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By:
sintonian
When: 17 Nov 10 15:23
Female ..
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 17 Nov 10 21:57
Captain Chris

The six-year-old last season looked destined for the top when blowing away his rivals in three starts over timber, but let down favourite-backers on his seasonal reappearance in Chepstow's Persian War Novices' Hurdle.

That loss prompted connections to send him over fences and Philip Hobbs now hopes a tongue-tie will help the gelding, who suffers from a breathing problem. "He has schooled very well over fences," said the trainer. "He has run well on soft ground, though I would prefer better ground."
By:
Joist
When: 17 Nov 10 22:00
Looking at his run last Sunday, to my eye it looked like he wants further than 2 miles- off the bridle earlier but staying on.
By:
Wayne Butcher
When: 17 Nov 10 22:38
Noble Prince!
By:
sintonian
When: 24 Nov 10 12:51
Sang Bleu and Finians Rainbow go head to head tomorrow at Newbury. Will be an interesting race with SB receiving the weight. I do wonder if SB is actually Nicholls real Arkle contender. I am not convinced, despite backing him, that Royal Charm will go for the race.

On the subject of Royal Charm, his next possible target was mooted as being the Henry VIII at Sandown, which is where Medermit runs next too.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 25 Nov 10 14:08
A nice debut from FiniansBlush

A few minor novicey mistakes down the back but he also showed he can really travel and jump at speed. The leap at the water was magnificent.
By:
sintonian
When: 25 Nov 10 14:33
Aye. He got better as the race went on. Happy with my 33/1 for sure.

Finian's Rainbow was sent off the 2-5 favourite on his chase debut. He was last seen finishing fifthin the Neptune Investment Management Novices' Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival, but demonstrated plenty of aptitude for the larger obstacles with a generally decent round of jumping.

Stan James left Finian's Rainbow unchanged at 14-1 for the Arkle Chase, which appears to be the target, as  winning trainer Nicky Henderson said: "It's almost certain we will stay at two miles, the Arkle is there. I hope he's top class.


Nicky Henderson: possibly top class

 
 

"He was pretty tidy for a very big horse and put in some spectacular jumps."


With only three runners in attendance, tactics looked like playing a key part in the race, and Geraghty took the initiative, setting off at a decent pace, and encouraging the seven-year-old to attack his fences, which he did with gusto, particularly at the water jump.

Noel Fehily asked Sang Bleu to keep close tabs on the leader, with Hell's Bay detached in third.

At the fourth and then again six out Finian's Rainbow was slightly untidy as befitting a novice, but Geraghty never surrendered the lead and it was Fehily who cracked first, beginning to push at his mount rounding the final turn.

The Paul Nicholls-trained runner was unable to put up a challenge down the home straight, weakening at three out, which left Hell's Bay in pursuit.

However despite closing down to within three lengths of Finian's Rainbow, Sam Twiston-Davies was unable to land a blow, and Geraghty extended his lead comfortably at the finish.
By:
Reyes
When: 25 Nov 10 16:04
is he this season's Riverside Theatre?

haven't seen race yet, will watch replay
By:
duffy
When: 25 Nov 10 16:39
i'd be disappointed if he was this seasons riverside theatre
By:
buddeliea
When: 25 Nov 10 18:22
bl00dy hope not!!
By:
bring on chelt!!!
When: 25 Nov 10 18:28
Riverside Theatre...nearly choked
By:
Reyes
When: 25 Nov 10 22:51
just checked market

GHIZAO is favourite!

Laugh
By:
Panto Prince
When: 26 Nov 10 00:06
Medermit and Celestial Halo are 50/1 chances based on their low and guessy jumping (Celestial) and utterly unimpressive attitide with no ability to fiddle (Medermit).

Noble Prince should dbe fav IMO.
By:
Reyes
When: 26 Nov 10 00:20
why didn't NP run last w/end? Was it the ground? Any entries?
By:
sintonian
When: 26 Nov 10 10:23
Bruised foot. Has been pulled from the Drinmore aswell.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 26 Nov 10 11:39
Nolan's horses not quite right now either imo. Had them in great form a few weeks back too.
By:
Reyes
When: 26 Nov 10 14:23
ok so that's CH out of this now.

Was really impressed by SR until that moment, be interesting to see how they campaign him and FR from now on.
By:
sintonian
When: 26 Nov 10 14:28
Reyes, they started SR over 2m4f and FR over 2m .. I think we know who goes where already tbh.Listening to the owner (Michael Buckley) yesterday, he sees stamina as more of his thing ... but we'll see.
By:
Reyes
When: 26 Nov 10 14:30
i like my Arkle horses to stay a bit further than 2m Sint...

You're prob right but we shall see
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 26 Nov 10 18:31
CELESTIAL HALO........Paul Nicholls reported "He'll go back hurdling now - he just didn't like it." today in Grade 2, Novices' Chase at Newbury.

(He fell in last two starts which would not have done him much good so maybe it's a confidence boost he needs ?)


