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why are you on betting forum talking about being closely linked to murdered school girl?
fair enough if it was shergar |
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Sad news. A few observations.
It DOES seem very strange the body wasn't found earlier, I've no doubt that the police considered him highly likely. She was tiny of course, and he'd have had substantial time to well...make her less findable. I note they're saying body and not 'remains' but that may just be out of sensitivity. I wouldn't go blaming the police just yet, we don't know the facts, and at the end of the day they got their man, and possibly woman. I believe dogs were used in earlier searches btw. It's also possible, although surely hugely unlikely she was concealed elsewhere, that site became unsafe, and in panic he brought it home intending to dispose of it elsewhere. The police, tracking him, witnessed this, which triggered the search. The 'witness' who claimed to see her having left the house may have been lying, or been stupid, or possibly she DID leave the house, came back having realised she'd forgotten her phone and oyster card, and caught him shagging the dog. It's very hard to believe Grandma wouldn't know. You'd search, wouldn't you? A lot more people die in accidents than murders, and children are always hiding themselves away in nooks and crannies. If a false wall suddenly appeared you'd notice. |
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Clunge
If Tia was hidden in the loft Christine would not know. No idea where the body was found. My guess is the loft where the dogs may not have gone. I dont think this is a Rose and Fred situation. Its all tragic. |
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xmoney - you're obviously a ****. A 12 year old girl is dead. You want to talk horses. I'll talk horses all day but human life especially the life of a child is extremely emotive/ precious/valuable. Picking up on a7/2 shot isn't. Presume (confidently) you haven't got kids. If you have, maybe they should be in care. hth
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why are you on betting forum talking about being closely linked to murdered school girl?
Never said i was closely linked. I know part of her family. As Baldwin said.... |
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Why wouldn't either she or the police have gone in the loft? I'd have thought it an obvious place, especially for the police. He's not gonna hide a body in the lounge.
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i use this forum for dark humour in this SICK WORLD
young girl is dead---tragic--check out frankie boyle--mccann sketch edinburgh festival if im a **** so be it |
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Tobermory at 2319... Police incompetence In The Stephen Lawrencee case wasn't drowned out by fury at the alleged murderers.
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Any chance of getting this pi$$ stain banned^^^^^
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Angel Gabriel - massive sympathies to you and your family. Can't even pretend to know how you feel. (The police thing is another matter.) All I know is I have two sons aged 10 and 7 and if anything happened to them (illness, accident etc) I would be destroyed. I hope you and your family deal/cope with this tragedy as well as you can and I wish you and your family very best wishes for the future. I know this probably sounds like insincere bollox but I really mean it. DB
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Not you Rob
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I don't think it was incompetence that made people mad about the Lawrence case Rob.
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Really clunge? I thought it was common knowledge in the area who was guilty and that there were numerous people who named at least the acourt brothers. Fk me even the daily mail named them. The police didn't follow leads. Do you mean they were more corrupt than incompetent? That could be fair.
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[b]Angel Gabrial
Date Joined: 09 May 05 Add contact | Send message 11 Aug 12 00:00[/ Just wanted to send my best wishes. |
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indeed, that was not a comparable case I'm talking about cases where the suspect, even the body, is right under their noses, and they take umpteen searches/interviews to get anywhere with it. The Bristol case was almost Clouseau like in ineptitude .The Soham case was also an appalling shambles that dragged on for weeks when a competent investigation ,given all the info they had , would have caught Huntley in a couple of days. Once there is an arrest everything is subjudice so their failings cannot be discussed. After the trial they are praised by the tabloids, who will not allow a word against them .The same Tabloids who said the Madeleine Case would have been swiftly concluded if only Scotland Yard was in charge instead of the portuguese. |
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Unbearably sad.
RIP Tia |
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Soham was a circus
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I mean they were prejudiced rather than incompetent, or rather both, but it was the prejudice that outraged people, Rob.
Tobers, think also how the police a re criticised for arresting 'the obvious guy' when he is found to be innocent - e.g. the landlord In Bristol. They are forced by law, media and policy to be very careful even when they are, in themselves, pretty sure who it is. They could blunder in and assume it's the local weirdo like they did in Portugal, beat the crap out of them...like they do in Portugal...and persecute an innocent man or let a killer go on a technicality. In Soham, Bristol and here, they got their man. |
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Baldwin, Creatureinthsky
Kind words but not for me. For Tia. I never knew her but my wife remembers her being born. She is the same age as Tia`s mum Natalie. Other members of the family have been part of the support team and have been to the grans house during the week. They are now having to deal with the murder of their daughter, grandaughter, niece, grand niece, cousin. Thinking that Tia was in the house maybe all that time. RIP Tia |
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It seems ridiculous to me that (if it is the case) that poor girls body was in the house all the time and the police took seven days? I normally stick up for the police, but that doesn't sit right with me.
What was so wrong about soham? The bodies weren't in the house iirc, |
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You are giving them far too much credit there.
