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39 year old is neighbour, Paul Meehan.
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Provided a statement saying he'd seen Tia leaving, corroborating the family's story.
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Adjoining lofts too.....
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Crikey.
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It seems like they had plenty of time to work out a plan before they called the alarm on the poor girls disapperance.
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tbh.. this poor girl never left the house.
think we can dismiss the theory of moving/bringing back body. |
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One wonders what might have been in it for him
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evil and so fooking thick that they thought they could get away with it, allegedly....
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Gran is a carer whoever asked.
Perhaps the police cant believe the incompetence of themselves and are forcing the fact that the body must have been moved. Along with SH blaming others for his crime. |
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Angel more to it that that Meehan was the "witness" who said he saw Tia leaving the house
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Yeah well Occam's Razor and all that, but if this were a movie the neighbour would have killed the girl, lied to the media and police, kept the body at his, then planted it in the loft and tipped off the cops anonymously. Unlikely of course, but all explanations here are starting to sound very odd.
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Ok A_T i hope for the family its just SH and Meehan involved.
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Can't believe the nan has been arrested. Surely she's not involved.
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Angel Gabrial, I think you are to closely involved in this case to be objective. If the police have arrested the grandmother, her boyfriend and the next door neighbour in connection with the the murder of Tia, I would suspect that all three of them had some sort of involvement, no matter how unpalatable that thought may be.
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Clunge if this were a movie, it would'be been a couple of rogue cops that did it, conducted the initial search and blamed it on the family
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Can't believe the nan has been arrested. Surely she's not involved.
Hazell probably said she did it. Shudder to think what he and the neighbour were up to. |
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Pixie you are correct.
But i hold on to the hope that Christine has only been arrested on suspicion because SH is lying and that she had a car for possible removal of body but that it never happened. |
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Is somebody mixing stories up. I thought Meehan was the Shannon Mathews gadger with kiddie porn on his pc.
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Adjoining lofts? Well, that does make some sort of sense then..
Incidentally, all this talk about needing warrants doesn't really get to the bottom of things. It apparently standard procedure in every case for the police to check the house from top to bottom whenever a missing child is involved. I doubt that would stretch as far as ripping off wall panels, but it would certainly be very negligent of the police not to have checked the loft thoroughly. If the body was always up there, then it should have been found immediately. Of course, if the neighbour was involved, and there were adjoining lofts, that might explain a few things... |
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"Can we search your entire house?"
"Do you have a warrant?" "No it's apparently standard procedure" "Oh well come in then!" |
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It was just a thought HonkyJoe....But could provide a possible explanation as to why the poor girls body wasn't found at the time of the original searches....
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And it's quite possible that the Gran is still innocent. (50/50 I'd say at the moment.) If Hazell and Meehan had cooked up something between them, it could well be that she might be living there without a clue about the body being moved from one house to another. Exactly what she did and didn't know would be of paramount importance, which is why they want to be able to interrogate her fully. It doesn't necessarily mean that she's an accomplice. (Although, of course, there's a good chance that she is - it's more than possible that some Thursday night incident between Hazell and Tia got out of hand, and the gran was notified and helped cover it up, for instance.)
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Indeed Ylime. Lots of possible motives and things that may have happened, but you could well have hit on something there. Good thinking.
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"Can we search your entire house?"
"Do you have a warrant?" "Why would we need a warrant, we are trying to find your missing grandaughter, we just need your permission" "Of course please come in, help yourself, just please please find her!" |
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Which nick is he in? I want to bang on the side of the van and yell "ROT IN HELL YOU F@CKING PEEDO MONSTER!" as they take hime to court for his plea hearing.
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AG looks like a family cover up
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Clunge, I seriously doubt that would happen if the couple were innocent. A police officer (probably a woman!) with a sympathetic voice would come in and say 'I'm very sorry Mr and Mrs X, but it is procedure in a case like this to search the house, go through the loft etc. Our officers will try and be as discreet as possible.' Probably Mr and Mrs X would sob a bit and give their consent and the search would go ahead in the background. It would be highly unusual for a scared and upset couple to go 'No dammit, I demand that you come back with a full warrant!' And as others have pointed out, that would certainly raise a few suspicions at Police HQ if it did happen.. (Although it might give the occupants sufficient time to say to the neighbour, 'ey up, mind if we send a package through your loft space?')
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neighbour getting questioned
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xmoneyx you're 4 hours behing here
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Of course, if the neighbour was involved, and there were adjoining lofts, that might explain a few things...
But surely you'd factor in that next door's loft could be easily accessed? Not rocket science. |
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is he chief wiggum in disguise?
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bring back juliet bravo
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Yes A_T, but it would be harder to get access to the neighbour's house, unless you had good evidence. Checking the Hazell residence would be a formality, but if the body was being moved into the neighbour's house at certain times, that would make it tricky for the police. Unless the neighbour let them in, they wouldn't be able to search his house without good grounds. Finding blood stains on bedsheets or a dog picking up some sort of scent would be good grounds. Just saying 'Ey up mate, your house is connected through the loft, and we've got a hunch something may have happened 'ere' wouldn't be..
Who knows, maybe they waited until the neighbour had left his house for a bit before making plans to search the residence, and that's why the body was, at that time, in part of the Hazell house? |
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That's no excuse HonkyJoe - a 12 year old girl was missing - goodness knows what was happening to her. It seems like the police were more concerned about hurting people's feelings than finding Tia.
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Unfair: too much commentary with hindsight gpong on here :(
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Imagine this from the police's perspective. A chav family's daughter goes missing. they probably initially thought she had just run away. trust me, if this was a well to do family they investigation would've been instantly on abduction
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Not really unfair. Many people remarked early on how baffling the case was. There was a strong indication that Tia had never left the house (no CCTV of her, mobile left at home) yet she hadn't been found. That bafflement was based on the reasonable assumption that police would have thoroughly searched the immediate environment. They hadn't.
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Too many step relatives for my liking in these cases. Average parent count for a kid is 3.8 these days.
Grans should be 86 with a hair coming out of her wart, not 46. |
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A_T, the issue you're talking about isn't so much about hurting people's feelings (although that may have been a factor in other aspects of this case). We don't live in a police state, thankfully. The police can't just insist on being given access to any house they care to enter. They need to have evidence first, even if it's only a small amount.
They'd need to have some evidence pointing to something having happened in Hazell's house. That might be enough. Some sort of evidence that the body had been stored in the loft space (but wasn't there at this time) would give them very good grounds. In any case, it doesn't look as though they found the body at the neighbour's house, so they probably didn't need to access his house at all. The police wording was always very strange, as they talked about needing to investigate how long the body had been in its current position. That would certainly play in with the idea that they thought it had been recently moved to its current position, and would tally with the neighbour having had it in his house for part of the time. Chances are it was found in part of the house belonging to Hazell. But it may have been in the neighbour's house during the other searches... |
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Speedy, I do find it odd when someone who's the same age as me is described as being a grandfather.. (Okay, he looks far older than 37, admittedly, but...)
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