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By:
mesmerised
When: 05 Jun 26 19:05
Wags

@wagsischasing
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1h
Matteo Arnaldi was 100% paid off by the Italian government to withdraw from today’s match to give Flavio Cobolli extra rest before the title match with Alexander Zverev.

They know Cobolli has the best chance to defeat Zverev, so why tire him out? This is a prime example of tampering. The Italians should be banned from all future events for rigging this final. I expect a full investigation from the tour.

This is unacceptable.


LaughLaugh
By:
tobiasr
When: 05 Jun 26 19:31
lol
By:
stu
When: 05 Jun 26 19:51
Wonder how big that guy's red is on Cob Laugh
By:
tobiasr
When: 05 Jun 26 19:54
or if its Zverev in disguise
By:
stu
When: 05 Jun 26 21:13
Grin
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 05:06

Jun 5, 2026 -- 7:05PM, mesmerised wrote:


Wags @wagsischasing·1hMatteo Arnaldi was 100% paid off by the Italian government to withdraw from today’s match to give Flavio Cobolli extra rest before the title match with Alexander Zverev. They know Cobolli has the best chance to defeat Zverev, so why tire him out? This is a prime example of tampering. The Italians should be banned from all future events for rigging this final. I expect a full investigation from the tour. This is unacceptable.


we used to have these nuts on here, but now they are on twitter instead :(

By:
mesmerised
When: 06 Jun 26 11:21
Looking at the forecast, roof will most likely be closed, taking out the sun and the wind will make for a better match and I don't think there is a clear favourite despite what the odds say - that's assuming Maja doesn't get stage fright and continues playing the same level, she doesn't look like someone that does, doesn't rant or rave either, the more emotional a player gets generally the more likely they are to lose. Andreeva more prone to that. Value wise I'd take the Pole.

If Mirra does win the average rank of the opponents she'd have beaten during this slam would be 100, when Emma won the US Open, from the first round not qualies, ave. rank of opponent was 52.

Looking at the last few slams in the womens

Aus26 - Rybakina beat ave. rank of 37.2.
US Open25 - Sabalenka beat ave. rank of 57.3
Wimbledon25 - Swiatek beat ave. rank of 59.1
FO25  - Gauff beat ave. rank of 100 - helped by Boisson's 361 rank.
Aus25 - Keys beat ave. rank of 36.7
US Open24 - Sabaenka beat ave. rank 52.9
Wimbledon24 - Krejcikova beat ave. rank of 32.3
FO24 - Swiatek beat ave. rank of 53.4
Aus24 - Sabakenka beat ave. rank 112 - helped by Anisimova'a fake 442 comeback ranking.
US Open 23 - Gauff beat ave. rank 124 - helped by Wozniacki's fake 623 ranking.
By:
tobiasr
When: 06 Jun 26 13:00
not only did emma beat higher ranked players, she didnt drop even one set iirc. maja wont be topping emma if she wins
By:
mesmerised
When: 06 Jun 26 13:28
Anne told viewers to go and watch Coco's match against Maja, Coco laughed it off but you can guarantee she was absolutely seething inside because she's trying to build a broadcasting career as this nice, sunny blonde personality but clips like against Maja make her look bad, bet she's pulls her up off air for it.
By:
mesmerised
When: 06 Jun 26 13:43
Market spooked into thinking Maja unwell just because her voice is a bit hoarse lol.
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 13:48

Jun 6, 2026 -- 1:28PM, mesmerised wrote:


Anne told viewers to go and watch Coco's match against Maja, Coco laughed it off but you can guarantee she was absolutely seething inside because she's trying to build a broadcasting career as this nice, sunny blonde personality but clips like against Maja make her look bad, bet she's pulls her up off air for it.


Laugh

karma!

By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 13:49
not saying Coco wasn't seething about that, but I think their reputation as b1tches has helped both her and Collins to get tv gigs. Noone's hiring Shelby Rogers who's the nicest girl around, and would also have lots to contribute with.
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 13:53
not really sunny nice blonde personality, is it?
https://x.com/christianscourt/status/1914719537661956418
By:
mesmerised
When: 06 Jun 26 14:06
I find it hard to listen to ex-players who were bang average like Coco and Anne, or Barry Cowan who was talking about the final on talksport this morning, need to listen to people who've been there and done it, can only imagine what Evert thinks when Anne's pontificating as she was some kind of ex-top pro with bucket loads to slams. Collins though is hot so she can stay.
By:
mesmerised
When: 06 Jun 26 14:17
Boris was too busy stuffing his face when he was dragged out in front of cameraLaugh
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 14:36
I see no correlation in how good they are as commentators compared to how they were as players. Listening to Marion Bartoli talk about how she beat Serena Williams doesn't stop her from being a useless commentator.
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 14:38

Jun 6, 2026 -- 11:21AM, mesmerised wrote:


Looking at the forecast, roof will most likely be closed, taking out the sun and the wind will make for a better match and I don't think there is a clear favourite despite what the odds say - that's assuming Maja doesn't get stage fright and continues playing the same level, she doesn't look like someone that does, doesn't rant or rave either, the more emotional a player gets generally the more likely they are to lose. Andreeva more prone to that. Value wise I'd take the Pole.If Mirra does win the average rank of the opponents she'd have beaten during this slam would be 100, when Emma won the US Open, from the first round not qualies, ave. rank of opponent was 52. Looking at the last few slams in the womensAus26 - Rybakina beat ave. rank of 37.2.US Open25 - Sabalenka beat ave. rank of 57.3Wimbledon25 - Swiatek beat ave. rank of 59.1FO25

By:
mesmerised
When: 06 Jun 26 14:44
They're nearly all good broadcasters otherwise they wouldn't be in their roles, it's not their commentary or broadcasting skills I'm talking about, it's when average ex-pros talk about moments such as 'pressure' and 'what it takes' etc, don't want hear it from bang average ex players like Anee, she cannot related, whereas when Evert says something like that it carries weight, same in football coverage, Rooney's diction is fairly poor but you can buy into his analysis because he's been a top player, Redknapp was average and people just wait for him to finish talking.

