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Snooker discussion: Putting topspin on a cueball
Snooker discussion: Putting topspin on a cueball
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And I have very much allowed for the possibility of the cueball being struck softer the second time: the blue will not land in the same place and the player must try again.
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LFC wrote:
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no i am sorry i am suggesting that he could try 100 times and if he applys topspin with equal force it can never finish in the same place
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you have not addressed what allowance the experiment makes for the ball being struck softer the second time
LFC How can the blue ball and the white ball end up in the same position as `the first attempt`...if the cue ball has be hit more softly than `the first attempt` ? |
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the position the ball ends up independs on the force it hits the blue ball..not the force with which the cue ball has been struck
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LFC
no i am sorry i am suggesting that he could try 100 times and if he applys topspin with equal force it can never finish in the same place Pokermonster is saying just that. If top spin was applied then if the blue ball ended in that same position the white ball would be further down the table. |
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Angel Gabrael
when played with topspin it requires less forcefor the same result |
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The force the cue ball is struck determines the force the blue ball is struck.
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LFC wrote:
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Not necessarily so,i suggest that topspin gives extra force..either way the experiment does not prove or disprove this
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LFC wrote:
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i suspect that with topspin and equal force the blue ball will go further,therefore to satisfy your experiments requirements that the blue finishes in the same spotthe cue ball must be struck softer when applying topspin
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LFC
Imagine tennis. You need to whip right over the curve of the ball to gain top spin. Do you think that takes more force or less force than a normal shot? |
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Let me ask you a question, LFC.
Do you believe that anyone can apply topspin to a cueball? By which I mean an overspin above and beyond its natural forward roll. |
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a small example that anyone who plats golf knows.When a golfer plays a draw shot the ball has topspin and invariably runs further on landing
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Any topspin would only effect the white ball. If you hit the shot softer then the blue ball would never reach position (A)
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If that golf ball was to hit another ball would it make that other ball carry topspin?
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Angel Gabriel i do not wish to be rude but i am not answering that question again!
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Also that golf ball only carry`s topspin energy on bounce, once it is running on the grass it only carry`s forward roll.
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Not sure were you did answer it LFC.
Apologies. |
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the draw(topspin)will carry further through the air,on landing and along the ground. That is how it is
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Snooker balls don`t spin through the air, the only forward roll or slide or reverse roll or reverse spin. With elements of side...
But no top spin. |
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I still fear LFC might be pulling my leg.
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possibly but i suspect topspin can be imparted on to a cue ball the same way as a golf ball
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Anyway the draw shot in golf is not top spin, it is spin applied to the right hand side of the ball, the ball then alters into a forward momentum through the air.
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Thank you for answering my question, LFC.
Naturally, I disagree with your suspicions. In fact, I am certain that topspin (overspin) is impossible when actioned with a cuetip. |
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With respect Angel Gabriel i happen to play golf to quite a high standard and can play any of these shots without your explanation,
thankyou |
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For you to apply topspin in golf. A wide area of the face of the club must whip over the curve of the golf ball.
Imagine table tennis, you need to whip the bat around the ball. Something which is impossible in snooker. |
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i am rubbish at snooker however
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With respect Angel Gabriel i happen to play golf to quite a high standard and can play any of these shots without your explanation,
thankyou You should no that the draw shot is not initiated as top spin then. It is a right hand spin to transfer the ball right to left. |
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Well the good news is my hot lodger has asked me to teach her how to play to pool, so I shall quite willingly provide videos of detailed testing next week, live from Reardon's.
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Angel Gabrial
when a golfer hits a draw it is not possible to get right to left spin without topspin |
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Here's an example of correct teaching technique, CL.
[img]http://community.cdnbf.net/community.betfair.com/user/pokermonster/pokermonsters_gallery/5301352f4639013f22deb291125645f0.jpg?v=254700[/img] |
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perfect technique Pokermaster
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LFC
The golf ball is hit from the bottom of the ball upwards to give it elevation. No topspin is initiated at the moment of strike. You can't impart topspin on a golf ball unless you top it. Hopefully this helps your game. |
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Angel Gabrial
i am sorry but just a small ex. that may surpriseyou. To get backspin on a golf ball you hit down on it..to get topspin hit up |
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A top spin is done by hitting the spot that is slightly above the equator of the golf ball. But using a driver to hit that kind of shots have no benefits in trajectory or distance to your game.
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I think perhaps what your talking about is getting the ball to "turn over".
This doesnt actually turn over nor does it have top spin. |
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A Golfer always has a distance advantage if he can hit the driver correctly with a slight draw,especially on good fairways because the ball will travel further on landing
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