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04 Aug 14
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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/03/victims-britains-harsh-welfare-sanctions
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lfc1971 04 Aug 14 13:46
Too much immigration.
Facts
05 Aug 14 08:49
your ignorance is staggering.
call me a taxi
The UK is not a country, it is a business.
To keep the numbers simple:
I pay a man to trim the trees now and again in my garden. There are 4 or 5 local people who can do this job. But I only have to pay one.
If you have 2 million people who have no work, but have to pay them 'wages' (JSA and other benefits) what sort of CEO takes on another 2 million 'staff' from outside the UK, and has to pay an unknown number before they get here, as well.
If they wanted to sanction benefits they should have implemented this BEFORE letting too many immigrants come here, and warned the unemployed of their intended actions.
OR
only allowed in skilled professionals, who can do the jobs that the current unemployed could't do, and turn back ALL unskilled labourers.
There are too many here, that's a fact.
How much income tax do the working immigrants pay in each year collectively?
Will it cover the cost of benefits paid to those that don't work?
Redistribute all the prisoners in the UK with all the immigrant prisoners being separated into their own prisons.
See how much it costs to run those prisons.
Add that to the benefits paid to the unemployed immigrants.
Add the cost of deporting illegal immigrants (when Border Patrol can find them) which after appeals, as nobody goes quietly, cost £18,000 EACH.
Add that to the benefits paid to the unemployed immigrants, and the cost of the prison service.
Don't forget to add the £5billion annual bill in tax credits for low paid immigrants.
Again, how much do the immigrant workers pay in income tax per year?
Is there a nett profit?
Still no reply yet from Facts.
Too much immigration.
Facts
05 Aug 14 08:49
your ignorance is staggering.
call me a taxi
The UK is not a country, it is a business.
To keep the numbers simple:
I pay a man to trim the trees now and again in my garden. There are 4 or 5 local people who can do this job. But I only have to pay one.
If you have 2 million people who have no work, but have to pay them 'wages' (JSA and other benefits) what sort of CEO takes on another 2 million 'staff' from outside the UK, and has to pay an unknown number before they get here, as well.
If they wanted to sanction benefits they should have implemented this BEFORE letting too many immigrants come here, and warned the unemployed of their intended actions.
OR
only allowed in skilled professionals, who can do the jobs that the current unemployed could't do, and turn back ALL unskilled labourers.
There are too many here, that's a fact.
How much income tax do the working immigrants pay in each year collectively?
Will it cover the cost of benefits paid to those that don't work?
Redistribute all the prisoners in the UK with all the immigrant prisoners being separated into their own prisons.
See how much it costs to run those prisons.
Add that to the benefits paid to the unemployed immigrants.
Add the cost of deporting illegal immigrants (when Border Patrol can find them) which after appeals, as nobody goes quietly, cost £18,000 EACH.
Add that to the benefits paid to the unemployed immigrants, and the cost of the prison service.
Don't forget to add the £5billion annual bill in tax credits for low paid immigrants.
Again, how much do the immigrant workers pay in income tax per year?
Is there a nett profit?
Still no reply yet from Facts.
join the queue
Im still waiting for your man crippen to tell me whether he believes the people who take egregious amounts out are worth that money.
Im still waiting for your man crippen to tell me whether he believes the people who take egregious amounts out are worth that money.
How many on here with no sympathy for that fella are working class?
If you are, then you should have some.
If you are, then you should have some.
They are not worth that money, for heavens sake it is an almighty con. The people earning big wages could all
without exception be replaced by a thousand other people.
Those in the city of london are doiing essentially semi-skilled work
They have no measurable skills, in fact the most stupid are as likely as not to make the most..for a time
The point is "measurable" skills.
without exception be replaced by a thousand other people.
Those in the city of london are doiing essentially semi-skilled work
They have no measurable skills, in fact the most stupid are as likely as not to make the most..for a time
The point is "measurable" skills.
Looks like Crippen has taken a hiding and gone into hiding.
true lfc its not what you know its who you know in a lot of cases .........as an example ! my son worked for one of the big bookmakers and a good few years ago he was in a shop in the city of London for a while and it was frequented by city types .....bankers etc , anyway one lunchtime this arrogant **** walks into the shop and up to the counter and says loudly" write me out £400 to win on a certain horse and I want to take the price " my son says to the arrogant pryke "i am not allowed to write out bets its against company rules ,you will have to write it out yourself" ...............arrogant khoont says in a louder voice " I am a corporate banker making thousands a day how dare you speak to me like that whats your name ! I know the owner of this organisation perso"nly I had lunch with him the other day i will have you sacked !............ which will be some feat because billy mountains died donkeys years ago but hey ho ! .........anyway my son says to **** " do what you like" and the price is 2/1 for said horse .............so **** grudgingly writes out bet £400 win and confidently says I will be back at 5 to collect my winnings , my son and the rest of the staff were praying that the prykes horse would get turned over ....but the fecker pished up and true to his word at around 5 0,clock the turd marches in and up to the counter and shouts out" right cough up my money" ! my son thought he would make life a bit difficult for the **** so took his time messing around and stalling the **** to wind him up before paying him out ................prick becomes agitated and shouts pay me out the £800 you owe me ! my son says sorry sir how much ? prick shouts for all to hear" £400 at 2/1 is £800 return ,my son being as difficult as the pryke says no sorry sir I think you have made a mistake there I cant pay you out £800 , **** gets more agitated and demands head office number to speak to someone higher ! all the while muttering threats that he will have my son sacked ......after a good few minutes of giving the **** the runaround my son agrees to pay him out the correct amount £400 at 2/1 = £1200 the turd thought that £400 on a 2/1 winner was £800 return! no wonder our bankers squandered billions of taxpayers money if this turd was typical of them !
He should have paid him 800 and kept the 400. Corporate banker that can`t count, make you laugh
I blame Thatcher.
I blame Thatcher.
Signed!
I received this email today (edited) from Change.org... A follow up to the OP.
Please sign my petition for a full independent inquiry into the DWP’s sanctions regime.
(Link at bottom of post).
My brother, David Clapson, a diabetic ex-soldier, died starving and destitute because he was penalised by the Job Centre for missing a meeting.
Like many others I believe that benefits sanctions (penalties by the government for things like missing Jobcentre meetings) are completely out of control and putting those most in need at risk. A million people have been sanctioned in the last year – many of them are extremely vulnerable like my brother was.
I want to know how the Department of Work and Pensions can justify welfare sanctions that are driving people to foodbanks and leading to starvation and death. The DWP were aware of my brother’s diabetes and insulin dependency, and, if as they say, they followed procedures and no errors were made, then why did my brother die?
Questions need to be asked of how Iain Duncan Smith is justifying benefit sanctions. What is the full impact of these sanctions? Are they working or simply putting the vulnerable further at risk?
I don’t want anybody else to die like this.
Please sign my petition for a full independent inquiry into the DWP’s sanctions regime.
https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-hold-an-inquiry-into-benefit-sanctions-that-killed-my-brother?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=125935&alert_id=awrEEUhUYZ_4NdaTCrpPH7o1OGWjRvJholf7TVCLbCQQ2smqzTdpW66zFnRPNbpq4xl1W%2BD6JH1
I received this email today (edited) from Change.org... A follow up to the OP.
