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left to die with £3.44 in his bank account because of benefit sanctions
left to die with £3.44 in his bank account because of benefit sanctions
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xmoneyx • August 5, 2014 10:32 AM BST
if you think there's full employment your deluded the ones that don't want work are a tiny percentage not where I am xmomeyx  Anyway I remember we had full employment in the 60's..or as good as so we should have it now.....my personal benchmark I ask of government and less immigration |
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Investments as a share of national income has fallen in the U.S. from 20.5 percent in the 80s to 18.7 percent in the period after. (The states and GB are two of the most ardent followers of this policy) this resulted in the per capita income growth rate to fall from 2.6 percent to 1.6 percent per annum.
The model doesn't work. It's a simple question. Should people with money be rewarded over people putting in skills and effort? In my view no, the addiction to speculate whether a figure rises or falls is nothing to be rewarded for simply because one has money if that profit is coming in the form of degrading the overall economy and the companies themselves just to increase wealth for the minority. |
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I agree dusty...I think
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lfc1971 04 Aug 14 13:46
Too much immigration. Totally agree, they've given away the jobs and houses of working class people who were born here. |
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The Knight • August 5, 2014 10:30 AM BST
However, the point about state-owned industries being sold off shows how ignorant the majority are about economics in this country. Right back atcha! Or have you just been brainwashed a bit? The main difference between now and the past, is that EVERYTHING is done for profit or maximum financial benefit. No-one seems content to just make a decent living. Each year, corporations HAVE to make MORE profit than the last or it is seen as failure. All the money has to come from somewhere and that somewhere isn't the people with bundles of it wrapped up in investment, property or savings. It comes from squeezing every last bit out of those who have not much to start with. All this is among other things) the result of privatisation. For example, and this will apply to the poor bloke in the above article; PAYG mobiles and Electicity/Gas cards are for the people who cannot afford to have a contract or monthly payment set-up, often through bad credit ratings/unemployment. Yet, they are by a long way the most expensive way to have what would be considered basic necessities. |
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Stopping someone's benefits because they failed to attend two interviews is perfectly fair.
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Duncan smith has admitted the bedroom tax disgrace has saved money - tho of course the gov't lied when it was implemented, by saying houses had to have their extra bedrooms freed up as it was unfair. Total lies. As if the gov't care about such trivialites...but so long as theyre obtaining money - eve at the expense of those who can least afford it - that's all that counts.
Same goes for the erroneous waiting lists for pip...they have been hoping people will tire of waiting, will get better, many disabled people after having attended their medical are refused, and the ones whos tick with things and appeal then receive the pip - but - many have given up and not bothered appealing, hence the gov't save even more money from the most vulnerable...they allow all the utilty companies to get away with murder, fleecing the poor, making us frightened to even keep warm... the rich will continue to get richer, this has always been the case, the ordinary bloke in the street is left with the crumbs from the rich man's table when it's usually that same ordinary bloke who has slogged his guts out to make the rich what they are, apart of course from the real upper class are born into money. |
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It makes you wonder why these idle types don't simply get a job.
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The next shift in thinking will be to convince the great unwashed that we are lucky to have the multinationals here at all and if we ask them to pay any tax we risk losing the jobs and prosperity that they bring...
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TtO
Who else foots the bill for the massive welfare state we have created? Certainly not the unemployed. |
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The unemployed, the barstads, eh?
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Dr Crippen • August 5, 2014 1:37 PM BST
It makes you wonder why these idle types don't simply get a job. that would be reasonable if there was job.....my point there are not Cameron has deliberately driven up unemployment as Thatcher did large numbers of public service workers have been laid off...he has pursued austerity, private forms have been forced to lay people off I regard these policies as morally unacceptable there is no moral basis for the Tories, since they adopted monetarism, Thatcher on I think this person was a victim, very vulnerable myself |
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Still they are voted in....so it is us as well
We also get cheap imports...but there is a price for this, there comes a point when it is not worth paying although I accept we live in a competitive world |
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ebulGery the immigrants seem to find jobs without too much trouble.
Why can't the unemployed do the same? |
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Dr Crippen • August 5, 2014 1:45 PM BST
TtO Who else foots the bill for the massive welfare state we have created? Certainly not the unemployed. The point is if the agenda wasnt to run the workforce down to pay the people at the top with money, more then there would be more money to reward work. Rewarding work was supposedly what the government was doing, not punishing not working. The poorest pay 43% of their wage in taxes as apposed to the richest who pay 35%, so Id suggest by percentage its the poor. |
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*the working poor
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people so 5hit scared of losing their 'good thing' that they wont listen to reason.
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dustybin,
If we had to depend on the working poor to fund the welfare state we wouldn't have one. What should we reward work when we've got a ready supply of cheap labour coming in from the EU? We have to keep niggling at the unemployed to find work or there'd soon be more unemployed that there are working. |
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Find WHAT work?
There are more people than jobs, there are people, who are a bit older and not being taken on for work even when they find it. Big corporations are taking advantage on FREE employees thanks to government programmes so they won't be paying anyone new when they don't need to. Not having a job isn't a crime. There are millions suffering and feeling like criminals through Govt spin and attitudes like yours Crippen. |
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Because if you dont reward work with its true value in relation to living standards within the economy its in, and simply reduce wages then that will drag the whole system down with it.
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Also.
Which is seldom factored in. Many many people earn a very low wage and have to hold down 2 (or more jobs) just to pay the ridiculously inflated bills we're subjected to - in the name of profit and 'good business'. If they earned a living wage this wouldn't be needed, and more jobs would be freed up. |
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Its all wrong to keep dragging out the immigration issue as though thats the reason for all our problems. I t has always been the case of blaming outsiders through history.
