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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/03/victims-britains-harsh-welfare-sanctions
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Too much immigration.
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A DWP spokesman says: "Our sympathies are with the family of Mr Clapson.
Load of shate |
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the state of a broken society in need of compassionate repair
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Big brave tories picking fights with the disabled and those with the audacity to have a spare room while 'Shareholder Value Maximization' runs the less well off into the ground.
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Always makes me think of the weazle runt of the litter acting all brave in front of the small kids
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the Oakley report, commissioned by the DWP... acknowledged that... it was "clear that this is a system that can go wrong and, when that happens, individuals and families can suffer unfairly".
death and bereavement... yeah, I'd say that's pretty unfair. The Spirit of Thatcher lives on... you can bet she didn't die on an empty stomach |
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Go to work in Poundland for your JSA.
Where everything is worth £1, except you. |
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This is Tory policy since Thatcher onwards....we must have a brutal survival of the fittest economy
That means that anybody at the bottom does not count any more, they are just worthless, their only function is to be exploited by the rich The promise was it would make us all rich...sadly it has not It has only made the better off richer...anybody who tells me our economy is in recovery is a liar not with 2 million unemployed.....the only ones in recovery are the better off, who were well off to begin with Still people vote the Tories, this is the price we pay and appalling case which not happen in any civilised society r.i.p |
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I have witnessed other out of work older people being treated like this, it is disgusting
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I bet they weren't black or asian.
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quiet man got quieter
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Food banks are part of tory policy now arnt they?
Listening to tebit in the house of commons you'd believe it was |
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Good article.
If only the sleazy side of journalism concentrated more on the majority of claimants - like this poor sod - and not just the 'entertaining' chavs. |
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I don't hear any of you limp-wristed lefties coming up with any solutions other than bashing the Tories.
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bring back unlimited liability....that'll make em think before risking other's cash then you'd not need to point the finger at others
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have services at the very least with the state being the major shareholder, just like Germany did. Separating vital services and employing people fairly on decent pay benefits the economy more than cutting funding via slashing worker's rights and pay (income growth rates have actually fallen from 2.4% in the bad 70's to 1.7 in 2009) It doesnt help the economy to have a minority collect more of the money that then invest in energy where profits are protected on investment on the basis that energy is a necessity and therefore not a true laissez faire capitalist market that wont be allowed to fail.
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iain Duncan smith done a great job imo/.
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control fraud was the very manifestation of the appeasing of malignant greed with CEOs and shareholder's alike hurting the long term economy and taking the wealth by making the workers pay with wages that were subsidised and suppliers that were crushed, its counter productive and has proven to be so.
Its not simply about blaming the tories since labour carried it on, but the seeds were sown by the tories making a whole generation of spivvy speculators |
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Unlimited liability? yes that should help encourage entrepreneurs to take risks, grow the economy and create jobs.
State owned companies? When did they ever work? And you proposed that they pay employees at artificially high non-market rates. Who is going to pay for that? Controlling fraud is a laudable aim, as long as increased regulation doesn't end up crippling growth. |
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State owned companies worked fine. But the privatised, profit-keeping ones and their wealthy shareholders wouldn't want you to believe that.
Privatisation is at the root of most of this country's problems. As it happens. |
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Britain is overpopulated by about 40million people. It no longer produces great scientists, artists, engineers
inventors and has not done so for at least 30 years. There have been no new ideas, or books, or songs, or industrialists for many decades. The only way out is a rapid decline in the population of Europe and the US. |
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Like a war?
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China proved you don't need a war. But we benefited from WW2 for decades, time is up now.
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Unfortunately privatisation is a dirty word that carries with it connotations of greed and exploitation....mainly down to the failed railway and utility privatisations.
Privatisation without competition is no privatisation at all. Monopolies, whether public or private, reap inefficiency and consumer dissatisfaction. Just because one has no choice but to use Southeastern Trains to get to work in the morning or get one's electricity from a sector dominated by six huge utility companies, it does not mean that privatization has not worked elsewhere or that it’s principles are suddenly flawed. |
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LIke it says in the article if you get sanctioned on JSA you are entitled to hardship which is about £90 a fort night , but for some reason the fckers in the job centre dont even tell you.