Please sign my petition for a full independent inquiry into the DWP’s sanctions regime.
(Link at bottom of post).
My brother, David Clapson, a diabetic ex-soldier, died starving and destitute because he was penalised by the Job Centre for missing a meeting.
Like many others I believe that benefits sanctions (penalties by the government for things like missing Jobcentre meetings) are completely out of control and putting those most in need at risk. A million people have been sanctioned in the last year – many of them are extremely vulnerable like my brother was.
I want to know how the Department of Work and Pensions can justify welfare sanctions that are driving people to foodbanks and leading to starvation and death. The DWP were aware of my brother’s diabetes and insulin dependency, and, if as they say, they followed procedures and no errors were made, then why did my brother die?
Questions need to be asked of how Iain Duncan Smith is justifying benefit sanctions. What is the full impact of these sanctions? Are they working or simply putting the vulnerable further at risk?
I don’t want anybody else to die like this.
Please sign my petition for a full independent inquiry into the DWP’s sanctions regime.
https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-hold-an-inquiry-into-benefit-sanctions-that-killed-my-brother?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=125935&alert_id=awrEEUhUYZ_4NdaTCrpPH7o1OGWjRvJholf7TVCLbCQQ2smqzTdpW66zFnRPNbpq4xl1W%2BD6JH1
Phucking job centres
Googled my nearest one and they dished over THREE THOUSAND SANCTIONS in one single year, the dozy prats are sending people on courses left right and centre and making them apply for FIVE jobs every day on something called universal job match, their website, apply for four and miss the fifth you are sanctioned, they are c unts, no two ways about it, how can people look for work if they are on courses and apparently they are a crock of sh it, people staring at walls all day, reading newspapaers, killing time, it's a joke, basically a test to see if people are working on the sly
ian duncan smith and cameron both make my skin crawl all over the shop, I have never seen a face I'd love to slap more than IDS, what a fat useless waste of space, tory voters are VERMIN
Googled my nearest one and they dished over THREE THOUSAND SANCTIONS in one single year, the dozy prats are sending people on courses left right and centre and making them apply for FIVE jobs every day on something called universal job match, their website, apply for four and miss the fifth you are sanctioned, they are c unts, no two ways about it, how can people look for work if they are on courses and apparently they are a crock of sh it, people staring at walls all day, reading newspapaers, killing time, it's a joke, basically a test to see if people are working on the sly
ian duncan smith and cameron both make my skin crawl all over the shop, I have never seen a face I'd love to slap more than IDS, what a fat useless waste of space, tory voters are VERMIN
DartsnBooze
Received same/ I will sign, as should every right minded person in this country. What is happening to thousands of families is an utter disgrace. This bloody Tory government are shameless.
Received same/ I will sign, as should every right minded person in this country. What is happening to thousands of families is an utter disgrace. This bloody Tory government are shameless.
The headline on the petition is this:
"Hold an inquiry into benefit sanctions that killed my brother "
Now I don't know how you would bet, but if someone offered me evens the pair on which of the following is the bigger killer -
1) loneliness ( relatives and friends who don't check up on you )
2) benefit sanctions ( DWP advisers who at least care enough to send you a letters which you don't open )
I know which one I'm betting on at evens, and it's loneliness.
"Hold an inquiry into benefit sanctions that killed my brother "
Now I don't know how you would bet, but if someone offered me evens the pair on which of the following is the bigger killer -
1) loneliness ( relatives and friends who don't check up on you )
2) benefit sanctions ( DWP advisers who at least care enough to send you a letters which you don't open )
I know which one I'm betting on at evens, and it's loneliness.
your definition of "loneliness" is fundamentally flawed imo
Did he spend all his benefits on drugs? - just asking...................................................
http://tiny.cc/utezlx
David Clapson’s awful death was the result of grotesque government policies
The DWP brags about ending the ‘something for nothing’ culture, but benefit sanctions punish the unemployed, disabled and poor in ways that are utterly inhumane
The coroner said that when David Clapson died he had no food in his stomach. Clapson’s benefits had been stopped as a result of missing one meeting at the jobcentre. He was diabetic, and without the £71.70 a week from his jobseeker’s allowance he couldn’t afford to eat or put credit on his electricity card to keep the fridge where he kept his insulin working. Three weeks later Clapson died from diabetic ketoacidosis, caused by a severe lack of insulin. A pile of CVs was found next to his body.
I’ll resist calling Clapson’s death a tragedy. Tragedy suggests a one-off incident, a rarity that couldn’t be prevented. What was done to Clapson – and it was done, not something that simply happened – is a particularly horrific example of what has, almost silently, turned into a widespread crisis. More than a million people in this country have had their benefits stopped over the past year. Sanctions against chronically ill and disabled people have risen by 580% in a year. This is a system out of control.
A petition for an inquiry into benefit sanctions, started by Clapson’s sister, Gill Thompson, is now on the verge of its 200,000th signature. This Thursday there will be a day of action against benefit sanctions across the country. If inspiration is required, you need look no further than the latest Department for Work and Pensions pilot scheme launched last week. The unemployed are set to have their benefits stopped if they don’t sign in at a jobcentre in the morning and spend the whole day there, every day. Breach the rules once and you’ll lose four weeks’ worth of benefits; twice and you won’t be able to feed your kids for three months.
Yes, some reasons for sanctions are almost laughable: going to a job interview rather than a meeting at the jobcentre that it clashes with; not completing an assessment because you had a heart attack during it. But let’s not convince ourselves the rest are credible – punishment sensibly bestowed on the scrounging unemployed. A government that deems it a success to stop the money someone needs to eat is a government of the grotesque.
Sanctions are a product of an attitude towards benefit claimants that says they are not people struggling to find work but suspects: lazy, stupid and in need of a DWP-kick to get them out of bed. The lazy are going hungry. Eight in 10 Trussell Trust food banks report that benefit sanctions are causing more people to need emergency food parcels. This, I suppose, is what Conservatives call motivation.
It doesn’t matter that sanctions are disproportionately hitting the most vulnerable. Nor that the DWP’s own commissioned report says that they are being imposed in such a way that vulnerable people often don’t understand what is happening to them, and are left uninformed of the hardship payments to which they are entitled. Six out of 10 employment and support allowance (ESA) claimants who have had their benefits stopped have a mental-health condition or learning difficulty. Are these the chosen victims of austerity now? By definition of being in receipt of ESA, many will struggle to do things such as be punctual for meetings or complete work placements with strangers in environments they don’t know. It is setting people up to fail and then punishing them for it.
Sanctions are not an anomaly. Rather, they are emblematic of the wider Tory record on welfare: one of incompetence and, at best, indifference. The work programme fails to find work for 95% of disabled people, but enforced, unpaid labour or loss of benefits is the DWP’s answer. More than a quarter of a million people are still waiting for PIP, the benefit needed to help cover the extra costs of disability. Seven hundred thousand people have been left waiting for an ESA assessment. Locking people out of their rightful benefits is becoming a theme for this government. The consequences are human; the response from the government is inhumane.
Clapson had only left his last job to care for his elderly mum, and before that had worked for 29 years. On the day he died he had £3.44 to his name and six tea bags, a tin of soup and an out-of-date can of sardines in his kitchen cupboards. Benefit sanctions are aimed at ending the “something for nothing” culture, as the DWP’s press release brags. I vote for ending the demonisation of the unemployed, disabled and poor.
