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By:
lfc1971
When: 06 Aug 14 17:13
The welfare state is not generous, it is funded by millions of workers paying tax.
Also there is a great trick being played on the average British worker.
Many(most) of the highest paid jobs could be done as well and probably better by
thousands of other people.
It may come as a surprise,although some people know, but jobs such as those in the city
and Londons trading floors are essentially semi- skilled, and yet these people are getting
great wealth.
There are jobs such as this for which you have to have no measurable skills.
Indeed it is likely that those that are worst will make the most money...for a
time. This is how the system works.
Very very few people, if any deserve to get very large wages, they can all be replaced
by thousands of others.
By:
dustybin
When: 06 Aug 14 17:29
Blimey I didn't realise Thatcher had the power to change the whole of society...

Where money is involved most people will do the wrong thing if they believe there is a chance to get away with it. Allowing people to act out of sight of others was appeasing the very people who were to make the most. Its all well and good telling the people that everyone are 'empowered' by the same lax regulation, but only a select few were positioned to make a killing....strange that innit?
By:
Injera
When: 06 Aug 14 17:32
MT gave me a grant called the Enterprise Allowance Scheme in 1989.

Been self employed just about ever since Dusty.

I wouldn't call myself one of the 'select few'. I just applied...
By:
dustybin
When: 06 Aug 14 17:36
The prince's trust gave me one, but I don't think we are quite talking about the same thing.
Setting up self employment is fair enough, setting out to speculate derivatives and actively pursue stockholder value maximisation as floating investors while doing nothing aint imo.
By:
dustybin
When: 06 Aug 14 17:39
Thatcher made a generation of ponces encouraged to gamble on stocks just like before the great depression.
Its ethereal and ridded with corruption.
By:
Injera
When: 06 Aug 14 17:47
How much tax does the financial sector contribute each year? £65BN in 2013. 11.6% of total tax receipts.

It's the largest individual contributor to tax revenues.

Source: Price Waterhouse.
By:
dustybin
When: 06 Aug 14 17:58
So?
It was the industry that got everything it wanted. No body is saying they don't make 5hit loads of money at others' expense, the question is what effect does that have?
If 'we' had backed R+D engineering as the focal point that would have been the major contributor.
By:
Injera
When: 06 Aug 14 18:03
I agree but successive govts pay scant regard to engineering and anything remotely long term.

The shortfall in engineering graduates is apparently in the 10s of thousands. Not good at all..
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 06 Aug 14 19:20
£3.45 - Should have done a euromillions try?
By:
ebulGery
When: 06 Aug 14 19:59
RickiBobby  • August 6, 2014 4:39 PM BST
Sad case, everyone should be allowed benefits at a certain level no matter what. This man must have died through the stress of what happened. Dignity for all .


good post Ricki

I know people argue that it is up to peoples neighbours, friends and families to rally round
but the reality is people do become isolated...the number is higher than you think...so our governments
cannot ditch their responsibilities..although the Tories want to.

I have seen many people struggling with this ridiculous requirement of applying for a requisite number of jobs
it is no use anyway, since they have no hope of ever getting these jobs, for some this causes incredible stress
for no result, because the jobs are not there

Some of this is actually the fault of government policy which has deliberately up unemployment

There is an alternative, tax the rich more, I would.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 06 Aug 14 21:37
That bloke died because he hadn't taken his medicine.
His death wasn't caused by them stopping his benefit.
By:
ebulGery
When: 06 Aug 14 21:55
????? I don't think it helped
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 06 Aug 14 21:59
What did he think ''oh they've stopped my benefit so I won't take my medicine any more.''

How can you possibly know that?
We don't know why he didn't take his medicine.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 06 Aug 14 22:06
Evidently his electricity had run out, and the fridge (where the insulin is stored) was not on, thus rendering the insulin useless.

He couldn't withdraw less than £5 from the bank apparently, hence the £3.44 stuck in there.

I wonder how many of the people commenting here actually read the article.
By:
ebulGery
When: 06 Aug 14 22:14
I agree study, I don't think they have
I regard this as unacceptable by the DWP whatever anyone else thinks
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 06 Aug 14 22:21
Which article STUDTFORM?
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 06 Aug 14 22:22
It is, ebul.
They're following the letter of the rules without using discretion.

