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im going to have a wee dabble on a short price double at perth this evening .
CINAMAN who is awinner without a penalty imo. 7.10 PERTH SHOPFRONTSPECIALIST who after hacking up at perth bumped into impersonator next time. 9.10 perth. |
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i think ROSANARA will win the nassau stakes today now that the rain has hit the track . i was there win she won at longchamp and has not hit form yet this year i am very hope full today will be the day .
i have always considered midday a fast ground horse and i am willing to go against trainer and jockey who think otherwise.stacelita would have to be a danger but soumillon has a terrible record over hear. any thoughts guys. |
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surely hibaayeb wont be able to handle this soft ground in germany
4.10 dusseldorf.by singspiel out of a lion cavern mare . |
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ive had a wee whisper tonight lads for WEETENTHERTY in the 8.55 at carlisle .
p.s. dont shoot the messenger. |
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''the lay preacher 24 Jul 10 17:22
the breeding never lies phs'' LOL apart from Canford Cliffs needing some cut and another half a dozen losers on the same page!! You guys seem to ignore all the losers and bask in the odd winner. If it's making you loads, though, good luck to you. |
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duncan if you have something usefull to say about a horses pedigree
we are all ears . p.s richard hannon himself says canford cliffs is a better horse with cut in the ground. |
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i dont listen to trainers...best not to imo, they're good at animal husbandry..not so good with a formbook/at race reading.
I've said plenty in the past tbh. Good luck tlp. |
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i think TIPPERARY BOUTIQUE could run a nice race in the 4.40 at york
was not knocked about last time out bordering on being stopped. might have a couple of quid e/w on .out of a mtoto mare she should be running on strongly at the end whatever happens . p.s duncan to be honest m8 i normally dont bother with what trainers say myself good luck with your punting. |
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i think cinaman is worth another chance in the 3.40 at newton abbot
the fast ground was his undoing last time imo. |
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sorry 2.40 newton abbot.
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the bet of the day is PETELLA in the 5.35 at ripon .
although i rate kelly harrison she has made one almighty arse of riding this horse on its last 2 runs and i reckon she should have won both of them hanagan takes over today and that should make all the difference. |
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i am going to follow CINAMAN over the cliff in the 4.20 at newton abbott this is defo his last chance.
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I always thought that sires and going for the NH scene was largely irrelevant...
For sure, one can talk about Fairy King's appearing better on soft on the flat etc - although the horse's action itself, surely must be the deciding factor - not the name of its sire... But NH? I'm more interested in DISTANCE... They always used to tell me that 7f horses off the flat were good 2 milers on the jumps and middle distance flat horses were good 3-milers... so one would imagine a sire of such on the flat would get the resulting over jumps... Double trigger was a dour stayer on the flat with a never-be-beaten attitude... His progeny are often similar - i.e. they are strong stayers, gallopers, not given to a turn of foot... AS IT HAPPENS, these characteristics are often useful in soft ground... but that is a by-product, not a pre-requisite... Just as an example, there is a pretty good selection of information to be found on the Bloodstock pages of the racing porst online, and doesn't even - currently - require subscription Double Trigger's progeny to date, see below 1988 TO DATE WINS RUNS % 2ND 3RD £ PRIZE Flat 7 150 5 6 9 25,021 All-weather 9 79 11 3 3 23,537 Jumps 95 1000 10 90 84 502,757 2yo 1 41 2 0 3 3,543 Broodmare sires 0 13 2 3 0 5-6f 0 6 0 0 0 7-9f 1 57 2 1 4 3,543 10-11f 1 44 2 1 2 4,095 12-13f 3 50 6 2 1 10,356 14f+ 11 73 15 5 5 30,561 Heavy 11 119 9 10 13 72,950 Soft 20 247 8 23 19 165,505 Gd-sft 14 234 6 15 21 55,431 Good 33 332 10 31 26 138,040 Gd-fm 24 196 12 16 13 95,851 Statistics are for GB and Ireland unless otherwise stated |
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It's not great visually, but one CAN extract the impression that DT is ground resistant, but imparts real stamina... would be good to see some fast mares go to him to see what THAT bore...