What i am saying is they should focus on where the evidence leads .There was zero evidence against the landlord. Did they really 'get their man' in the sense of figuring out he did it , rather than just arresting him after his girlfriend had basically told them she thought he'd done it? Seems they casually accepted his inital explanation and had ruled him out before then. In Soham they also accepted Huntley's version without much questioning and even had him helping out with news conferences from what i recall and it was only when someone from his past life made call that they had another look. There was also the bizarre search of woodlands halfway through when they told the press they were searching an area 'that screams were reported from' on the night the girls went missing. So the parents had to sit at home for several hours with the thought of their daughters being dragged screaming through the woods in the middle of the night by some monster. WTF mention screams had been heard? Just search the place and shut up til your done. In this case you had , after the trawl through the CCTV ,zero evidence Tia had ever left the house, well other than Hazell's word. They searched the house 3 times but apparently didn't bother to look in the part of the house with enough room, and presumably infrequent enough use, that would be most likely used. They then make it know thtough the media that they are conducted a more thorough search, without having the suspect even under observation, and then have to spend 6hrs looking for him. |
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Croydon was a nicer area back in the 1960s when it was in Surrey
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I don't think this is about the police. Totally agree that Tia's body should have been found earlier BUT at the end of the day she was probably dead within a couple of hours within going missing. You/we can blame the police all we like but surely the responsibility/guilt lies with the killer? As stated earlier I hope he/she rots in hell. As for Tia, I hope her short life was as happy as it could be. Don't pretend to know the family but I do know grief. RIP Tia. x
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To Tobermory, I don't recall enough of the soham case to put up any argument. What has happened today looks totally indefensible for the police as far as I can see. There could be more info to come, perhaps everything is not quite what it seems just now, but not looking good for the police right now. It really saddened me this news today, genuinely too, put a real downer n what had been a good day.
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Andrew Gilligan was spot on this evening on Sly News. The Met haven't been fit for purpose for quite some time now.
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Rob I would agree, but none of use are in possession of the full facts.
Tobers, what evidence? And his (Bristol killer's) explanation for what? You can't on the one hand say they should arrest the obvious guy without evidence, and then blame the police for looking to do so in another case. I've never read that they accepted Huntley's version. And if they knew anything of the Chit-Chat Ladies Detective Agency methods they'd know that getting a suspect to give a suspect to give a news conference is the most sure-fire way of them incriminating themselves. They didn't 'help' him at all. I would think that, as with this guy, they had him down as number one suspect from day one, and due to the nature of, needing evidence and that, bided their time. If you're a parent with missing kids you're honestly not going to be that bothered by a report of screaming. You just want your kids back. There was, apparently, someone who said they saw her outside the house. Everything else you said is supposition. It may appear the most obviuous explanation, but we don't know. |
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I never said they should arrest Hazell without evidence,.They shoudln't arrest anyone without evidence. Just that the evidence (that she had never left the house, the 'witness' statement they themselves said was not necessarily reliable, and he did not drive a car) there was, pointed pretty plainly in his direction and called for a top to bottom search of the house, which did not happen til today. If he was number 1 suspect why the fk was he out of their sight when it was all over the media that they were finally doing a proper search?
They certainly did not have Huntley down as Number 1 suspect, he was not a suspect at all .The press conferences i refer to were not those where Huntley spoke, they were the polices own conferences, where Huntley helped set up chairs and tables and usher people about. |
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Again, I'd agree, but we don't KNOW they didn't search the entire house, or the condition her body was found in. I'm also not sure what rights they have in making searches. Can they do so without any actual evidence?
I've no idea how you have inside information on the Huntley case, or why you think he wasn't a suspect. Setting up chairs is not going to set him up with an alibi. I'd have thought it very good practice to see a suspect as much as possible, and if you can do so without him realising it, then that's good work. |
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If Huntley had been a serious suspect they would have made a further search of the premises he had access to sooner IMO
They can't really have searched the entire house in Tia's case before can they . I guess they would need a warrant to do what they liked but presumably they ask permission and if there are objections from the occupants then they'd have no trouble getting a warrant . So either way they could have searched everywhere. There seems little point in a partial search that just rules out a few rooms. |
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I'm pretty sure warrants don't work on a 'They said we couldn't, so that means we can' way.
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If they refused a search then they would instantly become a very big suspect though and then, well, they're kind of fked.
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In this case it would certainly.
Can we look in the loft? er, no , anywhere else ok but not there What possible reason could they give for not giving permission, that judge would consider reasonable in the circumstances |
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I know if any young relative of mine went missing, I would let the police have carte blanche, to look any and every where.
I would think any innocent parent would do likewise. |
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No, I don't think that's how it works.
I'm not saying they didn't know, I'm saying they may not have had a legal right. If the police ask you to take a breathalyser test and you refuse on the grounds that they have no legal right, they can't then go "Oooh that means we can" |
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liamcol, I'd agree...unless of course I'd searched myself and wanted them to concentrate their resources elsewhere, but it doesn't matter anyway, the police can't just do whatever they want, they have to act within the law and their own rules. I don't know what those are with respect to house searches, but I'm pretty sure 'the suspect says we can't, so we can' isn't going to work for them.
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Has anyone heard from poor Tia's biological father?
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And remember in Bristol they arrested the landlord despite the actual killer having lived next door to the victim and was 6ft+ etc etc from day 1 in Bristol everyone was thinking 'so it must have been someone with the strength to strangle her (remember she was a fitness fanatic) drag her out to car and then drag her out of car at other end and try and throw her over a wall' - when everyone saw the landlord we all thought instantly 'NOT POSSIBLE' but not the Police. They overlooked the 6ft+ Dutchman who lived next door and went for the weird looking landlord instead
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sad news.... :-(
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Cops = Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Red tape galore
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RIP
Correct me if I am wrong,if a child is missing,then surely one would search the house from top to bottom. |