Not many speedy types ever won an RSA imo


Albertas Run about as close as you can get in recent years and he won an atrocious race

BB was my biggest AP bet last year and I have watched the race several times. On the day, I was livid with Ruby and put his defeat down to him being given too much to do.

But the more I watched the race, the more I don't think that was the main reason. He was plenty close enough coming off the turn and just didn't pick up well enough. He stayed on resolutely but never really got close enough to he leader, or saw off the third to suggest he stayed as well as you make out CVB. I think the ground was the main issue myself. He never travelled that well all race, and didn't look particularly comfortable on it. He will need it softer to show his best IMO.

I'm still a big fan and have him in my book already, but I don't think he's one to be going mad on until we know its softer that last year. It certainly looks like he will improve for a fence and will stay, but on better ground he might just be tapped for toe at a crucial part of the race.

Clearly a different one to you. Ruby was hardly ever traveling smoothly on him, but niggling just a bit too much at various points.

He wasn't 'almost dead', just outpaced. Brindisi always had enough to hold him and he didn't look like winning at any point. He didn't even pull away from grand Vision.

I love the way you continually make statements of your own opinion as fact. I think he wants it softer than good. But then what do I know.....

I posted the link to the race below.

Now to point out to you what I'm saying is fact and what you are saying are lies I shall bring you through the times of the race.

Go to 4:06. Who is in the middle of the last 3 horses? Yes Boston Bob, so he was as I said "almost dead last" then jumps the 3rd last and Ruby gets to work to move him from there forward though the field.

Now go to 5:06 in the video Bob in 4th place 5 or so lengths back behind Brindisi as they rounded the home turn

Now go to 5:43 to see Boston Bob get to within a length of Brindisi on the run in about 5 yards from the line.

So we have video evidence of my correctness and your wrongness.

So now do shut up talking bullsh1t when we can clearly see I'm stating facts.

It's a piss poor race. Rocky Creek simply won't be good enough the only danger to Dynaste is Boston Bob. I think the G3 at Newbury will be a good prep race they know they are going for the RSA they don't need to ask him any questions before now and then. A nice gallop around Newbury wins on the bridle Cheltenham next stop. I'm tempted to add him at 5/2 tbh.

I'd expect Dynaste price will hold as bookies will want to take him on dotr especially if Boston Bob wins his next 2 starts. He's not an antepost play at 5/2. Best to wait if you fancy him.

"Ruby said he hated the ground and his pedigree says he should go on better ground. He looks a big strong chaser and we look forward to him going chasing next season. He could have gone chasing this season but we just decided to go ‘through the motions' over hurdles for now and it has taught him to race." W P Mullins

I love these trainers making it up as they go along.He did n't say they were going through the motions when trying to win one of the prestigious novice hurdles at the Festival last March, did he? And I doubt he'd have said it if Boston Bob had beaten the little horse (RIP) trained up in Scotland by some bird.

Mullins is kind of a horse racing version of Alex Ferguson. Although to be fair, he seems a nicer bloke than SAF.

This was the best run of his career.

I disagree strongly. I think his best run was when giving Lyreen Legend lumps of weight and a sound beating at Leopardstown, that was a superb performance. I've always been of the opinion that he wasn't 100% at Cheltenham, like a few of Mullins' horses. He had to be niggled at various stages just to keep up and I think he's better than that.

I posted the link to the race below.

Now to point out to you what I'm saying is fact and what you are saying are lies I shall bring you through the times of the race.

Go to 4:06. Who is in the middle of the last 3 horses? Yes Boston Bob, so he was as I said "almost dead last" then jumps the 3rd last and Ruby gets to work to move him from there forward though the field.

Now go to 5:06 in the video Bob in 4th place 5 or so lengths back behind Brindisi as they rounded the home turn

Now go to 5:43 to see Boston Bob get to within a length of Brindisi on the run in about 5 yards from the line.

So we have video evidence of my correctness and your wrongness.

So now do shut up talking bullsh1t when we can clearly see I'm stating facts.

You are moving the goalposts CV. First you said he was near last with two to jump. I see you've rightly corrected yourself there as he actually jumped the second last in 4th. He made up a lot of ground between the 3rd and 2nd last in fairness to the horse.

You also said he got to within a half length of the winner up the run in, which he didn't. These were not 'facts' as you say (you were beginning to sound like Rafa Benitez ), however in your above post you are more accurate with your assessment of the race.

CantCatchMe isn't talking bullshit either, I agree with him that he was never travelling. That's plain to see.