Top Players' wins and earnings: £98,389 Russian Trigger's - Utt 34Sft, Fol 31GS, Wcn 22Sft, Mar 22GS, Per 21Sft £82,123 Double dizzy - Wcn 26Sft, Tau 24Hy, Exe 23GF £80,814 Faltering Fullback - Lis 22Gd, Kln 17Gd, Lim 16Y/Sft, Thu 16Hy, Thu 16Sft £54,104 Twelve Paces - Per 24Gd, Kel 23Sft, Crl 26Hy, Crl 25Sft, Nab 17GF £47,180 Earlsfield Raider - Fon 19GS, Wor 16Sft, Lei 16Hy, Lei 16GS, Fon 23GF Tow 21Gd, Plu 21Gd, Wol 12St/Slw San 17Gd HORSE DAM'S SIRE WINS PLACES RUNS £ PRIZE RPR Russian Trigger Bustino 5 2 12 98,389 146 Double Dizzy Sexton Blake 3 16 46 82,123 138 Faltering Fullback Ardross 5 6 18 80,814 140 Twelve Paces Rymer 5 8 24 54,104 125 Earlsfield Raider Pennine Walk 8 10 35 44,625 122 Triggernometry Dubassoff 3 6 30 31,718 117 Trigger The Light Idiots Delight 4 5 21 28,429 136 Presumptuous Classic Secret 3 3 16 26,553 125 Double Mead Norwick 3 8 16 22,101 125 Double The Trouble Crash Course 4 7 29 21,381 123 Solway Sam Strong Gale 5 1 9 18,129 134 City Of Doral Gildoran 2 1 13 17,000 123 Radnor Lad Dara Monarch 3 4 23 14,704 124 Triggerman Buckskin 3 4 9 13,777 135 Gold Reef Gulch 2 4 15 13,512 116 Jades Double Buckley 2 5 30 13,416 106 Bugsy´s Boy Aragon 2 3 12 12,226 126 Callerlilly Callernish 2 3 18 10,240 116 Water Pistol Environment Friend 1 5 46 10,141 81 Charmaine Wood Be My Native 3 1 8 9,541 113 Ikorodu Road Roselier 1 3 6 9,045 125 Miss Doublet Sunley Builds 1 5 21 8,095 82 Angie´s Double Archway 3 0 17 8,026 89 Double Pride Be My Native 2 4 6 7,707 112 Aya Strong Gale 2 5 11 7,541 98 Trigger Guard Pennine Walk 2 2 15 7,535 107 Brickies Mate Oats 2 0 9 6,356 112 Penteli Carlingford Castle 1 3 10 6,231 86 Timetwogo King´s Ride 1 2 14 6,145 111 Swincombe Rock Sulaafah 1 2 5 6,004 119 Devon Native Be My Native 1 4 10 5,987 111 Double Law Legal Tender 0 3 14 5,677 109 Boomtown Kat Catrail 1 3 9 5,571 111 Malakai On Your Mark 2 0 3 4,965 114 Patrixbourne Pollerton 1 2 11 4,721 81 Double Magnum Rymer 1 2 11 4,684 104 Sparkling Zola Derring Rose 1 1 9 4,368 99 Sun Pageant Chief´s Crown 2 0 4 3,962 95 Double Shot Be Friendly 0 3 7 3,617 116 Scottish Munros Bustino 0 2 7 2,424 104 Pairtree Be My Native 1 0 2 1,904 95 All About Trigger Ardross 0 3 6 1,719 117 Major Comet Common Grounds 1 0 2 1,713 98 Double Gin Baron Blakeney 0 3 4 1,664 103 Unanswered Phantom Breeze 0 1 7 1,517 106 Double Attraction Phardante 0 2 12 1,427 97 Aim For The Stars Celtic Cone 0 1 7 1,121 106 Triggerlino Relkino 0 2 8 982 74 Double Turn Palm Track 0 1 2 955 91 Half Cocked Quiet Fling 0 3 5 899 103 Double Bank Scottish Reel 0 1 8 739 110 Wham Bang Idiots Delight 0 0 7 703 88 Fille Detente Be My Chief 0 1 12 656 85 Kinsford Cowboy Roselier 0 1 3 619 93 Legal Joy Carlingford Castle 0 1 7 478 79 Jayjay Valentine Magic Ring 0 1 4 399 91 Princess Yasmin Oats 0 1 3 375 95 Larry´s Choice Denel 0 0 7 338 80 Solway Flight Mtoto 0 1 4 325 77 Silver Palomino St Columbus 0 1 7 242 77 Redskin Ambush Indian Ridge 0 1 1 240 92 Double´s Daughter Electric 0 0 7 239 74 Living The Dream Kalaglow 0 0 7 239 86 Tuesday´s Gone Lancastrian 0 1 4 200 81 Know Your Place Ardross 0 0 6 136 95 Belmore Baron Baron Blakeney 0 0 1 0 89 Chantilly Passion Northern Fashion 0 0 5 0 87 Follow The Dream Kalaglow 0 0 3 0 79 Golden Celebration Good Thyne 0 0 4 0 84 Hello Noddy Town And Country 0 0 4 0 61 Hops´s Trouble Lighter 0 0 1 0 32 Killing Joke Vision 0 0 7 0 62 Kwami Gun Glint Of Gold 0 0 2 0 76 Mist Again Idiots Delight 0 0 10 0 72 My Devon-Girl Be My Native 0 0 3 0 82 Never Know King´s Ride 0 0 2 0 43 Play It Again Comedy Star 0 0 3 0 70 Quick Draw Oats 0 0 4 0 97 Simple Gifts High Estate 0 0 5 0 83 Sooky Kabour 0 0 2 0 79 Sweet Shooter High Top 0 0 10 0 81 Trigger Lea Saddlers´ Hall 0 0 6 0 78 Twin Bud Lord Bud 0 0 3 0 83 Whistle Dixie Le Moss 0 0 5 0 85 Withymaid Celtic Cone 0 0 2 0 51 Annabelle´s Boy Archway 0 0 9 0 72 Beat The Bandits Jupiter Island 0 0 1 0 35 Border Lad Contract Law 0 0 5 0 78 Brackenorah Pennine Walk 0 0 1 0 29 Catapult King Sunley Builds 0 0 1 0 Chanfron Thowra 0 0 1 0 30 Diamond Dew Rymer 0 0 3 0 51 Double Belle Thowra 0 0 1 0 0 Double Diva Arctic Lord 0 0 4 0 58 Double Grace Tudor Flame 0 0 3 0 55 Double Money Billion 0 0 3 0 21 Double Tangle Nader 0 0 2 0 30 Double Wonder Quart De Vin 0 0 2 0 15 Fashion Shoot Northern Fashion 0 0 8 0 63 Flora Lou Crash Course 0 0 1 0 48 Gayczar Indian King 0 0 2 0 54 Gladys Gertrude Sagace 0 0 2 0 22 Golden Trigger Pollerton 0 0 17 0 98 Hinton Luciana Vital Season 0 0 2 0 Hold The Trigger Bustino 0 0 2 0 80 Honest Oats 0 0 3 0 90 Just Olive Homing 0 0 3 0 Kymlyn Almoojid 0 0 2 0 66 Lady Percy Dunbeath 