thats you picking the things that were my opinion...do you want us to list the facts again...jeez there was enough of them!

attitude adjuster,

What exactly is Cher's talent please?

She's not exactly a looker.
shes 16 you sick puppy, better looking than you though id imagine
She's no dancer.
stupid comment! and i think you know it!
She has no charm.
Don't think shes there to charm you...not her style and how she will be marketed
She can't write a song
[b]anyone can write a song,  she doesn't have a contract so why would she...shes 16 by the way! which 16 yo can?[/b]
She can't play an instrument.
Not can many 16 yo in the pop industry can...especially x Factor contestants
She has a forgettable voice.
Pathetic! leave it at that!
She can't rap.
Yes she can, you know nowt about her!
She can't smile.
Yes she can,  it would be a pysical impossibility and a marvel of science if she couldn't!
She has no semblance of an original thought in her head
Now thats just a personal jibe...should be ashamed of yourself talking about a 16yo girl like that...you got a mirror ??? go look in it!

and J thinks she's the new Michael Jackson/Princess Plain

Well this is personal opinion...what would be more current would be the uks alternative to justin bieber!

what the hell are you doing here...you dont belong here ..you dont belong here ![smiley:crazy]
lol

Absolutely hilarious.
10 out of 10 reply rozel.
So much personnal sh*t on here.
What started out as trying to help punters out with a decent value bet.
Why do people get so sh**ty.
Like Rozel said,all these hate mongers.
Basically jealous to**ers.
Just cant handle a young talent with attitude on the way to the easy life whilst theyre sucking it up on benefits or minimum wage jobs.
All this gyppo bo**cks.
Tell you what,me and Rozel will give you gyppo ,picking on a young kid.
You sad losers
Ide say good luck if matt wins.
But as ive already said,Simon wants Cher or Rebecca,not some smoking boozing bum.
Give it to someone who deserves it and has the talent and will graft when they get the chance.
Problem with becky,he needs more time with her to sort out her confidence issues.
Did i lay in a bit thick there Roz.

Tick tock,sure your Rozel and not that fu**in croc from peter pan

Pulling things back a bit to Henry VIII's question.

On Saturday one performance was her traditional insertion of rap into a song and the other was a rock & rap song. Rap is a minor genre. The average voter associates rap with crime, violence and stupidity (and with sound reason).
How therefore can she win over the XF demographic (she's not going to do just Stay type performances from now on)?

I think the uncompromising material she did on Saturday has to be taken in context.

Cher had gone completely offcourse the week before. Not only was Imagine alien to her core support and a poor vehicle for her talent/expression, but she followed it up with a 'Stay' retread. The result was a near disaster which had the positive side-effect of making Cher and her team realise they HAD to 'reset' the course.

Saturday's two performances were Cher laying down a BASE from where she can kick on.
Look at her aggressive look for a start, very much a 'warpaint' use of makeup the polar opposite to the ill advised 'angelic' look of the week before.
On an obvious level that was resetting the BASE away from the ballads and positioning her final weeks to focus fully on her unique strengths and skills.
But also remember that the egyptians used warpaint to transform the wearer into a 'channel' and variations on such traditions have remained within other cultures including Cher's. The channeling of clarity of purpose and purity of energy can give her an invisible but very tangible turboboost in what is after all the final furlong of the race.

So that being the purpose of Saturday's double-whammy, it would be a mistake to assume that the same intense usage of rap specifically will be employed in the semis and final. The job of 'resetting' has been done (and it HAD to be done). She'll move more to utilise the appealing elements of her original audition performance which so engaged the audience first time around.
The look will be softer, the tone warmer, and all of this will stem naturally from Cher's refound clarity of vision.

Don't forget this is the girl whose insistence on control of her own arrangements, own styling, own dance movements has got on the wick of some of the gormless backstagers who don't take into consideration that same desire for auteur-level control was a feature of the early Madonna, the early Prince etc.

well im confident its between Cher and One Direction as you've stated before!.

its gonna take just take a few weeks now until i pik up my 10k plus...tick tock tick tock boooooooooooooooooooooooooom  happy days !