As far as the RSA is concerned, Boston Bob has been my only bet in the race. If he turns up in the same form of his Leopardstown win last year, he will win imo, and win well at that. He jumped superbly on debut and although he made hard work of beating You Must Know Me, that horse could yet be of a high class.

Nothing changes CVB.... You  get nasty when someone disagrees with your 'opinion'. I'm not going to resort to saying your interpretation of the race is 'bullsh1t' as that would just make me look like an idiot. But if you really believe that

Boston Bob is miles back and stays on like a biblical demon.

You must be watching a different race. He was generally about 8l off the leader the whole way round. Hardly miles back. He does make up significant ground coming down the hill, mostly because Ruby is urging him on. He is half a length down on Grand Vision coming off the final bend, and a length up on him at the line. That, as you say, is fact.

I agree with slabsters assessment. He is easily my main fancy in the race, and have a good few quid invested. Maybe he was just another of Mullins' runners slightly under the weather last year, but that run has made me a little less gung ho with my bets on him this year.

Oh bub don't say what you remember, I posted the link to the race video, you can watch it again and again. Memory is not the same as evidence mate.

CV, I accept Mullins said he hated the ground, but there was no mention of it when he hacked up in the mud at Leopardstown.

He seemed to act on it fine then, and it seems that the ground was an excuse after his last run.

Its all about opinions at the moment until he runs on genuinely good ground again, becausr at the moment we don't know

Positions are largely irrelevant IMO anyway. He was about 8l down coming to the third last, and after the long run to the second last, he is about 3l down. All of that with Ruby pushing and CG sitting largely motionless.

When he jumps the 3rd last how many hurdles are left to jump? TWO and he is near dead last at that point. So with 2 hurdles left to jump he then makes his way through the field. I am correct.

He got to within what looks like a length of the winner on the run in about 50 yards from the line, I said half a length and the camera angle makes it hard to see exactly how close it was. So if I'm wrong it's by a tiny margin.

I am totally correct in what I said about the race. Now do off you.  Failed in your attempt to counter my accurate statements.

Your statements weren't wholly accurate though were they I don't see what I've said that is wrong, CV. All 'facts' as you'd like to say yourself

By the way, it's a hell of a run form the third last to the winning post, so making up 10 lengths isn't that extraordinary. I stand by my belief that the horse was not at his best on the day, and he's the most likely RSA winner for me.

Also, what does 'now do off you' mean?

BB was my biggest disappointment of last year behind Hurricane Fly. Watched it back last night and he's never travelling or looking like the winner. One of three reasons:

One: he hated the ground
Two: he's not as good as thought but has a lot of heart
Three. He wasn't right on the day

I know after the race ruby said he just never gave him the feeling he normally does and didn't take him into the race. If the issue was one of the top two then he may be good enough to scrape home in the RSA if dynaste doesn't run well. If third and he's right this year then he has one hell of a chance.

I'm on him and think he's the most likely winner. French also don't have great record in RSA

No doubt fences will bring around a great improvement in him sint, but that doesnt explain why he didnt travel that well for most of the race last year.

As there was a doubt right up to the start of the meeting as to whether BB would run in the Neptune or the Bartlett, one can only assume that the horse didn't deliver on the day. If Mullins thought he had the speed to have a chance of beating Simonsig in the Neptune, he should have had no difficulty matching strides with Brindisi Breeze.

I think 7/1 is huge in what appears to be a uncompetitive race.

My opinion is certainly based on his hurdling, I feel that the best is yet to come over fences and can appreciate someone doubting this as it has yet to be demonstrated to date.

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BB was my biggest disappointment of last year behind Hurricane Fly. Watched it back last night and he's never travelling or looking like the winner. One of three reasons:

One: he hated the ground
Two: he's not as good as thought but has a lot of heart
Three. He wasn't right on the day

Or none of those 3 and instead the obvious one, he's not a hurdler. He is a big chasing type and where he'd make ground jumping a fence he'd lose ground over hurdles. He was out paced early on in the AB.

Denman and Sprinter Sacre lost over hurdles at the festival. How did they turn out when they jumped a fence?

Bob hopefully will win on Thursday and then go on to Dr PJ at Leopardstown where he'll have a good test. If he comes through those well he's favourite imo. He fits the bill in every other way.

I'd say the obvious one was he simply wasn't good enough on the day.

It was a bit different to Sprinter, where Henderson really didn't want to send him to the Supreme, he had breathing issues, and was unfortunate to run in a red hot Supreme against three top quality rivals, and was travelling by far the best swinging for home.

Bob was easily outpaced, connections were raring to go for the Festival, Mullins had talked him up massively and didn't seem to have many excuses in a much weaker race.