0 0 1 0 0 Lady Riffraff Lashkari 0 0 1 0 69 Lagan Gunsmoke Lidhame 0 0 2 0 68 Lions In Law Environment Friend 0 0 1 0 88 Los Arcos Rakaposhi King 0 0 3 0 32 Madame Allsorts Chauve Souris 0 0 1 0 91 Manics Man Nearly A Hand 0 0 1 0 52 Nobbys Girl Petoski 0 0 5 0 35 Norman Norman Sagace 0 0 1 0 On The Double Posen 0 0 1 0 Our Ted Alzao 0 0 4 0 62 Paperboy In The Wings 0 0 3 0 56 Pitton Victor Old Vic 0 0 5 0 96 Prince Ickarus Bustino 0 0 3 0 91 Queenstown Lad Aragon 0 0 3 0 34 Quick Draw McGraw Cadoudal 0 0 2 0 59 Rose Amber Relkino 0 0 4 0 60 Sail On Silver Lighter 0 0 1 0 Sales Flow Rakaposhi King 0 0 6 0 65 Seapin Aragon 0 0 2 0 0 Shoot The Guest Thatching 0 0 2 0 47 Shotgun Annie Old Vic 0 0 2 0 25 Skipping Suzy Crash Course 0 0 1 0 38 Solway Trigger Cut Above 0 0 1 0 0 Soxon Fire Lashkari 0 0 2 0 64 Temple Green Pollerton 0 0 1 0 The Main Man Pennine Walk 0 0 1 0 73 Trigger Tease Vision 0 0 2 0 59 Two Mile Oak Rymer 0 0 2 0 0 Waifer´s Lad Baron Blakeney 0 0 2 0 46 Whispering Grass Blakeney 0 0 2 0 82 |
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ever since the derby i have fancied MIDAS TOUCH for the st leger.
with the ground looking like its going to be good or maybe a wee touch slower i think e/w at 9/1 is a cracking bet sure to come on for his york run he has been screaming out for this trip all season. any thoughts guys. |
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frankel may not handle this soft ground i think i will lay it.
just a wee bit worried his class might carry him through any thoughts guys . |
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ground was no worse than good according to times.
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anyone going to the arc if so any fancys for the 2 days.
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good ground or good to soft = FAME AND GLORY.
soft ground or worse = BEHKABAD |
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Hoping for Behkabad tlp
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the ground done you red by the time of the arc it was no worse than good . it must have been about 70 degrees at one stage happly i managed to find misty for me and wooton bassett so it wasnt too bad a day.
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Good for you mate. This weather is driving me mad, rain then drying. [smiley:crazy]
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$$$ one of the biggest myths in racing ,sires have an influence on ground preference, off course they do ,nearly every group race in the passed 4 weeke's has been determined ,on sires who like soft ground ,
it begger's belief how little some people know.  |
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correct bigmart.
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massively overstated.
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merry xmas everyone and a happy new year when it comes.
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redal ben 10 phs and others lets get this thread going this season lads .
fell away a bit last year . lets be avin you with your comments. good luck all this coming flat season. |
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Thanks ngu
TLP - only just seen your 29 Mar (due to ngu ttting) |
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hi phs how are you doin m8.
the season just starting to warm up now . ive not had any notable bets yet. what about yourself . what do you think of frankels chances. |
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tlp, sorry just seen this. The forum has been very slow so I haven't checked so much.
The season is warming up and I hope the thread can contribute to a successful one |
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what happened to this brilliant thread.
lets get it going again . the improving french bred LONG RUN will hack up in the king george imo. 5/4 is a fantastic price. |
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is this a breeding forum
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This is the MOST POPULAR THREAD on the "Bloodstock & Breeding" Forum with 512 posts and 6,300 views.
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Just seen this bumped, so thought I'd say Hello. TLP, sorry I missed your 18/04/11 post
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Sorry Easygold
Should of said here  |
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Na mate, it was just for all-weather .......... sires % on the sand ONLY...
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