and the programme was shown on Sky Arts1 and called "Made in China: Copy Artists". Don't know how long ago though. |
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You could probably download it here.
https://eztv.ch/ep/31920/bskyb-made-in-china-copy-artists-pdtv-xvid-ac3-mvgroup/ |
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Thanks Foinavon. I got it from a Chinese girl on Ebay.
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Good morning Mac,
Thanks Foinavon. I got it from a Chinese girl on Ebay. Aha, is that what you told the doctor?  Thanks for the picture  |
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Very good Foinavon |
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Here is a photo of the daddy of Aintree
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Foinavon - I'm posting nothin' on the Internet until I'm ready to roll. I've systematically removed as much as I can from the Internet. Quality control...
 This thing about hyper-realism...you just need patience and some small brushes. Do you like doing jigsaws?? I start off with matt acrylic then switch to oils. It's not like playing football or something - you've got time to plan everything. Today's artist is...Louis Treserras. Not sure if they're all paintings...I guess not...photos and photoshop? A reduced palette with whites, ochres, browns, blacks. Luverly biscuits. |
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Thanks for the artist of the day Velasquez. Photo-realist or photographs, who can tell? He certainly has an eye for the ladies.
I know what you mean about small brushes and patience as I generally work on quarter Imperial size paper but I wouldn't have the patience to do what you are doing. I guess you must be happy with putting oil over acrylic but are you sure it isn't going to peel off over time rather like "The Last Supper"? |