Its not a concern,as he will stay and stay,thats his strength imo.
I would question whether hes good enough myself

Haven't really any real strong thoughts on the RSA but my gut feeling would be to oppose dynaste on the grounds that I think there is a strong chance he is the same horse as grands crus.

Although there isn't much evidence to support it, in this particular case I think I'd rather wade in with all the hype surrounding BB particularly with all the positive sound bytes we constantly hear from the stable about this horse, because outside of these two the field is looking very weak to me.

Different class to Grands Crus?

Dynaste was tailed off in a world hurdle...Grands Crus was runner up...also had a defeat of Silviniaco Conti and Bobs Worth under belt and was recently 3rd in a King George so yes, different class - a lower one.

Not a Grands Crus man at all and certainly not Dynaste who will be lucky to make top 3 in RSA but credit where credit is due

*win

Well we will have to wait and see whos right,but i have never been that impressed with Grand Crus,i am already with Dynaste.

Dynaste certainly has the potential to be a better horse than Grands Crus imo, but I think we'd have to wait until next year when Dynaste runs in open company to find out.  That'll be the acid test because its easy to look a superstar against fellow novices.

FWIW, if Pipe ran both of them in the Ryanair or the Gold Cup, I'd back Dynaste over Grands Crus every time.

Dynaste managed to shake up Big Bucks quite a lot on trials day last year, and for a while it looked like Bucksy was in danger - Grands Crus never threatened him like that.

Bud I agree completely and after ignoring Dynaste earlier in the season purely because I didn't think he was good enough he has been very very good so far over fences. I also think he will be a better chaser than Grand Crus. All last season I thought I could see vulnerabilities in Grands Crus but not so far with Dynaste.

Agree that 5/2 is a silly price but too simple to say didn't stay in World Hurdle - did well enough on trials day. Unlike GC was doing all his best work at end of Feltham.

However much prefer to see him in Jewson. His finishing burst at the end of his debut at the Open meeting was seriously impressive to my eye.

At this stage looks a better prospect overall than BB but things change

He'd be nailed on in Jewson. But pace races are run at the festival is what finds out some stayers. So trials day is nothing like World Hurdle where it was made a stamina test to blunt Oscar Whiskey and others.

So in RSA we'll have Rocky Creek and Boston Bob two proper stayers who will pile it on miles out. We have no idea if Dynaste will have the stamina to see it out as he failed to in his only other staying test at Cheltenham.

So to take antepost prices of 5/2 is mental. He's beaten not a single rival he'll face in the race. We have no idea how he shapes up against the rivals he'll face. So if you wait till nrnb he'll have won another gash race at Newbury and be shorter than 2/1.

How much are you gonna have to bet at 2/1 or less to make a decent return? You're risking quite a lot with so many questions to be answered.

I said from what ive seen of him CV.His last run in Ireland werent that great imo.
I have no problem if he proves me wrong in thinking hes an out and out stayer without the class to be top notch at 3m.

He's running over 3m at Newbury next roobuck so it looks like pipe is set on RSA. Captain Conan would be as tricky an opponent over 2m4f as Boston Bob will be over 3m

CV, based on their chase form Dynaste has every right to be much shorter.

Boston wasn't imperessive lto whereas Dynastr has been nothing but impressive.

Boston has an impressive race record, but they were in largely micky mouse novice races and not World Hurdles like Dynaste.

We've been discussing this on our race forum roobuck, there's a grade 3 chase at Newbury on 9th. Pipe says he'll run in it before chelts. Seems very strange to me.

This time of year is a bit of a nonsense really. Trainers too concerned with preserving their owner's dreams rather than really having more of a trial

I'll be the first to hold my hands up if Bob wins the RSA well.  I've said earlier in this thread that I've backed him to place at 9/4, which I think is better than Dynaste to win at 5/2.

However, I just think that he may come up against one too good.  Whether that's Dynaste or not, I don't know; Brindisi Breeze wasn't on my radar at all for last years AB, and it could be someone like him pops up in the RSA.

I know Mullins rates him very highly, so his views have to be respected, but was disappointed he didn't win the AB, traditionally the weakest of the G1 novice hurdles.  I know Ruby gave him a lot to do, but I'd like to see him beat a top quality horse, which I haven't seen yet.

You could argue Dynaste hasn't beaten anything of the highest quality, but he did so with some ease, where I thought Bob made hard work of it last time.

All a game of opinions

Of course those races are better guides to the RSA.They are a natural progression to staying nov chasing more so than the WH.
I watched his race,and was not at all impressed,yes he can jump,but i just am not convinced of him as potential top class.Yes,its too early to know for sure how good he will be,but i am forming an opinion on the RSA as it stands right now,and i dont think at this stage it would be a good RSA if BB wins it.
By March i may think differently.

the winner was only 3 seconds slower than Big Bucks aswell.

Well Chief, Bob was never a hurdler, so to do what he did over hurdles was great. He's every inch a chaser, I was disappointed Denman lost to Nicanor, but Denman was every inch a chaser and was a far better horse jumping a fence. So Bobs Albert Bartlett run doesn't matter anything more than the fact he stays all day, never stopped running. We then saw he is a superb jumper of a fence on his debut.

Boston Bob is not a flashy horse, he will beat a 125 rated handicapper the same distance he'll beat a top quality horse. He's not one for winning distances, Moscow Flyer was a top class horse who did similar. Big Bucks another who just keeps finding enough to win regardless of who he beat. Also the horse who Bob beat You Must Know Me was promptly bought by the Potts as both he and Bob were miles clear of the 3rd.

Boston Bob will be battling it out with Rocky Creek a mile out as Bobs Worth and FL did last year. It'll be a total attritional test as the RSA always is. We've no idea if Dynaste will enjoy this stamina test. We know the other two will.

Watch the Albert Bartlett again people, Boston Bob is miles back and stays on like a biblical demon. He blunders the last yet still gets to half a length before finally being one paced in the final yards.

Then when you watch his debut over fences on utter bottomless over too short a trip you see him jump like a fcking stag. Add superb jumping to endless stamina and you've a perfect RSA horse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80L8lxffnhE

The winner sadly died so from that race Bob is the best horse. To come from basically dead last with 2 to jump is stunning stamina.

As I've said, I don't know if Dynaste will win the RSA; I haven't backed him, and from my point of view if Bob trails home a distant third I'll be happy.

All I know is that based on their hurdles form (which I agree was never Bobs long term plan), and their chase form thus far, Dynaste deserves to be much shorter in the betting because he has acheived more so far.  "So far" is the key bit, Bob may go on to bigger and better things than Dynaste, a la Denman and Nicanor, but you have to price this particular race up on known form.

I agree that Dynaste's price is too short, but based on his sole run, I don't think Bob is a 7/1 shot; when you got someone like Rocky Creek at double the price, who I've been more impressed with.