David Clapson’s awful death was the result of grotesque government policies
The DWP brags about ending the ‘something for nothing’ culture, but benefit sanctions punish the unemployed, disabled and poor in ways that are utterly inhumane
The coroner said that when David Clapson died he had no food in his stomach. Clapson’s benefits had been stopped as a result of missing one meeting at the jobcentre. He was diabetic, and without the £71.70 a week from his jobseeker’s allowance he couldn’t afford to eat or put credit on his electricity card to keep the fridge where he kept his insulin working. Three weeks later Clapson died from diabetic ketoacidosis, caused by a severe lack of insulin. A pile of CVs was found next to his body.
I’ll resist calling Clapson’s death a tragedy. Tragedy suggests a one-off incident, a rarity that couldn’t be prevented. What was done to Clapson – and it was done, not something that simply happened – is a particularly horrific example of what has, almost silently, turned into a widespread crisis. More than a million people in this country have had their benefits stopped over the past year. Sanctions against chronically ill and disabled people have risen by 580% in a year. This is a system out of control.
A petition for an inquiry into benefit sanctions, started by Clapson’s sister, Gill Thompson, is now on the verge of its 200,000th signature. This Thursday there will be a day of action against benefit sanctions across the country. If inspiration is required, you need look no further than the latest Department for Work and Pensions pilot scheme launched last week. The unemployed are set to have their benefits stopped if they don’t sign in at a jobcentre in the morning and spend the whole day there, every day. Breach the rules once and you’ll lose four weeks’ worth of benefits; twice and you won’t be able to feed your kids for three months.
Yes, some reasons for sanctions are almost laughable: going to a job interview rather than a meeting at the jobcentre that it clashes with; not completing an assessment because you had a heart attack during it. But let’s not convince ourselves the rest are credible – punishment sensibly bestowed on the scrounging unemployed. A government that deems it a success to stop the money someone needs to eat is a government of the grotesque.
Sanctions are a product of an attitude towards benefit claimants that says they are not people struggling to find work but suspects: lazy, stupid and in need of a DWP-kick to get them out of bed. The lazy are going hungry. Eight in 10 Trussell Trust food banks report that benefit sanctions are causing more people to need emergency food parcels. This, I suppose, is what Conservatives call motivation.
It doesn’t matter that sanctions are disproportionately hitting the most vulnerable. Nor that the DWP’s own commissioned report says that they are being imposed in such a way that vulnerable people often don’t understand what is happening to them, and are left uninformed of the hardship payments to which they are entitled. Six out of 10 employment and support allowance (ESA) claimants who have had their benefits stopped have a mental-health condition or learning difficulty. Are these the chosen victims of austerity now? By definition of being in receipt of ESA, many will struggle to do things such as be punctual for meetings or complete work placements with strangers in environments they don’t know. It is setting people up to fail and then punishing them for it.
Sanctions are not an anomaly. Rather, they are emblematic of the wider Tory record on welfare: one of incompetence and, at best, indifference. The work programme fails to find work for 95% of disabled people, but enforced, unpaid labour or loss of benefits is the DWP’s answer. More than a quarter of a million people are still waiting for PIP, the benefit needed to help cover the extra costs of disability. Seven hundred thousand people have been left waiting for an ESA assessment. Locking people out of their rightful benefits is becoming a theme for this government. The consequences are human; the response from the government is inhumane.
Clapson had only left his last job to care for his elderly mum, and before that had worked for 29 years. On the day he died he had £3.44 to his name and six tea bags, a tin of soup and an out-of-date can of sardines in his kitchen cupboards. Benefit sanctions are aimed at ending the “something for nothing” culture, as the DWP’s press release brags. I vote for ending the demonisation of the unemployed, disabled and poor.
do you not believe it dewey - this is a well documented story?
Paolo Nutini - Iron Sky - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELKbtFljucQ#t=284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELKbtFljucQ - Life is what you make it.
I very much doubt you'll understand what I'm talking about.
"lucky" is not a word I would use to describe people reduced to using food banks or dying as a direct result of losing their benefits in the sixth-largest economy in the world
that aside, even if we do "think ourselves lucky", why do you literally not believe the story?
that aside, even if we do "think ourselves lucky", why do you literally not believe the story?
'reduced to using food
banks or dying as a direct result of losing their benefits' in this country?! - are you actually serious?!
banks or dying as a direct result of losing their benefits' in this country?! - are you actually serious?!
.....and yes..I have seen these people that rely on food banks - and yes....I have brought up a decent family on less than these people get on benefits.......like I said...............................
are you actually serious?!
of course I am - read the article ffs
of course I am - read the article ffs
An 81 year old woman recently died of starvation after the police shut her care agency down. She wasn't found for days, and by then, it was too late to save her.
This has nothing to do with benefit cuts, but it happened, and it facking shouldn't have done.
I have no doubt 'Lessons will be learned.' and 'It must never happen again.'
But it will.
This has nothing to do with benefit cuts, but it happened, and it facking shouldn't have done.
I have no doubt 'Lessons will be learned.' and 'It must never happen again.'
But it will.
People blame the government for everything. But where were the family, neighbours and friends? I know in some cases people have none of these but most of the time when someone is in trouble the rest of their family should help them.
The benefits system is crippling the country. If families don't start looking after each other things will be terrible soon when real cuts start and state pensions etc have to be targeted.
The benefits system is crippling the country. If families don't start looking after each other things will be terrible soon when real cuts start and state pensions etc have to be targeted.
The benefits system is crippling the country.
Blame the labour party, far too much immigration, and a £5 billion a year tax credit bill for low paid immigrants.
Blame the labour party, far too much immigration, and a £5 billion a year tax credit bill for low paid immigrants.
That is an absolute falsehood frog2. The benefits system is not crippling the country, the government's reluctance to properly tax their friends, or to even bother to collect the tax from International businesses trading in Britain costs the country infinitely more.
You are just another fool being led up the garden path by Tory propaganda, which targets the poor, sick and unemployed, and relies on the gullibility of fools like you to avoid proper scrutiny of its tax regime.
You are just another fool being led up the garden path by Tory propaganda, which targets the poor, sick and unemployed, and relies on the gullibility of fools like you to avoid proper scrutiny of its tax regime.
And yes, call me a taxi has a point, Labour's exponential expansion of the public sector and its laissez-faire approach to immigration - all to extend the influence and control of its client state - has damaged the country terribly.
So if we taxed businesses and wealthy individuals more we could afford to pay keep paying the ever increasing benefits (included pensions) that people are 'entitled' to and pay off the deficit?
Here's a radical idea...
Teach kids at school the skills to buy, store and cook food..
Amazing how cheap it is if you're shrewd. Very simple to feed yourself on £2 a day if you have half a brain.
Meanwhile, our schools teach kids algebra and about the 12th century Russian poet who had a dog called Rupert...
Teach kids at school the skills to buy, store and cook food..
Amazing how cheap it is if you're shrewd. Very simple to feed yourself on £2 a day if you have half a brain.
Meanwhile, our schools teach kids algebra and about the 12th century Russian poet who had a dog called Rupert...