The one which this thread is about, crippen, with the link in the opening post.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 06 Aug 14 22:24
nobody gets their electricity cut off.

they get a keymeter, afford to pay or not................
By:
ebulGery
When: 06 Aug 14 22:27
It is there in the OP

I doubt whether this system is designed to get people work either.
It is designed to stop people claiming JSA, if people can find a way of making a bit of money themselves they stop claiming,
it is not worth the aggro, or they may live on savings until pension age

I know a 59 year old man in this position, He has worked all his life, unemployment is no fault of his own.
He has to learn how to use a computer, he has to make all these applications, knowing he never will never get a job
People don't employ 59 year olds.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 06 Aug 14 22:28
If you run out and have no money to recharge your key, you have no electricity.

This was a situation I was in some years ago.
It is not fun.

AND, keymeter electricity and gas is much more costly than ordinary meter electricity and gas.
Fair?
By:
ebulGery
When: 06 Aug 14 22:28
NO
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 06 Aug 14 22:31
Oh yes the Guardian account.

It doesn't say the insulin was useless, it just said the fridge where he kept it wasn't working.

"Three weeks after his benefits were stopped he died from diabetic ketoacidosis – caused by not taking his insulin.”

You see it doesn't say he died from taking ineffective insulin.

See the difference?
Also the doctor or the hospital would not have turned him away if he'd have gone to them.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 06 Aug 14 22:32
BUt saying his electricity was cut off is clearly wrong
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 06 Aug 14 22:34
I can't see how the jobcentre can be held responsible at all.

It was nothing to do with them if he wasn't taking his medicine.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 06 Aug 14 22:35
That's correct IS, he hadn't been cut off.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 06 Aug 14 22:36
I wonder how many of the people commenting here actually read the article.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 06 Aug 14 22:41
So, according to you, the geezer asked for it - He should have got himself a job!
bought electric, and dealt with it all better.
All his own fault.

Tw@ts.


There is no point in trying to reason with non-empathetic sociopaths who think everybody is living the same life they are.

Crippen, you only ever write such nonsense, I can't work out whether you're a troll or you're actually as obnoxious as you come across on here.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 06 Aug 14 22:42
he had some sort of money coming in, whether he decided to take it etc...............
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 06 Aug 14 22:43
No he didn't I.S. it was stopped.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 06 Aug 14 22:50
Why get so hot under the collar STUDYFORM?

Can't you accept that you're in the wrong without losing your temper?
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 06 Aug 14 22:51
ok study.


i did not know it was totally stopped.

will need to do some research.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 06 Aug 14 22:54
It's in the article the thread is about (link at the top) I.S.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 06 Aug 14 22:54
He hadn't run out of food, they found a tin of sardines and a can of soup.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 06 Aug 14 22:55
When I'm wrong, crippen, I willingly and with grace do so.
Thing is, you are never going to be the one to prove me wrong.

And your last post is definitely that of a troll.
So I'm going to stop feeding you now.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 06 Aug 14 23:06
What I don't about the rules for JSA, is the injustice of a system that guarantees the security of a man with a family but readily throws a single person to the wolves.
It's far too easy for a couple to get together and breed for benefits.
I'd certainly make life harder for these people in the form of reduced benefits.
If that meant hardship for their kids then that's their problem not the state's.
By:
Tony Broke
When: 07 Aug 14 00:00
yes, with regard to the lecky and gas keys, its amazing how the utility companies are allowed to overcharge the very people who can scarecely afford power to heat homes etc.
By:
patrick starr
When: 07 Aug 14 00:05
Have some people no compassion at all for fellow human beings?

Christ,that someone would even contemplate using such a situation as this to troll beggars belief,its an affront to every human instinct to be THAT much of a tw4t.
By:
lfc1971
When: 07 Aug 14 00:13
Also the utility companies make it difficult for people who try to cut down usage
they charge more for the first so many units of consumption.
By:
Capt__F
When: 07 Aug 14 00:43
sad tale
By:
themightymac
When: 07 Aug 14 00:51
Compassion from someone named after Dr Crippen, you`re having a laugh Whoops
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