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SPOTY 2013 starts here....
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HS bookies doing a roaring trade.
Fergie now best priced 2/1 favourite. |
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Rules state "The Panel also had the right to amend the criteria for the main award (as well as the Overseas Sports Personality of the Year, Team of the Year and/or Coach of the Year - see below) should there be unanimous agreement amongst panel members to do so."
So Fergie will defo get the nod http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sports-personality/19997397 |
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That's useful Ted, thanks.
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The team of the year award last year had a dump on any rules they have.
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In fact, given there are seemingly official rules which basically state there are no rules betfair should reinstate Fergie immediately.
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In fact it's quite clear that the panel can nominate anyone in the world if they all agree.
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so some people might have backed fergie, and may have bets reinstated, if they have money in their accounts when the bets are put back in, and some may have laid him, and recycled the money and now have big reds
sounds like a knightmare why not just make the market, without sir alex ferguson ??? |
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Just make it whoever wins wins and add any runners anyone asks for. If you back someone who's supposedly "ineligible" then tough sh**
Maybe Fergie will come on for the last couple of minutes on the last day a la chairman John Ryan at Doncaster was it??? That'll solve it. Sure he can bend any Premier League rules since he generally makes them. |
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I agree with you Silverback.
The current situation is untenable as regards 'bets may be reinstated' - when will they decide that - when the shortlist is announced?? Would be better off suspending the market than the current situation. |
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I didn't notice that bets would be reinstated simply because I never expected that in a million years. I cannot recall this ever being done before and perhaps they made their decision after talking with a big SAF layer.
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The more I think about this the more bizarre it is. Backers and layers might not even be aware that they have had a SAF match because it just won't appear anywhere now it has been (and I use the word loosely) voided. Even for those that have noted their matched and then voided bets will have to calculate their real potential position on the market and their real potential account balance as they won't be reflected by the on screen figures either.
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You can search for voided bets on your account, but it is bonkers that they could be reinstated.
Betfair desparately hoping BBC declare he won't be eligible asap imo |
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My voided bets never appear on the voided list. I have never been able to fathom that.
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There is no reason for the BBC to declare anyone in the world either eligible or ineligible months before the shortlist is announced, or at any other stage.
Fergie might take up bog snorkelling in the meantime and not even require any special agreement from the panel to nominate him. |
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meanwhile betfair are still offering to lay Fergie on sportsbook.
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BBCSPOTY @BBCSPOTY 30s
Hot on the heels of a fair few big sporting announcements this week there's big #BBCSPOTY news coming tomorrow! no idea why Betfair ever removed Ferguson from the market, if he wins it he wins it and if he doesn't then that's the backers' faults anyway. opened an unnecessary can of works |
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*can of worms that should say obviously
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Let me get this right. They voided bets on Ferguson but allowed all other bets to stand?
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The "big BBCSPOTY news" appears to be that the show will be held in Leeds on Sunday 15th December.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sports-personality/22435344 Most of the bookies have now removed Fergie from their markets, apart from Skybet, PP and Betfair Fxd Odds, who go 5/4, 11/10 & 11/8. It's farcicle that we might have to carry on now until November or so without knowing the situation. Myself, I don't see how he can be eligible. Well he's not, according to current rules. Surely they will just give him some special award on the night, one of those lifetime things or something. |
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Still available to back on betfair sportsbook. Shortened to 11/8
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sorry horse should have read your post first
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he can win coach of the year, or lifetime award,
it shouldnt be too difficult for the bbc to confirm that he cant win it of course hes probably 1/10 with a run for the phone in vote |
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The BBC have no reason to confirm to anyone who can or cannot win it. And bookmakers have no divine right to receive an answer should they ask the question.
Given that the eligibility "rule" can be over-ruled by the nominating panel there is clearly no need for betfair or other bookmakers to void or remove. Last year GB Olympic team won an award they were not believed to be eligible for until the fine print giving the panel the right to award it to them was pointed out. It is up to punters to decide when placing their bets whether or not to take the risk that the panel can choose to nominate him. Betfair should simply point out in the rules section that it is believed the panel can deviate from the general guidelines should each member of the panel agree. |
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Absolutely agree 100% ^
It sets a very dangerous precedent if Betfair decides who and who isn't eligible for the award on the market (which is what they are doing here, since the panel can nominate who they want) |
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William Hill@sharpeangle1h
BBC have confirmed to me that Sir Alex Ferguson is NOT eligible for BBC Sports Personality of the Year, so we're refunding all stakes |
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But have the panel confirmed to the BBC they won't be unanimously deciding to over-ride the "rules".