MisterBadger - Yes, I have read it ....then again I don't beleive all I read!! nor should you.
dustybin
04 Aug 14 14:20
Big brave tories picking fights with the disabled and those with the audacity to have a spare room while 'Shareholder Value Maximization' runs the less well off into the ground.
The latest vote on the 'bedroom tax' appears to show that it's going to be scrapped.
04 Aug 14 14:20
Big brave tories picking fights with the disabled and those with the audacity to have a spare room while 'Shareholder Value Maximization' runs the less well off into the ground.
The latest vote on the 'bedroom tax' appears to show that it's going to be scrapped.
It's not a tax.
It's a reduction in housing benefit for those deemed to have surplus bedroom capacity in a house that is not theirs.
It's a reduction in housing benefit for those deemed to have surplus bedroom capacity in a house that is not theirs.
You can call it what the heck you want, it's criminal. Also a lie. The tories couldnt give a chinese shyte about freeing up 'surplus' bedrooms, they did to save money, stealing form the most vulnerable members of society like they always have, and always will. If they stay in power, which i very sincerely hope they don't, theyll be bringing back window tax.
Injera
11 Sep 14 22:04
It's not a tax.
It's a reduction in housing benefit for those deemed to have surplus bedroom capacity in a house that is not theirs.
Do you also object to your income tax paying for a rented property in Londons west end for those MPs who live in other parts of the country, whose wages you are already paying to the tune of £67,000 a year, with a 9% rise in the offing, the greedy cnunts.
11 Sep 14 22:04
It's not a tax.
It's a reduction in housing benefit for those deemed to have surplus bedroom capacity in a house that is not theirs.
Do you also object to your income tax paying for a rented property in Londons west end for those MPs who live in other parts of the country, whose wages you are already paying to the tune of £67,000 a year, with a 9% rise in the offing, the greedy cnunts.
Very intelligent response.
Are you female by any chance?
Are you female by any chance?
She went to Oxford
..... sorry I mean Oxfams to keep her JSA
..... sorry I mean Oxfams to keep her JSA
I do Taxi!!
As for Tony's remark, of course they're trying to free up surplus bedrooms! There is a long waiting list of folks needing houses currently occupied by people who don't need the space they have.
Under Labour the Housing Benefit bill rose from £8Bn to £26Bn! It HAS to be addressed.
As for Tony's remark, of course they're trying to free up surplus bedrooms! There is a long waiting list of folks needing houses currently occupied by people who don't need the space they have.
Under Labour the Housing Benefit bill rose from £8Bn to £26Bn! It HAS to be addressed.
Benefits/handouts ultimately come from other people's taxes. Your view on taxes depend on whether you are a net receiver or contributor.
If you're a net contributor , especially if you are for many years, you can be inclined to view it as basically the government stealing your hard earned to hand over to others.
If you're a net receiver you tend to view it as all fair society blah blah.
If you're a net contributor , especially if you are for many years, you can be inclined to view it as basically the government stealing your hard earned to hand over to others.
If you're a net receiver you tend to view it as all fair society blah blah.
Yeah to a certain degree , but when it comes down to it if you're a net contributor you tend to want to hand over as little as possible.
Thatcher brought in new deal... but labour progressed it to a working weapon on the poor. As someone who escaped down an alley way away from these sour plum civil servants. I feel as if i escaped from a rape gang. Applying for fictional jobs that were posted in their consoles. Mind game courses that went on from 13 weeks to 26 weeks. Getting sanctioned is now inescapable.
Prison now costs £90,000 per year on the state. After they release you they put you on a 'bounce back' course which costs £3,000. £93,000 they spend on you a year if you are a criminal.
£70 a week x 52 - £3,500 if you are unemployed.
Prison now costs £90,000 per year on the state. After they release you they put you on a 'bounce back' course which costs £3,000. £93,000 they spend on you a year if you are a criminal.
£70 a week x 52 - £3,500 if you are unemployed.
They should have to work in prison like they do in many of them in the USA.
jed.davison 11 Sep 14 18:04
That is an absolute falsehood frog2. The benefits system is not crippling the country, the government's reluctance to properly tax their friends, or to even bother to collect the tax from International businesses trading in Britain costs the country infinitely more.
You are just another fool being led up the garden path by Tory propaganda, which targets the poor, sick and unemployed, and relies on the gullibility of fools like you to avoid proper scrutiny of its tax regime.
Absolutely spot on. Tories have got people looking down, for the problems. Whereas everyone should look up, to the fat cats,bankers,tax avoiders . These parasites are the ones killing the economy and putting us into recession.
That is an absolute falsehood frog2. The benefits system is not crippling the country, the government's reluctance to properly tax their friends, or to even bother to collect the tax from International businesses trading in Britain costs the country infinitely more.
You are just another fool being led up the garden path by Tory propaganda, which targets the poor, sick and unemployed, and relies on the gullibility of fools like you to avoid proper scrutiny of its tax regime.
Absolutely spot on. Tories have got people looking down, for the problems. Whereas everyone should look up, to the fat cats,bankers,tax avoiders . These parasites are the ones killing the economy and putting us into recession.
Injera
12 Sep 14 17:57
I do Taxi!!
As for Tony's remark, of course they're trying to free up surplus bedrooms! There is a long waiting list of folks needing houses currently occupied by people who don't need the space they have.
Under Labour the Housing Benefit bill rose from £8Bn to £26Bn! It HAS to be addressed.
The simple solution to lower the annual housing benefit bill is to move all those that are out of work to where the cheapest rental properties are, wherever they are.
Even in sh!tholes like Newham in east London, 3-bed houses are over £300 a week. Not forgetting the somali family in the mansion in Fulham on £2,000 a week, and the 'widowed' (so she says) somali mother of 5 kids (who have a bedroom each ffs) in Kilburn, at £1,600 a week.
Move all long term unemployed Londoners to somewhere cheap.
That's the start.
12 Sep 14 17:57
I do Taxi!!
As for Tony's remark, of course they're trying to free up surplus bedrooms! There is a long waiting list of folks needing houses currently occupied by people who don't need the space they have.
Under Labour the Housing Benefit bill rose from £8Bn to £26Bn! It HAS to be addressed.
The simple solution to lower the annual housing benefit bill is to move all those that are out of work to where the cheapest rental properties are, wherever they are.
Even in sh!tholes like Newham in east London, 3-bed houses are over £300 a week. Not forgetting the somali family in the mansion in Fulham on £2,000 a week, and the 'widowed' (so she says) somali mother of 5 kids (who have a bedroom each ffs) in Kilburn, at £1,600 a week.
Move all long term unemployed Londoners to somewhere cheap.
That's the start.
Sep 12, 2014 -- 11:57AM, Injera wrote:
I do Taxi!!As for Tony's remark, of course they're trying to free up surplus bedrooms! There is a long waiting list of folks needing houses currently occupied by people who don't need the space they have.Under Labour the Housing Benefit bill rose from £8Bn to £26Bn! It HAS to be addressed.
The bedroom tax isn't a new thing.
About 10 years ago, when I found myself jobless and in dire financial straits, I had to ask for state assistance. I applied for JSA and for housing benefit, for the 3 bedroom cottage I'd been renting, problem-free, for the previous 2 years. I was told after all the form filling that (being single and with no kids at home) I didn't need that many rooms and they would only pay half the rent.
