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By:
Velasquez
When: 03 Apr 15 23:54
Yass - now want it on the wall, rather than Gothicy cemetery thing...
By:
themightymac
When: 04 Apr 15 00:02
How much would that set you back?
By:
Velasquez
When: 04 Apr 15 01:18
Don't have a scooby - sounds like the guy is a Turk, posting on photo websites. Maybe he hires Turkish women to act as his models, and he photoshops his work to look like paintings.
By:
themightymac
When: 04 Apr 15 21:23
3rd Most valuable painting sold at $130 million (today's equivalent $165 million) in 2006. Jackson Pollock work entitled No.5, 1948

Whoever bought has all that money but can`t afford a pair of specs.

[img]http://images.onesite.com/community.betfair.com/user/themightymac/d6051164de0dc1e6e45fb44b0ef61bf8.jpg?v=211200[/img]
By:
Velasquez
When: 04 Apr 15 21:30
There are serious conservation issues with these Pollock paintings - like picking up chunks of paint and gluing them back on the canvas. Jack the Dripper used low grade gloss, enamel and industrial paints, and they've deteriorated really quickly.
By:
themightymac
When: 04 Apr 15 21:37
Can you explain it to me Vel because I just don`t get it? The painting that is.
By:
Velasquez
When: 04 Apr 15 21:51
He had studied Native American sand painting. He is generally regarded as the first Western painter to move painting away from the easel. He would stretch raw canvas on the floor and move about, dripping liquid paint onto the canvas using sticks, etc. Sometimes there are f@g ends, ash and broken glass in the painting as he was sometimes drunk when painting.

Pollok was into psychiatry and was trying to express his unconscious mind. I remember the art critic Clement Greenberg on the Open Uni back in the 80s. He was a big influence on Pollok and he said, "What you have to remember is that Pollock was full of sh1t like everybody else." Laugh
By:
Velasquez
When: 04 Apr 15 22:04
It's not called "action" painting for nothin'...but the idea was to free painting from representing so called "reality"...Pollok was lucky because his paintings were featured in a famous fashion shoot and also in Life Magazine :

https://yalebooks.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/1949lifemagazine.jpg

If you look at diagrams of electron trails Pollok's paintings look kinda similar, though the electron trails look WAY better. As usual, there is a lot of B.S. in the art world and curators, billionaire collectors, etc. are going to go for fashions and crazes. They don't want to collect what Joe Public is hanging on his wall.

Probably the most important thing is the mighty DOLLAR - with Pollok, Rothko, De Kooning, etc. the centre of the art world moved away from Paris, France to New York, America. So, in the 50s and 60s it was very important for the money people to create a genuine, original American school of MODERN American painting. Abstract Expressionism is kinda the logical end of Impressionism and so on.
By:
Velasquez
When: 04 Apr 15 22:11
So...in a nutshell...the painting is about the grammar of painting itself, free from conscious subject matter...it's about texture, tone, colour, line.

I think, if you taught the Pollok drip-technique to all the forumites on Betfair, no two people would paint the same way. Pollock's stuff is not really random, and he usually has some sort of structure in the paintings.
By:
Velasquez
When: 04 Apr 15 22:14
I have to warn you, Mac - I speak fluent, authentic, art-world bullsh1t...Grin
By:
Foinavon
When: 04 Apr 15 22:17
Thanks for the explanation Vel.
I always wondered what they managed to "abstract" from Impressionism. You have confirmed my suspicions magnificently.
By:
themightymac
When: 04 Apr 15 22:24
Thanks Vel, that was interesting to read. So the folk that buy crap like that like to make out they are superior intellect and can see things that we don`t appreciate or understand. To I, it looks like a painting of vomit seen on the street on the way home from the pub. Shocked
By:
themightymac
When: 04 Apr 15 22:25
Evening Foinavon.
By:
themightymac
When: 04 Apr 15 22:26
Personally, I prefer Cezanne`s The Card Players. 2nd most expensive piece sold at $259 million (today's equivalent $274 million) in 2011.