I'm confident it's between Matt and ................................. Rebecca has an outside chance.  Don't think the others will win.

she is cr ap full stop

Interesting post Journeyman, exciting to see what she comes up with on Saturday.

No problem AA.
Once the Malvern princess moves solidly into the final 3 I might even stand you a pint of Louis XII cognac

Journey

Hope 'The Singing Candle' doesn't nab your 3rd final spot.

It will be pints of Louis XII cognac [:p][:p][:p](thats me,Journey and Rozel)

"come on lou stop ramping Matts choo coo train"
"The queen of pops in town,he will be slain"
"journey,Rozel and 247"
"Pints of louis XII,7th heaven"
Hope you are enjoying my singing.
Ringa dingy ringa ding ding.
You never listen to a thing.
After d final you'll be selling all your bling
Suck it up douch bags and mamas
Matts one big bum*er.
Beckys shaking so much,she p*ssing her panties.
Come on Cher,think ill have another 20

I know theres freedom of speech Journey,but when you spend days trying to reason with unreasonable people,its time to block them.
Lou and horseplacing are off the scale for stupidity.
We are not trying to convince ourselves Cher will win,we are trying to convince others.
Properly analyzed,it all seems so obvious.
Simon Cowell will come out next week,like Chers week and announce "i think there could be a shock this week",because he knows the music market like no other.
He knew Cher bummed it with imagine,But he also knows that its talent time now,whose going to bring something new to the table.
Thats when it becomes clear whats happening here,Rebecca will come out with her usual timid performance,Matt will not be showing us anything we havent seen before,One direction are what they are,not going to comment on Mary,no point,Cher is going to step it up a gear again and blow the house down.
The public are going to be in awe and suddenly click who the real deal is,after favourable comments from Simon.

All the better acts get complimented,but not to the level of cher

oh dear u silly people;CHER HAS NO CHANCE I REPEAT NO CHANCE OF WINNING X FACTOR

some pretty pathetic fanboy comments from a few on here; this is a betting website ffs, why are u getting emotionally involved??

journeyman, really interesting well-thought out post at 07.57, especially for so early in the morning. i agree with your points - gaining an identity as an artist may well help her more in the long run even if she ends up 3rd or 4th...BUT i keep coming back to the voting public and i cannot see how in a million years such a provocative and controversial and niche figure stands a hope in hell of gaining enough votes to win. i thinks she may well go out tonight, though that is obviously not what the judges want...

Mmmm okay let's review the debris in the (extremely) cold light of day.

It actually struck me as a bit odd that in the space of the same show, Cher went into the final anhd simultaneously became almost unbackable to win.
Leaving everything else aside, that is a strange combination of events!?

First up, those like Nick who thought she might fall foul of the weekend's voting, well done you were right.

I can understand why some are seeing her current price of 50s as a trading opportunity. In truth it's a bad price and best avoided.
As I'm already on (average 32s) it's possibly worth sitting tight and looking for a better exit price but it's certainly not a get in price.

A good comparison was when Aiseleyne (BB7) was just starting to gain momentum I was banging on about backing her at 100s, that momentum leading to a great journey.
Cher at 50s, with fading momentum, ph1ixx accusations, doubts over her core vote etc is more of a 'catching knives' price in all honesty.

Much more interesting though is the top 3 price. Cher top 3 is 4.5 and my final selection of X Factor 2010 is a 3 pt bet on that.
Assuming the final is a straight PV then there's no 'anti-Cher' candidate per se the media can catch onto, because none of the 'Big 3' have gone through the test of being in a sing off or in any kind of trouble.
Also, it only needs one of the Big 3's support to show complacency in the wake of endless easy passges (up against a 'do or die' Cher support that know she's clinging on by her Nicki Minaj pink painted fingernails) to let her back in the door.
The 'bounce effect' is perhaps a factor if you're a great believer in it (I'm not) but less discussed is one other factor...

...which is simply that the public can be UNPREDICTABLE when presented with a massive underdog and a tabloid press kicking her when she's down.

All that makes her true price for top 3 much less than 4.5 surely? Anyway hope you're all keeping warm and have enough baked beans in the cupboard.

Backing someone @ 50's who put in the best performance in the final isn't really that muggish imo