I explained that the £50(ish) JSA and half rent wouldn't keep the roof over my head, and I couldn't afford food, bills or anything else. I couldn't afford to pay for removal costs or a rental deposit.
The reply?
"Get a tent then"
Some things aren't party political as so many people on here try to make nearly every thread.
As for the housing bill. It's entirely possible that the increase (though I seriously doubt the figures quoted) is in large part due to greedy basstad landlords and parasitic estate agents ramping up rents because they know folk will have to find the money and can't get a mortgage.
Dewey, you write as someone who is lucky enough not to be suffering in the current climate and someone who completely lacks empathy. Just because you have no personal experience of something doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Of course there are poor sods having to rely on food banks. They would rather not have to.
There are probably as many people who have more money than they need or can spend, but these are the ones who want (and can afford to get) even more of it.
During WW1 the country was run by people who stood around drinking Brandy whilst sending 100's of thousands of men to their certain deaths. They persuaded the rest of the population that if these men weren't willing to be sent they would be given white feathers and ostracised. Added to this was imprisonment and firing squads.
An attitude which is feeling strangely familiar.
Some things never really change.
I explained that the £50(ish) JSA and half rent wouldn't keep the roof over my head, and I couldn't afford food, bills or anything else. I couldn't afford to pay for removal costs or a rental deposit.
The reply?
"Get a tent then"
Some things aren't party political as so many people on here try to make nearly every thread.
As for the housing bill. It's entirely possible that the increase (though I seriously doubt the figures quoted) is in large part due to greedy basstad landlords and parasitic estate agents ramping up rents because they know folk will have to find the money and can't get a mortgage.
Dewey, you write as someone who is lucky enough not to be suffering in the current climate and someone who completely lacks empathy. Just because you have no personal experience of something doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Of course there are poor sods having to rely on food banks. They would rather not have to.
There are probably as many people who have more money than they need or can spend, but these are the ones who want (and can afford to get) even more of it.
During WW1 the country was run by people who stood around drinking Brandy whilst sending 100's of thousands of men to their certain deaths. They persuaded the rest of the population that if these men weren't willing to be sent they would be given white feathers and ostracised. Added to this was imprisonment and firing squads.
An attitude which is feeling strangely familiar.
Some things never really change.
I came to the conclusion a long time ago that to a large extent none of the parties know what they are doing. The fact you can end up a government minister purely on the strength of your gob, with no real qualifications or experience relevant to the department, plus they then tend to be slaves to public opinion of their client voters, doesn’t make a good combination.
Basically the problem is we have too many professional politicians with too little real life experience.
How the fck can anyone take a millionaire never had a job Marxist like Miliband seriously as a potential leader of the country I’ll never know.
We have the situation where multinationals making billions here are paying f all tax (personally I feel any money made in the UK should pay our tax and I don’t care where else they have an office), people down the bottom end blatantly taking the p&ss with every intention of riding the system forever (have seen that first hand with in-laws even) , poor sods that seem to fall through all the gaps and getting squarely crapped on by life, people working all hours and getting a huge chunk of their hard earned dosh taken from them in the name of one thing or another.
What’s the solution? I don’t know because everybody has their own definition of what’s fair etc etc.
I haven’t had too many stints out of work and I’ve spent 80% of my working life working for myself plus my wage levels have gone from the bottom 10% to the top 10%, on balance I vote with my wallet and judging by the political so do many others but I can’t say I’m not disillusioned with things.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/default.stm
Basically the problem is we have too many professional politicians with too little real life experience.
How the fck can anyone take a millionaire never had a job Marxist like Miliband seriously as a potential leader of the country I’ll never know.
We have the situation where multinationals making billions here are paying f all tax (personally I feel any money made in the UK should pay our tax and I don’t care where else they have an office), people down the bottom end blatantly taking the p&ss with every intention of riding the system forever (have seen that first hand with in-laws even) , poor sods that seem to fall through all the gaps and getting squarely crapped on by life, people working all hours and getting a huge chunk of their hard earned dosh taken from them in the name of one thing or another.
What’s the solution? I don’t know because everybody has their own definition of what’s fair etc etc.
I haven’t had too many stints out of work and I’ve spent 80% of my working life working for myself plus my wage levels have gone from the bottom 10% to the top 10%, on balance I vote with my wallet and judging by the political so do many others but I can’t say I’m not disillusioned with things.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/default.stm
STUDYFORM
12 Sep 14 21:10
About 10 years ago, when I found myself jobless and in dire financial straits, I had to ask for state assistance. I applied for JSA and for housing benefit, for the 3 bedroom cottage I'd been renting, problem-free, for the previous 2 years. I was told after all the form filling that (being single and with no kids at home) I didn't need that many rooms and they would only pay half the rent.
I explained that the £50(ish) JSA and half rent wouldn't keep the roof over my head, and I couldn't afford food, bills or anything else. I couldn't afford to pay for removal costs or a rental deposit.
The reply?
"Get a tent then"
You should have painted your face and given yourself an asian name.
Is it?
Have you ever tried to get a council house in east London?
Have you ever tried to get a council house in east London?
Exit ? I was just exclaiming as to why an earth I would wish to get a council house in East London !
Enlighten me then, as you've never tried to get a council flat in east London, you have no idea what you're talking about.
What makes my comment disgraceful?
What makes my comment disgraceful?
I believe he was commenting re his belief that if you are not of anglo saxon origin , i.e. not white, then you are likely to receive preferential treatment at times when it comes to social housing.
If such preferential treatment does exist then it is that that is racist, not voicing your concern re it's potential existence.
If such preferential treatment does exist then it is that that is racist, not voicing your concern re it's potential existence.
And anyone who thinks only white people are racist need to stop viewing non-whites through the rose tinted view of the pages of the Guardian.
In my own first hand experience they are just as prone to it as whites.
In my own first hand experience they are just as prone to it as whites.
If you disclose that you "sofa surf" you'll never get a flat.
In my "lost years" I lived in a car and survived on cornflakes with water.
Now live in the sticks, 2 mins from the golf course, which just happens to be a predominantly white area.
I live in a car - UK Subs (been there done that)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcyYi8JRfs4
In my "lost years" I lived in a car and survived on cornflakes with water.
Now live in the sticks, 2 mins from the golf course, which just happens to be a predominantly white area.
I live in a car - UK Subs (been there done that)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcyYi8JRfs4
Facts 13 Sep 14 08:25
Because it's racist , stupid !
A bloke in a dart league I used to play in got married and had 2 kids.
They got a 2 bed council flat, after a short while they had a third child. Some time later they had a 4th child, and went to Newham Council to ask for a larger property.
He was in full time employment in East London Cemetery.
They were put 'on the housing list'
Time went by and they had two more children, but still no offer of a larger property.
As you can imagine it was getting crowded as the children grew older.
Meanwhile, another dart league player told him that him and his crew were building two new 5 bed council houses not far from the cemetery.
He went to the housing dept, and asked to have his name put down for one of them.
He was told that some properties will most probably remain empty for 'emergencies'.
He asked 'Isn't 6 children in a 2 bedroomed flat an emergency?'
Apparently not.
The fully employed white man with 6 kids had run out of room. The eldest two daughters went to live with their gran and grandad about a quarter of a mile away.
