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By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 11 Dec 12 14:43
It`s not my partners family. Her step dad is a relation. Generalising about the entire family is poor.
By:
moisok
When: 11 Dec 12 14:44
wouldn't let any of them near my children

wouldn't allow any association with the family either

some people have no idea of caring for their children

and apologists try to make excuses for people who have no idea how to behave properly
in society   

of course he is being obtuse and deflecting

most of those who make excuses for these sort of people do this - it is their one clearly defined tactic.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 11 Dec 12 14:44
What happens to the kids when the mother goes to work? The ex con boyfriend looks after the kids.

Which bit is obtuse?
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 11 Dec 12 14:50
wouldn't let any of them near my children

Who are you talking about? the mother, the Gran, the uncles, the great uncles?? Do you know much about the great uncles?
By:
blackburn1
When: 11 Dec 12 17:04
We know plenty about the bloke that killed her, so did his girlfriends.

Really don't know what your point is here gabrial, you lie down with dogs you get fleas, getting involved with scumbags is irresponsible at best.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 11 Dec 12 17:39
My point is that there are disfunctional families with scumbgs acting as the male guardian throughout our society.

If you think about it, there must be thousands of kids at risk from men with criminal pasts. I am therefore surprised more kids are not murdered if these men are liable to be child murderers.

In actual fact children are more in danger from depressed biological parents.
By:
posy
When: 11 Dec 12 18:01
simple rule to abide by ...never leave a child with a man whose decorated himself with tatoos as he's obviously barking.
By:
Quvega
When: 11 Dec 12 20:08
....... or one that having slept with your daughter, turns his attentions to you
By:
Quvega
When: 11 Dec 12 20:08
....... or one that having slept with your daughter, turns his attentions to you
By:
tobermory
When: 07 May 13 17:48
Trial has begun  Sad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22433295
By:
A_T
When: 07 May 13 18:50
some terrible stuff in court today Sad
By:
xmoneyx
When: 07 May 13 19:17
Gabriel must be hard for family listening to what's coming out---the guys evil
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 07 May 13 19:32
If the police suspected him from the start and they knew he didn`t drive then perhaps they should have been more thorough in searching the loft instead of implementing Christine into it.

Evidence is still needed to convict him of murder. It`s a mess.
By:
tobermory
When: 07 May 13 19:38
seems to be a sizeable amount of evidence Sad
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 07 May 13 19:45
The jurors will have to decide though Tobe, can they be sure it wasn`t an accident. The autopsy was inconclusive regarding cause.

There will be other questions raised as well.Sad
By:
A_T
When: 07 May 13 19:52
the jury can decide what they want - if he tries to claim an accident (like Huntley and Tabak) and the jury don't believe him it's murder.

1.01 verdict will be guilty of murder
By:
tobermory
When: 07 May 13 19:58
surprised he is pleading anything but guilty reading the photographic evidence they have

does sound like the Huntley defence will be used
By:
rob_dylan
When: 07 May 13 20:44
I imagine i would panic if a tragic accident happened when i was the only adult but fk me dont think i would wrap up the body and hide it in the loft.  He is clearly guilty.  Wasnt his napeighbour also under suspicion?  Surely guilty, sadly sexually motivated too.  I also cant be having any excuses from the cops, they should have found the body earlier.  It was sad, embarassing and ultimately tragic at a time when the country was on a high duringthe olympics.
By:
Helissio
When: 07 May 13 20:51
A sex toy with blood on it was found, how is he going to explain that?
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 08 May 13 00:41
That would matter if we knew whose blood it was.
By:
Helissio
When: 08 May 13 01:18
Its her blood according to http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/07/tia-sharp-stuart-hazell_n_3229467.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Prosecutor Andrew Edis QC said that a sex toy with Tia's blood on it was found at her grandmother's house after she died.
By:
minardi
When: 08 May 13 09:15
Yesterdays news was truly terrible - even the six o'clock news contained so much child molestation , murder and kidnapping i really didnt want my kids to see. You would like to think when this scumbag gets to prison he will be torn to pieces and live his life in fear - but i strongly suspect the entire secure wing is filling up with these evil perverts now.
By:
moisok
When: 08 May 13 13:27
if we had the death penalty at least he wouldn't do it again
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 08 May 13 13:40
Don't start the luvvies off
By:
Clungehungry
When: 08 May 13 14:07
Shut it gayboy.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 13 May 13 12:29
Changed his plea to guilty.
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 13 May 13 12:57
Only so he gets a reduced sentence
By:
naydam
When: 13 May 13 13:18
They should 'farm' his body for any useful component parts and just dispose of the rest.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 13 May 13 14:19
this case an April case is so depressing
By:
elisjohn
When: 13 May 13 16:43
but surely a reduced sentence means the same here surely that he wont ever be coming out , so whats the point of pleading guilty
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 13 May 13 16:51
Murder of a child involving sexual conduct should mean a `whole life order`
By:
blackburn1
When: 13 May 13 17:10
gabrial's stance here is extraordinary.

From, he cant have done it the family love him, to they won't get a conviction, and finally he pleads guilty.
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 13 May 13 18:38
An absoulte monster, hope he gets the full torture treatment inside.
By:
moisok
When: 13 May 13 19:28
I see they all come out of the woodwork now saying what a nasty bit of work he was
I make the comment that along the lines of 'they would NOW wouldn't they'  .Then i get told they did and they have previously - locals etc    OH YEAH!!!!   anyway the CCDA were on to him as a wrong 'un
You only had to look.!!!
By:
rob_dylan
When: 13 May 13 19:32
He wont get a reduced sentence surely.  Prob get life with at least forty years before being eligible for parole like huntley.  Maybe he was telling the truth and thinks the family have been through enough.
By:
A_T
When: 13 May 13 19:37
Guilty of murder verdict was inevitable - his brief probably told him as much and he might as well fess up. Doubt it will do him any good though.
By:
A_T
When: 13 May 13 19:38
Angel the phrase you are looking for is "whole life tariff"
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 13 May 13 19:47
I was just going by this A-T

Where the offender is 21 or over at the time of the offence and the court takes the view that the murder is so grave that the offender should spend the rest of his life in prison, a 'whole life order' is the appropriate starting point. The early release provisions in section 28 of the Crime (Sentences) Act 1997 will then not apply. Such an order should only be specified where the court considers that the seriousness of the offence is exceptionally high. Such cases include:

a) the murder of two or more persons where each murder involves a substantial degree of premeditation, the abduction of the victim, or sexual or sadistic conduct;
b) the murder of a child if involving the abduction of the child or sexual or sadistic motivation;
c) a murder done for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause; or
d) a murder by an offender previously convicted of murder.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 13 May 13 19:47
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_-_mandatory_life_sentences_in_murder_cases/#an05
By:
A_T
When: 13 May 13 19:58
Fair enough.

Incidentally I don't think chit-chat favourites Huntley and Vincent Tabak are not subject to this tariff. And many will remember the embarrassing occasion when the CDDA imposed its own "whole life tariff" on the Bristol landlord before he was even arrested. The wrong-un test is not infallible though it was spot on with Hazell.
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