Enjoying the debate; I too have backed him ante post. I firmly believe he ran flat at cheltenham (like Hurricane Fly and Simenon amongst other Mullins horses that week) and is a better horse than be have seen so far. His chasing debut in my mind was solid, he jumped well and stayed on to the line over an inadequate trip. I know the second horse has been beaten since but he ran again very quickly after racing on such tiring ground and he reportedly finished lame.

I am excited to see him entered again on Thursday; anyone know if the meeting is in doubt, is the weather affecting the cards in Ireland like it is in the uk?

buddeliea 15 Jan 13 18:58 Joined: 19 Mar 04 | Topic/replies: 7,766 | Blogger: buddeliea's blog
OK, if we ignore his hurdles runs because he was always going to be a better chase

Don't ignore hurdles runs, just take them for what they are. He'll always be a much superior horse over fences than he is over hurdles. So Bob in my book is the best 3m hurdler to go chasing this season as Brindisi Breeze is dead. You'd expect a much improved horse over fences to the one who nearly won the staying novice hurdle race.

Dynaste does not fit the bill of RSA winner and is 5/2. It's simple to see why Bob looks a good shout for RSA winner.

This is an interesting debate, and I think we'll know a lot more after his next run.

As I said, I do have an issue with his price though.  He opened up at 10/1 when the book first opened back in April and I haven't seen anything that makes me think he should be shorter than that.

I understand why people would think Dynaste is short, but he has won three times this year over various trips and various ground, and has won each one with authority.

Again, Bob may turn out to be a better chaser and win more big prizes in the long run, but for this particular race, at this particular time, with one having a not so impressive win (in my eyes), and one having 3 excellent ones, I can understand why Dynaste is a lot shorter.

I think it would be dangerous to ignore Dynaste because of his profile.  He's won each race going away at the finish and has never looked like emptying to me.

Wellchief. I guess he has shortened a bit due to lack of viable alternatives? Doesn't look a vintage renewal at this stage.

yep,thinking about it,probably right ccm.

But I wouldn't say we're being optimistic. I'm a backer at 10/1 and backed again after his debut over fences where he was pushed back out to 10/1. Those odds price him at less than 10% chance of RSA if getting there. It's just good antepost betting. He'll probably go off no bigger than 3/1 if he wins his next two starts given the lack of depth in the division. I don't see why Dynaste should be fav if Bob does win the Dr PJ at Lepardstown.

I'd be amazed if Bob went off fav if Dynaste was in the line up.  As you've said, he'll beat a handicapper the same as a top quality one, so in his prep runs he probably won't be winning by long distances.

I don't know what the plans are for Dynaste, but if he runs again and wins, I think Dynaste will go off around 6/4 maybe?  No doubt BB will be a lot shorter than now though.

CV my old mate,it seems you are more impressed with his runs then i am.
Its far from simple how good he will be.
He won a few staying nov hurdles,then failed in his one big one when well fancied at 6/5.
Hes had 1 chase just beating a horse that got thrashed next time out.

I need more than that mate.
When/if he produces that i will concede hes a goodun,until then my opinion stays the same.

It's not the horses fult he was backed into 6/5, clueless morons backed him at those odds. You'd have to be totally mental to touch a novice in an open race like that at anything less than maybe 5/2. I was backing Bob at 7/1 and 6/1. He out ran those odds handsomely. Even 6/5 prices him up as more likely to lose than to win. He is the best horse from the AB given the winner is dead. While the AB is the race to look at when finding an RSA winner, the last 3 winners have come from the Race.

It's quite simple, especially when Bob is a backable price of 7/1.

Hope you get on side with me on Fly and Bob bud. Go on and do an e/w double it's 35/1 and over 4/1 the place. The place side you'll agree is over priced at least.

I'm hugely confident in both horses. Basically all but confirmed Fly will track the pace setter in Champion Hurdle instead of being held back in the field trying to settle him. He settles now and "can be ridden like a normal horse".

Do a 10 e/w double mate. Trust me

Ok mate,i shall have a good think about an e/w double.

But i do remember that last tip you gave me when i went to Sandown to see Sprinter,still running i think!!

sam winner is a very nice horse imo, remembering him staying on like a train in the triumph couple years back, Always thought he was going to make a really good chaser, It didn't quite work out though. Off a 140 he's got to have a chance. He will be carrying mine come march but 8/1 at this stage is terrible imo. You'll probably be able to get 6/1 early doors on the day.

We don't need to worry about what happened to the horse that BB beat next time because we aren't trying to justify the run with regards to him struggling against a decent horse, I'd accept that BB is far superior but wasn't on the day, I don't think for one minute that what we saw on his debut was anything like what he is capable of so don't need to look for crumbs of comfort from subsequent runs of others in the race, anyone who worries about what the 2nd did next time would only do so if they thought the previous one was a fair reflection of the 2 horses merits, which it almost certainly is not.

Not declared for tomorrow. Unknown if he'll have a run before Dr PJ. Mullins sent Call the Police to chelts last year with just 2 runs one before Christmas and one in Dr PJ

I'm a Boston Bob man having backed him at 8/1 and Rocky Creek also at 25/1. Bit concerned that B Bob has only had one run to be honest.

If he turns up having only ran twice then we could be in trouble

You can say that again

im fine with two runs...jumped like a stag on terrible ground first timeout and mullins did blame fact he ran on poor ground before chelters last year as possible cause for defeat.....am happy enough

Duffy I'd assume Mullins thinks he doesn't need the jumping experience given how well he jumps already. So given heavy ground another run around now might take too much out of him only a few weeks before the Grade 1 Dr PJ.

He was likely only entered to scare off rivals for Mikael. Mullins does this all the time. Smart tactic imo.

Anyway there's no one better than Mullins for prepping an RSA horse.

CCM I don't know why he was not travelling well in March. I think it was just a subdued effort, relative to expectations. If it was the ground I think he would have been beaten further than 2 lengths.

If there is one horse in that race where you can catergorically say the ground was against them, it was Rocky Creek. He got beat in his maiden hurdle,class 3, on Good. And was then beaten 27 lengths in March. It may have been the combination of hurdles and ground, but he does look like he prefers to get his toe in, especically when it's against better class opposition. IF it comes up soft in the RSA he's a big threat. He looks to decent to run in the 4miler.