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By:
PHS
When: 26 Nov 09 17:33
Amanda Perrett does it again with a FTO 2yo :0

On the AW this time - Kem18:00
By:
ben10
When: 26 Nov 09 18:08
Evening PHS, how's the jumps season treating you?
By:
PHS
When: 26 Nov 09 19:12
Hi Ben.

Don't do jumps at all. Not something I've ever got into TBH.
By:
ben10
When: 26 Nov 09 20:36
Really, I enjoy the small field slogs on heavy, usually find some nice prices, particularly at the Northern tracks. Just the all weather then, you looked at any of the maidens much recently? Look out for Haafhds first time out on the all weather, quite a few improve 10lbs for it.
By:
PHS
When: 26 Nov 09 21:16
Not looked at any maidens with a view to finding winners i.e. not in anything like the detail like I was. Only for laying purposes if anything looks wrong.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 07 Mar 10 07:43
not long to the flat now lads.
By:
redal2
When: 07 Mar 10 11:13
Thanks for bringing this back up. I picked up a lot of pointers from it last year due to the expertise of the main contributors, like PHS and Ben. I have to say that despite the headlong rush to Cheltenham I am really looking forward most to the return of the Flat, a complete turn around for me in the last two or three years.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 11 Mar 10 11:56
2 weeks to go.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 19 Mar 10 06:52
1 week to go.
By:
hOOd
When: 19 Mar 10 19:53
Curragh on Sunday as a nice appetiser and a group race in France tomorrow too
By:
geoff m
When: 24 Mar 10 11:33
This may well have been covered earleir on the thread.
Hear it time an many about sires & offsprings preference for ground conditions.
But surely thats only part of the jigsaw what if the dam /dams sire /grand dam all had a preference for the opposite type of going ?
Doesnt that have just as much bearing.
By:
ben10
When: 24 Mar 10 12:02
TLP has a theory that that's the most important part for going preference, I'm sure he'll elaborate.
By:
abradburystar
When: 24 Mar 10 12:06
Geoff M

You have a point but it is easier to have opinions about sires which have lets say 100 runners a year than dams who have one.

Personally I operate mainly in 2-y-o races and try to get over this problem by rating sires on a binary system

+1 conditions ideal , 0 ok, -1 condition agst.

Now when I have a 0 I will then look at the following:

1. The dam
2. The strength of the opposition.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 01 Apr 10 12:42
in the 2.10 at folf today molly mylennis is the only horse among the

principles sure to handle the ground imo.

any thoughts.
By:
redal2
When: 01 Apr 10 12:54
I hope so as I backed it last night but I thought Shafgaan might do too, the sire and damsire both have decent heavy ground stats over 12%
By:
the lay preacher
When: 01 Apr 10 13:26
redal iwill be surprised if shafgaan handles the ground .

oasis dream is a big influence for fast ground horses although the damsire night shift to be fair does get a few soft ground performers.
By:
abradburystar
When: 01 Apr 10 13:53
Only problem I can see is Needwood Blade is only2-29 on soft and heavy going with 2-y-o's so far. But i agree Molly Mylenis is the best of a bad lot.

But then the bonus races are going to take the best horses.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 01 Apr 10 14:25
you would think molly would pick up a similar event next time out

lost more ground than it was beat at the start.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 01 Apr 10 15:01
3.10 folk rio mist will love this ground imo.
By:
redal2
When: 01 Apr 10 15:11
good call tlp. I was looking for dangers to MM and she ended up beating herself in the stall. Price gone next time as well.
I had a tip for Caramelita but agree Captain Rios in this ground are always a danger.
By:
redal2
When: 01 Apr 10 15:19
Win and the exacta :-)
By:
the lay preacher
When: 01 Apr 10 15:20
well done m8.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 01 Apr 10 15:23
harlech castle the most likely to handle the ground in the next.
By:
redal2
When: 01 Apr 10 15:32
Signore Momente, another Capt. Rio with good Irish record on the ground? But yes HC has a good Southwell record which is a bit like soft/heavy ground IMO
By:
redal2
When: 01 Apr 10 16:12
Disaster all round there, happily HC should be OK
By:
the lay preacher
When: 08 Apr 10 09:55
surely molly mylennis will take revenge in the 2.15 at leic today .

any thoughts guys.
By:
redal2
When: 08 Apr 10 13:50
You'd think so but I've taken a hit in the last couple of 2yo races so will watch. Wouldn't be shocked if Calormen won but the yard seem slow off the mark.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 08 Apr 10 14:20
surely they must turn this around.
By:
redal2
When: 08 Apr 10 14:31
terrible decision. Just what do they have to do to be thrown out? That cost MM more than half a length surely? British racing is way out of step in these things.
By:
abradburystar
When: 08 Apr 10 14:51
Lay Preacher

V.v.unlucky - that was a shocking stewards decision
By:
the lay preacher
When: 08 Apr 10 14:54
a bad decision alright .

really like what a friend at aintree am i on my own.
By:
abradburystar
When: 08 Apr 10 15:22
WD - with What a Friend
By:
the lay preacher
When: 08 Apr 10 15:24
cheers m8.
By:
redal2
When: 08 Apr 10 15:44
WD tlp. Strange goings on at Taunton
By:
the lay preacher
When: 09 Apr 10 14:11
jubilant note the one today 7.15 wolver.
By:
redal2
When: 09 Apr 10 19:30
Not when it's held out the back till the last bend. When will they ever learn?
By:
the lay preacher
When: 14 Apr 10 09:51
the nell gwyn today at 4.10 the the filly who should be most

suited to the predicted fastish going at newkmarket is atasari imo

others that will like the ground are safina dyna waltz and srda.

any thoughts guys.
By:
abradburystar
When: 14 Apr 10 12:41
Have no concrete views but couldn't disagree with what you say
By:
ben10
When: 14 Apr 10 14:18
Afternoon guys, thought Distinctive might be the value but tough race to fathom with the inexperienced ones, do think Atasari will beat Music Show at least.
Quite fancy Theology in the maiden towards the end of the card, depends how quick the ground is riding though.
By:
the lay preacher
When: 14 Apr 10 14:29
the quicker the ground the better for that one ben.
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