(This was many years before the 'bedroom tax' arrived, or they may have had to move to a smaller property. Which would have meant that the 2 daughters would have to stay in an overcrowded flat, or perhaps be put into care)
The white bloke and his wife didn't believe in contraception, and if kids arrived, they arrived.
The two 5 bed houses had tenants in them within three weeks of completion.
They weren't housed there as 'emergencies' waiting to go somewhere else, they never moved out.
Both families were asians.
Because it's racist , stupid !
A bloke in a dart league I used to play in got married and had 2 kids.
They got a 2 bed council flat, after a short while they had a third child. Some time later they had a 4th child, and went to Newham Council to ask for a larger property.
He was in full time employment in East London Cemetery.
They were put 'on the housing list'
Time went by and they had two more children, but still no offer of a larger property.
As you can imagine it was getting crowded as the children grew older.
Meanwhile, another dart league player told him that him and his crew were building two new 5 bed council houses not far from the cemetery.
He went to the housing dept, and asked to have his name put down for one of them.
He was told that some properties will most probably remain empty for 'emergencies'.
He asked 'Isn't 6 children in a 2 bedroomed flat an emergency?'
Apparently not.
The fully employed white man with 6 kids had run out of room. The eldest two daughters went to live with their gran and grandad about a quarter of a mile away.
(This was many years before the 'bedroom tax' arrived, or they may have had to move to a smaller property. Which would have meant that the 2 daughters would have to stay in an overcrowded flat, or perhaps be put into care)
The white bloke and his wife didn't believe in contraception, and if kids arrived, they arrived.
The two 5 bed houses had tenants in them within three weeks of completion.
They weren't housed there as 'emergencies' waiting to go somewhere else, they never moved out.
Both families were asians.
The obese racist Diane Abbott on the late night political slot with Michael Portaloo and Andrew Neill.
I was in my constituency surgery when a man came in and shouted 'Why do all the council houses go to immigrants?'
How did the fragrant Diane deal with this?
Did she:
A) Ask him to wait and she would discuss it?
B) Ask him to make an appointment to come back and discuss it?
C) Ignore him?
The answer is 'none of the above', she endeared herself to public on Nationwide Television by saying:
'I had my security team throw him out.'
You can safely bet your last pound that he was a white man.
And why would a 'popular' MP need a security team in her own surgery where she was democratically elected?
I was in my constituency surgery when a man came in and shouted 'Why do all the council houses go to immigrants?'
How did the fragrant Diane deal with this?
Did she:
A) Ask him to wait and she would discuss it?
B) Ask him to make an appointment to come back and discuss it?
C) Ignore him?
The answer is 'none of the above', she endeared herself to public on Nationwide Television by saying:
'I had my security team throw him out.'
You can safely bet your last pound that he was a white man.
And why would a 'popular' MP need a security team in her own surgery where she was democratically elected?
The 13:18 post is proof that some people have much better chances of getting a large council house than others.
Working man with 6 kids stayed on the housing list.
Asian family been in the UK for the proverbial '5 minutes' and got a 5 bedroomed house.
Welcome to multicultural Newham, where 25% of the population don't speak English as their first language.
It makes you wonder where all the immigrants would have gone upon arrival in the UK if Thatcher hadn't sold off most of the council house stock in the 1980s. Because thousands of the indigenous white wouldn't have moved out, and there wouldn't be thousands of private landlords.
Perhaps they'd have moved where Facts lives down his leafy lane.
Facts, you can post your usual response 'WALOFS' if you like, but it won't change things.
Working man with 6 kids stayed on the housing list.
Asian family been in the UK for the proverbial '5 minutes' and got a 5 bedroomed house.
Welcome to multicultural Newham, where 25% of the population don't speak English as their first language.
It makes you wonder where all the immigrants would have gone upon arrival in the UK if Thatcher hadn't sold off most of the council house stock in the 1980s. Because thousands of the indigenous white wouldn't have moved out, and there wouldn't be thousands of private landlords.
Perhaps they'd have moved where Facts lives down his leafy lane.
Facts, you can post your usual response 'WALOFS' if you like, but it won't change things.
The white bloke and his wife didn't believe in contraception, and if kids arrived, they arrived.
I could have sworn that on another thread a while back you blamed the many of the problems in Africa on the high birth rate... you can't have it both ways
I could have sworn that on another thread a while back you blamed the many of the problems in Africa on the high birth rate... you can't have it both ways
I could have sworn that on another thread a while back you blamed the many of the problems in Africa on the high birth rate... you can't have it both ways
How is he trying to have it both ways?
The first is his opinion, the second is a report of someone else's attitude not his.
How is he trying to have it both ways?
The first is his opinion, the second is a report of someone else's attitude not his.
I could have sworn that on another thread a while back you blamed the many of the problems in Africa on the high birth rate... you can't have it both ways
The birth rate in Africa has nothing whatsoever to do with who gets a council house in Newham, unless you'd care to explain the connection.
The question is why should the asian family, who had been here for the proverbial '5 minutes' get priority over the indigenous white man who works full time, and paid his taxes into govt. coffers?
The birth rate in Africa has nothing whatsoever to do with who gets a council house in Newham, unless you'd care to explain the connection.
The question is why should the asian family, who had been here for the proverbial '5 minutes' get priority over the indigenous white man who works full time, and paid his taxes into govt. coffers?
MisterBadger 15 Sep 14 22:11
are you talking to yourself, btw?
Talking to people like Facts is the same thing.
Somebody else posted on a thread a few weeks back 'too much immigration.'
The Facts response was something like 'Your ignorance is staggering.'
Within a few hours I used his response, along with northernlad's quote of 'Immigration has a nett fiscal positive', and not for the first time, posted a stack of figures, and asked for a response.
As with every other time I posted them, there was no response.
are you talking to yourself, btw?
Talking to people like Facts is the same thing.
Somebody else posted on a thread a few weeks back 'too much immigration.'
The Facts response was something like 'Your ignorance is staggering.'
Within a few hours I used his response, along with northernlad's quote of 'Immigration has a nett fiscal positive', and not for the first time, posted a stack of figures, and asked for a response.
As with every other time I posted them, there was no response.
The birth rate in Africa has nothing whatsoever to do with who gets a council house in Newham, unless you'd care to explain the connection.
I didn't say it did - there clearly is no connection.
The point I was making was that on the other thread you were critical of the high birth rates in african countries, and implied that african families should not have so many children as this adds to their problems. When it comes to a white british family, however, you seem to think it perfectly acceptable for them to breed like rabbits and then expect to receive priority treatment. I was just wondering about the reason for your inconsistency.
(Unfortunately I can't remember when the previous thread was so can't quote from it directly, so if it wasn't you that was advocating greater "self control" for africans then ignore the above - but I'm pretty sure it was you).
Speaking of connections, what has the council housing policy in newham got to do with a man who died as a direct result of his benefits being stopped?
I didn't say it did - there clearly is no connection.
The point I was making was that on the other thread you were critical of the high birth rates in african countries, and implied that african families should not have so many children as this adds to their problems. When it comes to a white british family, however, you seem to think it perfectly acceptable for them to breed like rabbits and then expect to receive priority treatment. I was just wondering about the reason for your inconsistency.
