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Eurovision 2012 - The road starts here....
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If any song is going to run away with it imo then its the one that wins the jury vote because potentially it could also sweep the televote. Sweden imo won't win the jury vote so won't be running away with anything
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Damn this site i didn't hit post twice
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Not saying it can't win ofc just this running away with it argument I can't have
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but has no appeal at all for the average viewer
George I wouldn't write off Hero like that. But I guess my point was about the group-hysteria of the fansites. |
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Bexley if her voice is on form at the jury vote why couldn't Euphoria sweep the jury vote? It is one of the best voices this year.
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Sweden price is farcical on here. I'd happily take say, 1 to 3 on it will trade higher in running on the night but then not everyone has Betfair accounts or the inclination to do so. I will be
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Hero was a great song - she did look a bit scary, and was actually very attractive when she won in 1999.
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LOL . She does look rather cat like.
I didn't really follow the show that closely in those days and I just heard it for the 1st time just now. Vocal wasn't great and it's the type of song you'd only ever hear in a provincial gay nightclub. I think that's a line by Dan from sofabets. I was too busy listening to Laka from Bosnia that year to take much notice of any other song. If I had heard Sweden I certainly wouldn't have been backing it. |
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And I'd agree with Henry about Euphoria. Good song. Tick. Good vocal. Tick. Very well staged. Tick. Commercial. Tick.
Aren't those the 4 criteria the juries are meant to vote on? |
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and that was 4 ticks for Italy from you last year leaves also I take it?
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and you wouldn't be giving Spain 4 ticks this year?
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I don't think any song ticked all 4 boxes last year.
Italy would have ticked 3. Lena would have ticked the song box 4 fold and the commercial box 4 fold. Might have struggled for many with the vocal box and performance one, but as a whole package it worked brillaintly for me. |
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USA AI even
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Spain ticks 2. We don't know about the staging, but unlike some I find her performance compelling and not constipated.
It would struggle in terms of the commerical box, but not as much as Italy from last year |
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"they have been asked to judge the vocals, the quality and originality of the songs, the acts and the overall impression of the performance"
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So best vocalist - no
Quality and oiriginality - 90's trance copy so no act and overall impression - pretty decent Just another way of looking at it. hard to see it #1 that way |
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From what we've heard i think it's a superb vocal for that type of song.
None of the songs are truly original. Euphoria is more original than most. Overall impression - excellent I've also seen a statement saying possible commercial success should be part of the juries criteria too and it's #1 there |
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Ok leaves yet again we have to agree to disagree. You see nothing in Iceland, I see nothing in Sweden that justifies this type of price. I most certainly don't see it topping the jury vote
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I also read somewhere that commerciality was a factor and if so Sweden hacks up on that. Still No 1 in sweden and in the charts in the rest of scandanavia. Got suckered into a few more quid on jedward when I read they were in some eastern charts but then read it takes literally 14 downloads to get in them.
I am still completely baffled as to how Lithuania topped it in the semi last year. May have been neighbours not checked that. Some juries will follow the rules others won't. I think spain will do ok with the juries and so will Iceland though it won't connect with the viewers.....imo |
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All I was really saying in my post tha Henry picked up on, is that it's the one song for me that has the pornetial to runaway with it.
ofc eastern europe might be offended by the black guys big bum and not vote for it and the juries might not fancy it either. However I believe the juries are more likely to rate it highly than not and a black dancer doesn't concern me too with regards the eatern vote. Whereas a black singer would, as we saw with haba haba last year which recieved sod all from the east |
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too much*
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lol fook knows what pornetial means. I obviously meant potential.
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and all I was saying was that it won't top the juty vote so it can't run away with it.
Do you realistically believe it can fail to win the jury vote and be a runaway winner on the night? |
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Ok Henry its a shame there isn't a market on 'to top the jury vote'
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I like Iceland a lot thats obvious to most on here. I may say look at the fan polls its doing well there to anyone who questions my musical taste. I have to therefore acknowledge there is obviously something others see in Sweden that I don't 'get' beacuse of its #1 in all the fan polls.
The thing is I have played Euphoria to several family members and via Skype to many friends over Europe. My incentive to listen to a list of 6 or so songs is that 'I'll stick a free bet on the one you like the most'  Didn't mention the odds or anything to influence them. Only 1 chose Sweden The songs were Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Germany, Romania and spain if you were at all interested |
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Lena topped the jury vote.
Euphoria meets the juries supposed criteria much more than Lena did. So I see no reason why Sweden can't top the jury vote. |
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What was top? If it was Iceland they were clearly all death
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No reason not to and believing it will are 2 different things obviously. You have mentioned a few times you think Sweden may run away with it therefore my conclusion has to be you believe it will top the jury vote. Is that in fact the case?
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Germany was top
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Germany doesn't surprise me at all.
As for Sweden I believe it's capable of topping the jury vote. They are clearly influenced by commercial success. As lena showed. |
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Ok I'll agree its capable of being 1st with the juries in the way that I would say its incapable for Russia
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Sweden with one vote placed it 4th of 6 - 2 did worse. Norway and Spain
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Azer won by 32 points. Decent win though squeaky bum time for backers till the last few results. After laying off too much last year in running I might hide the old laptop this year.
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i've not said a lot about Sweden myself so here's my thoughts for what they are worth...firstly the staging is extremely dark as are the performers costumes...the female singer is really quite unattractive and the male dancer is fat(perhaps both are reasons for the darkness).
the chorus is catchy but the song overall is rather dull for me...for this to be around 2/1 is absolutely ridiculous...i think this is highly overated probably due to that "Melodiefestival" thing they have in Sweden. |
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Italy topped the jury vote last yearm (by miles), with Azerbaijan 2nd.
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