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By:
themightymac
When: 04 Apr 15 22:27
I am off now to the club now but will catch up with you guys later and post the most expensive painting.
By:
Foinavon
When: 04 Apr 15 22:31
Good evening The Mighty Mac.
By:
FlowerMyth
When: 04 Apr 15 23:13
I remember the art critic Clement Greenberg on the Open Uni back in the 80s

I used to tune into Modern Art and Modernism every year, if that was the one, a very enjoyable course, wish they'd show it again.
By:
MisterBadger
When: 04 Apr 15 23:51
this is more my speed:

http://tiny.cc/o2alwx

(I wish)
By:
Velasquez
When: 05 Apr 15 17:07
Peter Howson on Songs of Praise now...Big Pete...Grin
By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 20:01
And the most expensive painting (drum roll) at £300 million is ......

[img]http://images.onesite.com/community.betfair.com/user/themightymac/34e59b5f957c5f2aaf471e60af4010df.jpg?v=152100[/img]
By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 20:03
Nafea Faa Ipoipo (When Will You Marry?) by Paul Gauguin
By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 20:05
Here`s a cheapo. Eight Elvises by Andy Warhol at $109 million

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By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 20:07
Woman III by de Kooning at $162 million (ha,ha,ha)

[img]http://images.onesite.com/community.betfair.com/user/themightymac/8d592c53554e1a13570be8f3ade38d7f.jpg?v=128700[/img]
By:
akabula
When: 05 Apr 15 20:15
I wouldn't give that a second look if hung in a museum mac.
I used to visit Kelvingrove a lot and could look at some of the paintings all day.
But it was mainly Scottish landscapes or paintings with a Scottish landscape backdrop.
By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 20:18
I wouldn`t give it a first look.
By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 20:20
[img]http://images.onesite.com/community.betfair.com/user/themightymac/463501e3e9459b36134140ca04e94eb8.jpg?v=80500[/img]
By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 20:21
That is a touching painting.
By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 20:23
Goodbye My Old Friend by Matania.
By:
s.kenbo
When: 05 Apr 15 20:24
At least the horse picture is well drawn, most of these expensive paintings look like they've been done by a first year art student (at best).

I'm glad I'm not cultured!!!
By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 20:28
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By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 20:29
Now we are talking.
By:
Velasquez
When: 05 Apr 15 20:41
That Gauguin painting - I did an almost exact copy back in 1990, for a pal. I did it on a burlap bag I found outside a Chinese restaurant...the burlap bag was for a huge amount of rice. I sold it for £35 - it only took a day to paint. I put the dough towards a big lucky 15 on Breeders' Cup day and had a decent return with Safely Kept and In the Wings...that was the year Dayjur jumped the shadow...Laugh
By:
Velasquez
When: 05 Apr 15 20:44
It took me about 8 coats of Dulux vinyl silk to fill the feckin' holes in the burlap...used a hair dryer to dry the emulsion...
By:
Velasquez
When: 05 Apr 15 20:49
Mightymac - is that Dayjur jumping the shadow?? I thought he was a lot darker than that! Grin
By:
Velasquez
When: 05 Apr 15 20:50
That looks like Generous or Grundy to me...
By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 21:40
lol vel LaughLaugh
By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 21:41
Brings a new meaning to a takeaway LaughLaugh
By:
themightymac
When: 05 Apr 15 21:42
Regards the horse, you jest I assume? It`s the famous whistlejacket by Stubbs
By:
Velasquez
When: 05 Apr 15 21:45
Yes, I've seen it in London - beautiful...
By:
Velasquez
When: 05 Apr 15 21:50
Just checked PedigreeQuery...there's a Whistlejacket registered, born in 1749...is there a quick way to check if he is an ancestor of Generous or Grundy?? Excited
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