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Humans need regulation, if they are left to their own devices bad things happen....just look at the opportunism that occurred after reagan and thatcher told everyone to forget about society and look after self. If it wasn't for regulation we'd still have child labour to boost the greedy profits. Entrepreneurs would have to cut risk down to a more feasible amount under unlimited liability, but all out risk comes from a select few who have no long term interest in the company they have shares in. They speculate and drive down costs and stifle innovation for short term profit. The work force is decentivised working longer shifts for worse pay meaning the products arnt as good or faulty. The company loses competitive edge as technology passes them by due to lack of investment and the share holder simply sells the shares to find a new company to run down through Shareholder Value Maximization principles. The government are saying they want to make work pay....no they don't, they want to make unemployment worse. If you stop the growing inequality by stopping opportunism short termism and return to pre-1920s capitalism (before the fallacy of laissez faire became established) then work really is encouraged, but they won't simply because the people with money want to keep taking out money which the workforce have to suffer to provide. The minority with huge amounts are actually bad for the economy. When they sit on fortunes and not spend as apposed to the impecunious who spend every penny of their wage cheque month in and month out. Having the government as major shareholder keeps them with a vested interest towards employment. Privatisation on every single occasion has mean increased prices to customers, thats because they increase the margin of profit (like the recent advert for RAC who offer 50 quid of 'free fuel'-why not reduce the premium by 50 quid instead?, because the more areas to charge the greater the chance of economies of scale, areas to profit by breaking down the cost and making a margin) |
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nobody should be left without any money to buy food, i dont care if theyre lazy and arent looking for work or not. its the people on stupidly large benefits for all their 7 kids and big houses that need clamping down on, not someone on the dole. nobody should lose their dole money for not "doing the right things", its disgusting. if you dont want to work, you shouldnt have to. the dole is a pittance anyway.
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"if you don't want to work you shouldn't have to"
Are you for real? If you don't want to work then you should be prepared to live on the street and starve. Why should other people fund your lazy @rse life? |
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Though I do agree with the comment about people with 7 kids claiming fortunes. The kids should be taken into care and the parent(s) should be left to starve by themselves
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lfc1971 04 Aug 14 13:46
Too much immigration. Your ignorance is staggering |
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Clarky9 05 Aug 14 08:34
"if you don't want to work you shouldn't have to" Are you for real? If you don't want to work then you should be prepared to live on the street and starve. Why should other people fund your lazy @rse life? Are you for real ? You're actually proposing that people should be forced to starve to death on the streets ? Utterly insane. |
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ozy and howdi - ignorant or uncaring, or both, people are suffering DIRECTLY because of tory policies, the rich are not. They are twuts.
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^ absolutely correct
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A sad, sad case, for sure.
BUT, again, an extreme case should not be latched upon as an example of the norm. The latter said, we are in a mess with many things in the UK and it was not only the Tories that did it. Blair and his mates gleefully carried on economic policies based on rising house prices and little else. Eventually, we will pay the price for too much debt and an economy based on mobile phone, coffees and 'apps'. However, the point about state-owned industries being sold off shows how ignorant the majority are about economics in this country. Do people really think that 'wealthy shareholders' make up the majority of the share owning public? Of course they don't. By a long, long, long way the biggest shareholders in the UK - and anywhere else for that matter - are pension companies, banks, savings outfits etc etc. And whose money do they manage? It's the money of the general public via their pension pots, savings, insurance policies and the like. Having companies privately owned instead of by the state makes those that run the outfits very wealthy - admittedly sometimes unfairly so - but that is better than having state run company where there is no motivation from the top down. Look at the appalling state all our state-owned companies got into during the 60's and 70's. So, whilst I will admit that the economic recovery is largely smoke and mirrors, let's be honest about where we would have ended up without private enterprise - and that's much, much worse off. |
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if you think there's full employment your deluded
the ones that don't want work are a tiny percentage |
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an extreme case should not be latched upon as an example of the norm.
nobody's claiming it's the norm, but even one case like this is one too many |