The reality is that immigration is controlled, some suggest not strongly enough but there is little choice in the matter. Its not optional, the government have to comply with directives. Its like saying people enjoy paying tax. They dont but its part of the game. If you want to trade in the markets then you have to comply to the rules. |
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Facts
05 Aug 14 08:49 lfc1971 04 Aug 14 13:46 Too much immigration. Facts 05 Aug 14 08:49 your ignorance is staggering. The UK is not a country, it is a business. To keep the numbers simple: I pay a man to trim the trees now and again in my garden. There are 4 or 5 local people who can do this job. But I only have to pay one. If you have 2 million people who have no work, but have to pay them wages (JSA and other benefits) what sort of CEO takes on another 2 million 'staff' from outside the UK, and has to pay an unknown number of before they get here, as well. If they wanted to sanction benefits they should have implemented this BEFORE letting too many immigrants come here, and warned the unemployed of their intended actions. OR only allowed in skilled professionals, who can do the jobs that the current unemployed could't do, and turn back ALL unskilled labourers. There are too many here, that's a fact. How much income tax do the working immigrants pay in each year collectively? Will it cover the cost of benefits paid to those that don't work? Redistribute all the prisoners in the UK with all the immigrant prisoners being separated into their own prisons. See how much it costs to run those prisons. Add that to the benefits paid to the unemployed immigrants. Add the cost of deporting illegal immigrants (when Border Patrol can find them) which after appeals, as nobody goes quietly, cost £18,000 EACH. Add that to the benefits paid to the unemployed immigrants, and the cost of the prison service. Don't forget to add the £5billion annual bill in tax credits for low paid immigrants. Again, how much do the immigrant workers pay in income tax per year? Is there a nett profit? |
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only allowed in skilled professionals, who can do the jobs that the current unemployed could't do, and turn back ALL unskilled labourers.
here in east anglia, you will not find one english person who will go into the fields to pick vegetables... F A C T.. Can you imagine the outcry froim the masses if all the immigrants get the best jobs and leave the sh!t to the English....  |
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how much do they earn?
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Who picked the vegetables before the immigrants arrived?
Stop the benefits of they refuse to take a job. That's how it used to work. |
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here in east anglia, you will not find one english person who will go into the fields to pick vegetables... F A C T..
I live in west Norfolk. A lot of youngsters, and it seemed a higher percentage than lther counties, know what work is like so here, and joined the armed forces instead. This has been posted before: Did anybody see the farmer on the BBC documentary in Wisbech last year? Much news was made of how hard the immigrants worked, and the way that a handful of locals plucked from Wisbech Jobcentre didn’t. One was 17, and 'his mummy' looked after him, he had a playstation, computer, mobile phone, and had never worked. Another was in his late 30s and weighed about 18 stones. Another was an out of work plumber. I think there were 5 altogether. The farmer seemed displeased that he had to pay the locals £6-19p an hour no matter how much asparagus they picked, while the eastern Europeans were working their nuts off. Two things the programme never mentioned: 1) The asparagus picking season only lasts a few weeks. Less than 3 weeks after the programme ended, the hard working eastern Europeans were queuing alongside the locals for their JSA at Wisbech Jobcentre. 2) Why did the BBC lackey not ask the farmer and his father how they managed not to go bankrupt with only locals to pick his crops for 50 years, before the eastern Europeans came to the UK. Because picking fruit or vegetables is not a 12 month job. He didn’t want to admit that before the eastern Europeans got here that he employed locals, and paid them am extremely low rate of pay, cash in hand, while they signed on for JSA. |
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a damn good thrashing is what's needed, give them the birch
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Right B_B, now you're talking.
Flog 'em till they drop. Then when they come round give it to them again. Ah Jim lad. |
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I was on about you
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2) Why did the BBC lackey not ask the farmer and his father how they managed not to go bankrupt with only locals to pick his crops for 50 years, before the eastern Europeans came to the UK.
because we all like cheap asparagus, and Tescos et al have forced the farmers to produce it cheaper and cheaper....... |
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One was 17, and 'his mummy' looked after him, he had a playstation, computer, mobile phone, and had never worked. Another was in his late 30s and weighed about 18 stones. Another was an out of work plumber. I think there were 5 altogether.
Was it Koi ? |
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Very difficult to get the truth from a farmer.
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They must have picked some of the least employable types from the job centre for the programme.
It was all set up to suggest we can't do without the immigrants. Like I said, we managed okay before they started coming here. |
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A tragic case...
I'm uneasy with the attitude that blaming the DWP is the right course of action. The Govt rightfully expect families and friends of those in need to make a contribution. This poor man was too proud to ask for help those closest to him yet there seems to be blame attached to the Govt who he was asking for assistance. They have their policies and they were helping him. At no point did Mr Clapson appeal or request a hardship payment. The DWP said they sent a letter to him explaining how to apply for these funds. They also spoke to him on the phone about this. The letter remained unopened. I'm not sure they can be blamed when his family and friends were apparently happy to let the Govt do what they could have helped with.. |
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Why didn't the headline read ''Family stand by while unemployed man dies?''
Surely his family knew him better than the authorities? Then again, anti coalition stuff is what you expect to read in the Guardian |
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That's a tragic article which miserably reflects the reality for a lot of people
Crippen - you & your ilk are "I'm alright Jack" fcukin' SCUM  |
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Gibberish,
You sound like a right low life. Get a job and try standing on your own two feet you idle turd. |
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what is this thread about ?
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Bath murderers losing their WRAG..
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