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BBC can make the rules up as they go along though. Last year the rules specifically named that Team GB were not eligible for the award they ended up winning.
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Fergie is not eligible for the main SPOTY award as things stand and I really can't see the BBC changing the rules for this. This isn't Big Brother where rules get changed on a whim. This is the Bee Bee Cee and a flagship show for them! It would make a mockery of the award and anyway, why would they need to change the rules, there is already the Coach of the Year and Lifetime awards, and he will undoubtably be given one of those? I know they changed the rules last year for the Olympic Team but that's hardly the same thing.
After Betfair having Fergie in this market 2 or 3 years ago and voiding my lays, I couldn't believe they were so quick to add him the other day, and shame on all the HS Bookies too, although I'm sure every one of them will follow WH and void the bets. |
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The BBC have made something of a mockery of it in recent years in any case. Starting with Ryan Giggs.
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Stan james have voided
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surely the bbc are very much aware of their position and the popularity of this event and the bets that revolve around it and help make it one of the biggest awards across all sports in the uk
theres no reason why they shouldnt protect the integrity of the award by making a statement about fergie |
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Now that the Fergie situation has died down, it's interesting to note that Leeds has been chosen as the host city.
Should ensure plenty of coverage for Leeds Rhinos / R League and Sinfield. |
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I don't think they should be making any statements about it. Particularly in May.
They kind of bent the rules last year with the Olympic team although it was within the small print of their rules to do so if you see what I mean. From their point of view, to categorically rule someone out this early on precludes them from bending their rules again to suit themselves at a later date, essentially at the behest of the betting industry. They really shouldn't feel the need to comment on any individual regardless of circumstance. In fact, there probably are no rules yet in any case as they can change them year by year as they desire. Might be wrong but as far as I can tell they published them on 12th December last year. They shouldn't feel under any pressure to clarify anything in advance to an individual such as Grahame Sharpe. And it's worth pointing out that they absolutely categorically ruled out team GB in their rules last year: "For the avoidance of doubt this criteria excludes Team GB/Paralympics GB" If they can make that statement so close to the event yet still choose them as the winners due to the rule in the smallprint, then any statement to Grahame Sharpe or anyone else 7 months before the event should be treated with a degree of trepidation. |
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"For the avoidance of doubt this criteria excludes Team GB/Paralympics GB"
If they can make that statement so close to the event yet still choose them as the winners due to the rule in the smallprint, then any statement to Grahame Sharpe or anyone else 7 months before the event should be treated with a degree of trepidation. Complete agree with this. The award is "Sports Personality of the Year". Not sportsman. Not coach. It's sports personality. I don't see how the title of the award rules Ferguson out. And even if it did, last year's precedence wouldn't strike with me confidence that it did anyway. |
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sports personality means sports person for this award, its just a name of an award that has stuck down the years
it has nothing whatsoever to do with any ones personaliity or lack thereof i dont see why coaches should be banned, or why italians can be backed but irish can not but when money is involved its best to be on the right side of rules and decisions |
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Having been advised by betfair that they had deliberately left SAF on their fixed odds offering they now appear to have pulled that selection. That's a shame as they also told me bets would be voided if there was not a rule change. That made it almost a dead cert with a non runner refund guarantee.
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laura robson makes bbc news before man utd victory parade and fergies farewell
one to keep onside methinks |
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Yes I've taken some Laura Robson as well - will only need her to win a few games at Wimbledon for her price to plummet.
Still reluctant to do anything further in the market until the Ferguson situation is confirmed - hard to generate enthusiasm for prices when if he is confirmed eligible would be introduced with over 50% of the market. |
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Sorry AM but I think you'll find Laura needs to win more than 'a few games' for her price to plummet
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