WON £331,926 (£347,981 in total) in prize money over the small obstacles !   

http://www.racingpost.com/horses/horse_home.sd?horse_id=649321
By:
buddeliea
When: 26 Nov 10 19:22
This is a perfect example of being wary with the.......best Hurdlers make the best chasers theory,and backing horses for the Arkle based on their Hurdles rating.
By:
sintonian
When: 27 Nov 10 19:42
Royal Charm entered to run at Exter next Thursday over 2m3f. Interesting if he runs .. some other notable opponents entered as well, Mr Thriller and Wishful Thinking.
By:
Shakepseare's Sheriff
When: 02 Dec 10 16:35
I see that Quwetwo has shortened in the betting for the Arkle.  Thought the horse was out for the season....does anyone know if have they got the horse fit and are reconsidering.  Great chance if fit!
By:
eric_morris
When: 02 Dec 10 16:53
Very heavy bodied horse needs it soft/heavy wont be suited to chasing imo
By:
Shakepseare's Sheriff
When: 02 Dec 10 17:30
eric.....what on earth you on about, most best chasers are big horses!!!!!!!  Denman for one.
By:
eric_morris
When: 02 Dec 10 18:13
This one likes soft ground look at his form he doesnt like Festival ground ... he absolutely dwarfed Zaynar at Kelso last season.
By:
Reyes
When: 02 Dec 10 19:07
gutted that the Henry II (or VIII, i always mix them up) is off Saturday. Good contest usually.

No chance of a reschedule.
By:
sintonian
When: 04 Dec 10 19:00
a litte bit surprsied at the difference in odds between Royal Charm and Tara Blaze tomorrow. As a Royal Charm backer/fan, I dont like the fact he is going up in trip and conceding 5lb to a horse who looks more stamina laden. But I hope Class will bring home the bacon!
By:
eric_morris
When: 04 Dec 10 19:14
If he doesnt get that trip away from Chelts he will struggle over any trip there.
By:
sintonian
When: 04 Dec 10 20:14
but it is not the trip that worries me a bit, eric. As I said, it is the fact he takes on a horse who appears to have ''more'' stamina and will be conceding 5lbs, but I hope he is classy enough. Great prize money for a 3 runner race tbf
By:
eric_morris
When: 04 Dec 10 20:53
RSA Stayer Wymott beat Tarablaze comfortably over a similar trip so he cant have much pace would think Royal Charm shouldnt have too many probs unless they see him more of an RSA horse.
By:
sintonian
When: 05 Dec 10 09:25
second inspection at 10.00 am ffs!
By:
eric_morris
When: 05 Dec 10 13:14
Noble Prince looks an ideal candidate for the new 2m 4f chase he seems to lack that bit of toe when it matters for an Arkle horse. He has run well over 3m over hurdles and seems to have a preference for slower ground. None of these good signs for an Arkle imo.

Captain Chris who was mentioned in the first post on this thread ran v well in the hottest Arkle trial so far for me. He will improve a lot for better ground and that first outing over fences where we already know he jumps well. A strong run Arkle on faster ground will suit him down to the ground where he will travel better and forge on strongly to the line. The first day at the Festival is good/soft but a bit quicker than the Cheltenham trial which will make things interesting between him and Ghizao, who also likes good/soft come March.
By:
sintonian
When: 05 Dec 10 13:28
you've not mentioned the fact CC has been off since that race and will be for the foreseeable future whilst he has his breathing checked.

Any idea why Royal Charm was a NR ?
By:
eric_morris
When: 05 Dec 10 13:29
Just looking at P Nicholls Antepost 3 novice chasers to follow given as The Winack, Picture This and Watamu Bay. Typical of him not to give the lowdown on those that really matter. He continues to follow his usual keep quiet about the good ones routine.
By:
Reyes
When: 05 Dec 10 13:44
ground i think Sint, no chances taken
By:
eric_morris
When: 05 Dec 10 14:15
Royal Charm is entered for the 2m 5f novice chase at Cheltenham next Friday with Spirit River, Reve De Sivola, Surfing, Jessie's Dream, and Time For Rupert though the trip will be too short for him.

Interesting Nicholls is doubting him as an Arkle horse and reading between the lines am wondering if he intends giving this horse a stayers education but without the hustle and bustle of an Arkle which Kauto Star also did not run in during his journey to the top. He has been running on soft ground up until last time and has been very much looked after by the trainer with the long term in mind. Mentioning he is not sure about the Arkle being the right race for him and mentioning him in the same breath as Kauto Star gives a big clue as to where he is looking in trip imo and the entry for this 2m 5f test does nothing to change that. Nicholls doesnt prepare his prospective Gold Cup horses in Arkle's imo.

"Royal Charm was always going to go to this meeting after winning last time," he said. "He likes Exeter and it's an ideal race for his next start. He won well last time, likes soft ground and likes the track so he has a lot in his favour."
By:
eric_morris
When: 05 Dec 10 14:22
Captain Chris using a tongue tie -

Philip Hobbs now hopes a tongue-tie will help the gelding, who suffers from a breathing problem. "He has schooled very well over fences," said the trainer. "He has run well on soft ground, though I would prefer better ground."
By:
flushgordon
When: 05 Dec 10 16:58
i dont think i have seen a novice jump a fence better than royal charm in the last 10 years.
By:
gutfeeling
When: 05 Dec 10 17:15
kauto didnt run in the arkle as he had won over fences prior to going to nicholls hence he was inelegable for the race em.

thought noble prince looked good on his last start myself but psycho looked great on his last run imo,fto over fences wasnt even put in the race but jumped well enough...wonder if they will drop him in trip nto??
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