I like Marion even if she does talk forever at a time. I do remember though a few years ago when she was talking about her Wimbledon win and Navratilova was there, with a face that said ' not again'.
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 14:58
I'm struggling to think of excellent top players who are also excellent commentators. If we go with tennis, Andy Roddick is one, Martina another one. Then there's a bunch of decent ones. I like someone like McEnroe for the banter, but he's hardly great. Lots of great ones were journeymen players.
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 15:00
I think Sharapova would be excellent (but too busy with other stuff). Same goes for Andy Murray, but he says he doesn't enjoy it. Roger might be really good if it's something he wants to do, he certainly knows how to break things down based on that time in Madrid he explained the physics of ball bouncing to the umpire.
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 15:02

Jun 6, 2026 -- 2:58PM, TheCarambaExperience wrote:


I'm struggling to think of excellent top players who are also excellent commentators. If we go with tennis, Andy Roddick is one, Martina another one. Then there's a bunch of decent ones. I like someone like McEnroe for the banter, but he's hardly great. Lots of great ones were journeymen players.


Can add Sue Barker to the greats list, as presenter.

By:
mesmerised
When: 06 Jun 26 15:02
again it's not about how good they are compared to each other, I'm saying who wants to listen to Anne talking about pressure in a slam final, she knows nothing about it, she spent a career on the thief, stealing a living with Round 1 wildcards at Wimbledon. You listen to Evert who's been there and one that, understands what it's like to really feel the pressure a the top end of tennis, and you can buy into it. Boris is also a top ex pro and tennis pundit. Agassi is also excellent with his technical analysis.
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 15:04
Boris is ok, maybe I'm biased because of the accent. Agassi I haven't heard enough from.
By:
tobiasr
When: 06 Jun 26 15:05
see your point mes but it obviously doesnt hold. if it did then the likes of mourinho and bielsa and emery could not become successful football managers because players would not listen to them as in your words what do they know about playing in pressure matches at the highest level. different sport obviously but even so it highlights the point
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 15:09
As for Anne, she has been following lots of players since their younger days thanks to her role as a BJK Cup captain, so has plenty to contribute with from that point of view.
By:
tobiasr
When: 06 Jun 26 15:11
anyway does mirra coast serenely to the title or does she tighten up with a slam in sight
By:
mesmerised
When: 06 Jun 26 15:11
They deliver tactics and analyse opponents, it's nothing to do with punditry. They're not sitting on the telly talking about pressure and what it takes as a player, it's not relatable. Players listen to them because of what they deliver, not because they talk about their experience being there.

Very simple stuff, laughable to listen to average ex pros talking about stuff they know nothing about, if they want to talk about what a player was like a junior or what her game is like, good, but leave out the pressure stuff as if you were there Anne, standing on the baseline, ready to serve for a Championship point at Wimbledon Laugh
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 15:12
some people incl players have no humor/chill, getting mad at Zverev for saying this.

https://x.com/Tiempodetenis1/status/2062933558151225649
By:
mesmerised
When: 06 Jun 26 15:12
And Barry Cowan, still dining out on that Sampras match all them years ago, even Murray said he was clueless.
By:
mesmerised
When: 06 Jun 26 15:13
I read that this morning, Cornet the drama queen was making a song and dance about it.
By:
tobiasr
When: 06 Jun 26 15:14
dont agree. its not an exact comparison but its a valid one. if viewers shouldnt listen to tennis players that havent achieved anything then why should football players listen to managers that never played the game at the highest level if at all.
By:
tobiasr
When: 06 Jun 26 15:15
if youre a football player and mourinho talks to you about how to deal with the pressure of a big final, why should they listen. he has no idea as he has not been there
By:
tobiasr
When: 06 Jun 26 15:15
but they do. so theres obviously more to it than youre making out
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 15:19

Jun 6, 2026 -- 3:13PM, mesmerised wrote:


I read that this morning, Cornet the drama queen was making a song and dance about it.


She has always come across as sensible off court to me, but way to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

By:
mesmerised
When: 06 Jun 26 15:19
Because they have been on coaching courses for years, done their apprenterships working their way up, analyse opponents, pass on relevant information, understand tactics etc, that's all footballer need, and the best have great communication skills, players are also selfish and have personal sponsors and personal ambitions, such as bigger moves, international careers etc, this has got no relevance to what I'm talking about.

Anne and the likes are good talkers, half decent analysers of the game, but in certain aspects such as what I've mentioned umpteen times, they can't start talking about pressure and what it takes when the furthest Anne has been in a slam is Round 3, and that was once.
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 15:20
I don't think he'll care, but this is why some players give the most boring answers possible, to avoid any chance of drama.
By:
TheCarambaExperience
When: 06 Jun 26 15:20
James has been in plenty of Slam finals!
By:
Platini
When: 06 Jun 26 15:21
Agassi's insights have been excellent this tournament.
By:
tobiasr
When: 06 Jun 26 15:23
disagree. completely relevant. best move on. if anne cant talk about pressure because she hasnt been there then neither can mourinho.
By:
mesmerised
When: 06 Jun 26 15:25
Mourninho can't talk about pressure either in those moments but he doesn't, he does his job. It's a fk nonsense comparison
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