(Unfortunately I can't remember when the previous thread was so can't quote from it directly, so if it wasn't you that was advocating greater "self control" for africans then ignore the above - but I'm pretty sure it was you).
Speaking of connections, what has the council housing policy in newham got to do with a man who died as a direct result of his benefits being stopped?
There was a time when having a large family was the norm in Britain. Nobody starved. In Africa millions
starve. That is the difference. Also until the arrival of millions of immigrants the large British family who
such as this who worked and paid taxes would have a council house.
starve. That is the difference. Also until the arrival of millions of immigrants the large British family who
such as this who worked and paid taxes would have a council house.
Humans have more children when deaths in infants is high, through disease. There is an over compensation by parents to attempt balance.
If it wasn`t for this human response to high mortality in infants, none of us would be here.
If it wasn`t for this human response to high mortality in infants, none of us would be here.
If it wasn`t for this human response to high mortality in infants, none of us would be here.
What a load of tripe.
So which disease should we blame as the reason for producing you Gabrial?
More likely he was an accident caused through drink, conceived on the back seat of a coach coming back from a day trip to the seaside.
What a load of tripe.
So which disease should we blame as the reason for producing you Gabrial?
More likely he was an accident caused through drink, conceived on the back seat of a coach coming back from a day trip to the seaside.
^^^ that is a myth, in purely historical terms humanshad large families
because there was no effective way of preventing it. The human race has
never been in danger of extinction through disease or lack of population
simply because it is so easy to remedy!
because there was no effective way of preventing it. The human race has
never been in danger of extinction through disease or lack of population
simply because it is so easy to remedy!
MisterBadger
16 Sep 14 09:11
Speaking of connections, what has the council housing policy in newham got to do with a man who died as a direct result of his benefits being stopped?
I responded to this post
STUDYFORM
12 Sep 14 21:10
About 10 years ago, when I found myself jobless and in dire financial straits, I had to ask for state assistance. I applied for JSA and for housing benefit, for the 3 bedroom cottage I'd been renting, problem-free, for the previous 2 years. I was told after all the form filling that (being single and with no kids at home) I didn't need that many rooms and they would only pay half the rent.
I explained that the £50(ish) JSA and half rent wouldn't keep the roof over my head, and I couldn't afford food, bills or anything else. I couldn't afford to pay for removal costs or a rental deposit.
The reply?
"Get a tent then"
You should have painted your face and given yourself an asian name.
And it went on from there, with me, as usual, being accused of racism.
Try to keep up.
16 Sep 14 09:11
Speaking of connections, what has the council housing policy in newham got to do with a man who died as a direct result of his benefits being stopped?
I responded to this post
STUDYFORM
12 Sep 14 21:10
About 10 years ago, when I found myself jobless and in dire financial straits, I had to ask for state assistance. I applied for JSA and for housing benefit, for the 3 bedroom cottage I'd been renting, problem-free, for the previous 2 years. I was told after all the form filling that (being single and with no kids at home) I didn't need that many rooms and they would only pay half the rent.
I explained that the £50(ish) JSA and half rent wouldn't keep the roof over my head, and I couldn't afford food, bills or anything else. I couldn't afford to pay for removal costs or a rental deposit.
The reply?
"Get a tent then"
You should have painted your face and given yourself an asian name.
And it went on from there, with me, as usual, being accused of racism.
Try to keep up.
MisterBadger
The point I was making was that on the other thread you were critical of the high birth rates in african countries, and implied that african families should not have so many children as this adds to their problems. When it comes to a white british family, however, you seem to think it perfectly acceptable for them to breed like rabbits and then expect to receive priority treatment. I was just wondering about the reason for your inconsistency.
The high birth rates in Africa led to more people starving than there were before Bob Geldof got involved in 1986.
The more he saved, the more were born, so more were starving, and more died.
It may not be a palatable fact, but if Africa was a racehorse, you'd shoot it.
Extremely naive of you to have mentioned the 'white British family' while neglecting to mention the 'asian family' at all.
Breed like rabbits?
Asian families got both the 5 bedroomed houses.
Why would they get a property as large as this, unless they also 'bred like rabbits' and had a lot of children.
Both white and asian men have large families.
Both need larger properties.
The men of the house
A) One has been here all his life.
B) One has been here '5 minutes'.
C) One has worked all his adult life,
D) One has never worked in the UK.
E) One was on the housing list for a few years.
F) One was 'fresh off the plane' from somewhere like Bangladesh.
G) They both require the same size property.
A, C, E & G are the same person he is white.
B, D, F & G are the same person, he is asian.
In a normal world, if somebody has to get the house, which is the purpose they are built for, I say that ACEG should be give the first priority as he has been waiting longer.
Not to mention that he has paid into govt coffers by working all his adult life.
But it transpired that ACEG got neither of the 2 new 5 bedroomed houses, they went to two BDFG's.
And you think that's a fair decision?
The point I was making was that on the other thread you were critical of the high birth rates in african countries, and implied that african families should not have so many children as this adds to their problems. When it comes to a white british family, however, you seem to think it perfectly acceptable for them to breed like rabbits and then expect to receive priority treatment. I was just wondering about the reason for your inconsistency.
The high birth rates in Africa led to more people starving than there were before Bob Geldof got involved in 1986.
The more he saved, the more were born, so more were starving, and more died.
It may not be a palatable fact, but if Africa was a racehorse, you'd shoot it.
Extremely naive of you to have mentioned the 'white British family' while neglecting to mention the 'asian family' at all.
Breed like rabbits?
Asian families got both the 5 bedroomed houses.
Why would they get a property as large as this, unless they also 'bred like rabbits' and had a lot of children.
Both white and asian men have large families.
Both need larger properties.
The men of the house
A) One has been here all his life.
B) One has been here '5 minutes'.
C) One has worked all his adult life,
D) One has never worked in the UK.
E) One was on the housing list for a few years.
F) One was 'fresh off the plane' from somewhere like Bangladesh.
G) They both require the same size property.
A, C, E & G are the same person he is white.
B, D, F & G are the same person, he is asian.
In a normal world, if somebody has to get the house, which is the purpose they are built for, I say that ACEG should be give the first priority as he has been waiting longer.
Not to mention that he has paid into govt coffers by working all his adult life.
But it transpired that ACEG got neither of the 2 new 5 bedroomed houses, they went to two BDFG's.
And you think that's a fair decision?
It's a crying shame the way the do-gooders have ruined our welfare system and public services for the benefit of foreigners.
No wonder Labour have lost so many voters since 1997, they'll put any toe-rags in front of their own people.
Newcomers to this country should go straight to the bottom of any begging list regardless of their needs.
No wonder Labour have lost so many voters since 1997, they'll put any toe-rags in front of their own people.
Newcomers to this country should go straight to the bottom of any begging list regardless of their needs.
Labour Party Legacy - that's what we all have to live with - no good complaining now.
call me a taxi
13 Sep 14 01:57
Enlighten me then, as you've never tried to get a council flat in east London, you have no idea what you're talking about.
What makes my comment disgraceful?
Facts
13 Sep 14 08:25
Because it's racist , stupid !
^^^^ Not returned with more pearls of wisdom or his catchphrase 'WALOFS' in 60 hours.
I wonder why not?
13 Sep 14 01:57
Enlighten me then, as you've never tried to get a council flat in east London, you have no idea what you're talking about.
What makes my comment disgraceful?
Facts
13 Sep 14 08:25
Because it's racist , stupid !
^^^^ Not returned with more pearls of wisdom or his catchphrase 'WALOFS' in 60 hours.
I wonder why not?
no good complaining now.
dewey,
Many like me have been consistent in condemning the high levels of immigration into this country, under both Labour and to a lesser extent before them under the Tories.
Of course we have to keep complaining, and we'll keep complaining until the working classes see the Labour party for what they are.
Which is self serving career politicians whose actions end up by ruining the lives of the working people of this country.
dewey,
Many like me have been consistent in condemning the high levels of immigration into this country, under both Labour and to a lesser extent before them under the Tories.
Of course we have to keep complaining, and we'll keep complaining until the working classes see the Labour party for what they are.
Which is self serving career politicians whose actions end up by ruining the lives of the working people of this country.
Facts is probably the sort of forumite who says 'Why should I subsidise somebody in a cheaper rent council house if he wants a lot of children.'
She obviously can't post that here as both the 5 bedroomed houses went to asian families, and she's a confirmed luvvie, and as we all know, luvvies don't knock the asians.
There can be no logical explanation (other than queuing on housing lists are total bollocks for a white family) why the asian family got priority over over the white family.
40 years ago the white family would have been threatened by Newham Council with eviction for overcrowding.
Back then, all Newham Council rent cards had the maximum number of persons allowed to reside there, printed on them.
You don't get overcrowding cases in court in Newham these days.
She obviously can't post that here as both the 5 bedroomed houses went to asian families, and she's a confirmed luvvie, and as we all know, luvvies don't knock the asians.
There can be no logical explanation (other than queuing on housing lists are total bollocks for a white family) why the asian family got priority over over the white family.
40 years ago the white family would have been threatened by Newham Council with eviction for overcrowding.
Back then, all Newham Council rent cards had the maximum number of persons allowed to reside there, printed on them.
You don't get overcrowding cases in court in Newham these days.
What is working class in 21st century Britain?
Manufacturing is down to its bare bones - No investment - No new inventions.
We've become a nation of faceless warehouse operators and coffee shop junkies - Both businesses charge premium rates and in return pay their staff a pittance.
Today's list of warehouse vacancies range from £6.31 ph (and you will be grateful) to £7.84 ph. Coffee shops assistants £6.31 ph nap. No doubt an extra 1p ph for those living in the capital.
On one of the job sites i was wasting my time on. I mean job hunting/researching, was a link to a host of job vacancies for Harrods - All had over 100 applications ranging from executives personal assistant (only total stunners need apply), to working on the deli counter...ie,,,customer service assistant.
These positions showed no hourly rates of pay, just "competitive rates?"
Working class indeed!
Manufacturing is down to its bare bones - No investment - No new inventions.
We've become a nation of faceless warehouse operators and coffee shop junkies - Both businesses charge premium rates and in return pay their staff a pittance.
Today's list of warehouse vacancies range from £6.31 ph (and you will be grateful) to £7.84 ph. Coffee shops assistants £6.31 ph nap. No doubt an extra 1p ph for those living in the capital.
On one of the job sites i was wasting my time on. I mean job hunting/researching, was a link to a host of job vacancies for Harrods - All had over 100 applications ranging from executives personal assistant (only total stunners need apply), to working on the deli counter...ie,,,customer service assistant.
These positions showed no hourly rates of pay, just "competitive rates?"
Working class indeed!
Even when I went to school in the 80s it was obvious that if you didn’t have qualifications and/or recognised skills you would be fkd. So I got my head down from an early age and went into IT, while many of my peers in the North East, who had exactly the same chance as me, p&ssed around at school and ended up as YTS fodder. As such these days I’m at point X and they’re a long way behind that.
If you don’t have qualifications and/or real skills you’ll probably be doing menial low paid sh&te forever, fighting for work against the latest batch of client labour voters that have been imported, because labour has worked out that the English have a tendency to not vote for them if they’re actually getting ahead in life.
The last labour government made a good stab and screwing the IT industry , well they’re not natural labour voters so why not, by allowing companies to send large chunks of work to India or bring them here en masse. That has made it much harder to find work and the wages out there have been stagnant for over 10 years.
If you don’t have qualifications and/or real skills you’ll probably be doing menial low paid sh&te forever, fighting for work against the latest batch of client labour voters that have been imported, because labour has worked out that the English have a tendency to not vote for them if they’re actually getting ahead in life.
The last labour government made a good stab and screwing the IT industry , well they’re not natural labour voters so why not, by allowing companies to send large chunks of work to India or bring them here en masse. That has made it much harder to find work and the wages out there have been stagnant for over 10 years.
If you don’t have qualifications and/or real skills you’ll probably be doing menial low paid sh&te forever,
Every year the G.C.S.E. pass rates and grades get better.
There can't possibly be that much improvement in the education system.
There are only two possible reasons that the stats are up that high.
1) The exams are not hard enough.
2) The teachers tell the thickest students that there's no point in sitting exams as they won't pass.
I'd suggest it was option 1.
Every year the G.C.S.E. pass rates and grades get better.
There can't possibly be that much improvement in the education system.
There are only two possible reasons that the stats are up that high.
1) The exams are not hard enough.
2) The teachers tell the thickest students that there's no point in sitting exams as they won't pass.
I'd suggest it was option 1.
course work counts to final grade
open to manipulation
open to manipulation
The whole lot has been dumbed down, it’s too easy to get As , no one is allowed to fail and feel bad. Yeah real life is just like that!
It started out where everyone was winner at sports day and went from there.
Now you have kids going to uni doing nonsense courses and then wonder why they're working in Pizza Hut or a call centre forever.
It started out where everyone was winner at sports day and went from there.
Now you have kids going to uni doing nonsense courses and then wonder why they're working in Pizza Hut or a call centre forever.
My eldest grand-daughter has never had a school sports day 
and she's 11.
Moved out of Barking and started senior school last week in Colchester. I haven't asked her if they have a sports day yet, but I hope so.
Her mum had the 50 metres dash in the bag at junior school, only to slow down and wait for her best friend, so they could cross the line together, holding hands.
Thank fack I wasn't betting on it
and she's 11. Moved out of Barking and started senior school last week in Colchester. I haven't asked her if they have a sports day yet, but I hope so.
Her mum had the 50 metres dash in the bag at junior school, only to slow down and wait for her best friend, so they could cross the line together, holding hands.
Thank fack I wasn't betting on it
How could I forget the call centre mob. Hardly a skill though is it?
Phoning the same people numerous times a day from a hidden number and making their lives a misery
I'd love to see a CV of a successful call centre applicant.
Not one single cold caller lasts more than 5 seconds when i've answered the phone.
Utter bastards!
Fess up...who on here works or has worked in a call centre, and which suicide option did you choose from the list provided? The list is a mandatory tool of the business.
Phoning the same people numerous times a day from a hidden number and making their lives a misery
I'd love to see a CV of a successful call centre applicant.
Not one single cold caller lasts more than 5 seconds when i've answered the phone.
Utter bastards!
Fess up...who on here works or has worked in a call centre, and which suicide option did you choose from the list provided? The list is a mandatory tool of the business.
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