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By:
sageform
When: 02 Dec 23 19:59
The huge mistake was to call a referendum and then campaign for Remain. Insane decision. They should have known that the great British silent majority will always do the opposite of what the Government tells them. Then Mrs May reneged on the 5 year minimum fixed term parliament act which was one of the most popular policies ever passed by Parliament.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 02 Dec 23 20:01
Will there be checks on EU imports in January? I doubt it,that will be the 5th or 6th time that will be 'postponed'. Rees Mogg on the last time the can was kicked down the road was candid in saying it was 'an act of self-harm' which of course it is.
Until that is implemented brexit hasn't fully happened,it may never as who is going to do that to many who are already only surviving?
By:
sageform
When: 02 Dec 23 20:06
But it has to cut both ways lapsy. If the EU allow our goods in, we can do the same. Meanwhile we are busy finding alternative sources of most products so that we can tell them to get stuffed.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 02 Dec 23 20:16
They allow your goods in with'checks'Sageform,you are supposed to reciprocate that,that however involves costs. That in turn is passed onto the consumer. Not sure the telling them to get stuffed plan is wise, i don't see too much,small talk with Pacific thing,Oz and India? not a lot in them.
Simple answer was to agree with EU standards, it was pig headness from the ERG mob and i'm not sure there is an answer except  that.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 02 Dec 23 20:24
The EU must be laughing really, they have frictionless trade while subjecting their checks on you,a severe disadvantage for UK exporters to the EU.
By:
sageform
When: 02 Dec 23 20:31
It is always the exporters from UK to EU who shout loudest. Plenty of UK firms are expanding because they don't have to compete with subsidised EU competitors any more. And it is not hard to move production into or out of the EU to avoid the border issues. Nissan seem to prefer to be here. The mass unemployment forecast by Remainers has happened in other places but not in UK. Hence the continued migration which we all hear so much about.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 02 Dec 23 20:41
Don't know about that,didn't leaver Dyson up sticks to Singapore? They must be delighted, corpo tax and employment which in theory should have stayed in the UK.
No mass unemployment as plenty of 'low paid' jobs can't be filled and the answer to that is asking people from India,Nigeria,Uganda etc to fill them.I don't know an answer to solve that but that seems the 'solution' in play.
Unemployment numbers are so changed from say 30 years ago, what is the criteria to fall into that? Sickness numbers,economically inactive numbers would if added together would be an eye opener.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 02 Dec 23 23:49
They used to quote number of employees highest ever

That's gone quiet as folk simply retire earlier
and leave statistics.

Not many of my mates still grafting and no state
pension. No benefits neither.
By:
TCat
When: 03 Dec 23 12:18
Not too sure why the EU should be laughing at the UK for the awful trade deal they have 'given' us as it appears to have affected them more badly than us, not surprising as we have a large trade deficit with the EU. Germany are predicting to report a double dip recession at the end of the year have really shot themselves in the foot. I used to provide technical support for traders in Frankfurt and they have lost business to London. A sensible trade deal would be beneficial to all concerned but the political leaders in Brussels appear to be oblivious to this.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 03 Dec 23 12:29
No shortage of German, French, Spanish or Polish cars on Britain's roads.

All on the never-never of course.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 03 Dec 23 12:57
No change as of yet regarding the EU imports into the UK,ie no checks,red tape etc,whereas UK to EU exports are subject to those.

Surely it has to be a good thing for EU exporters? Saying that it is currently a good thing for UK consumers as they would have to pay those costs.

I don't think it is a legal requirement for the UK to do those checks but if the EU are doing them to the UK they really should.

Why have they been postponed so many times? Back to Rees Mogg again for the answer.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 03 Dec 23 13:35
There are no checks on imports from the EU because UK industry and the UK's food supply chain depends on EU imports.

Absolutely none or the independence the Brexiteers so craved has come to pass.

Brexit has been and remains a total sh!tshow.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 03 Dec 23 14:57
A brief timeline of foodbanks:

1997 - The Trussell Trust is founded. Labour comes to power.
2004 - UK has 2 foodbanks.
2008 - Global financial crash. UK has 22 foodbanks.
2010 - Tories come to power.
2023 - UK has 2,572 foodbanks.
By:
lfc1971
When: 03 Dec 23 16:08
GDP growth 2022 , 2023 ( cumulative )

U.K.      4.6
Italy      4.4
USA.     4.2
EU.        4.0
France   3.5
Germany1.3
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 03 Dec 23 16:29
We are +0.5 for 23,and I don't recall 22 being such a good year.

Maybe you have a link
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 03 Dec 23 16:38
Eastbourne Enoch

With misleading figures again.

UK's GDP vastly inflated recently by high gas prices. All this extra money went to the energy companies because Rishi refused to enact a windfall tax.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 03 Dec 23 17:56
This Christmas, wonderful produce made in Essex will be enjoyed by people across Britain and around the world. That's why I have called on the government to reduce the trade barriers on exporters so that Britian’s finest produce can be enjoyed all across the globe

Beautiful foinirony from priteh patel
By:
lfc1971
When: 03 Dec 23 18:36
2023 growth rates are IMF forecasts
based on data up to Q3

Government debt to GDP (% IMF and OBR data )

Italy - 144
USA - 123
France - 110
U.K. - 89
Germany - 66
By:
lfc1971
When: 03 Dec 23 18:39
Britain is steadily and surely taking advantage
of Brexit freedoms
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 03 Dec 23 19:11
Public sector net debt (PSND ex) was £2,599.0 billion at the end of September 2023 and was provisionally estimated at around 97.8% of the UK's annual gross domestic product (GDP); this is 2.1 percentage points higher than in September 2022 and continues at levels last seen in the early 1960s.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 03 Dec 23 19:11
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/september2023

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By:
sageform
When: 04 Dec 23 12:57
When something free is on offer, demand will rise. Just look at the NHS. Some people are in genuine need and the biggest problem is cost of housing which is absurd but for every one who can't afford food, there are 10 on the cadge. We had a free monthly lunch in the village and most of us made a voluntary donation but a few greedy ones were piling their plates and then putting another helping in a bag to take home and were sneering at those of us who didn't. They certainly didn't look poor or hungry.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 04 Dec 23 13:07
Of course people will have a free lunch as your attendance proves.

Well done for chipping in.

See house of Commons subsidised restaurant.
By:
sageform
When: 04 Dec 23 14:55
Of course. Anywhere that people can get something for nothing or even cheaper than next door will attract its share of greedy oiks. There is a fine line between looking for good deals and taking advantage of good hearted generosity. And no I did not have a free lunch. A lot of it was gone when my wife and I arrived but we still paid the equivalent of a cafe price for what we had. That money went to pay for the next free meals.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 04 Dec 23 20:39
Latest brexit benefit - a new law that will allow Govt to monitor bank accounts of State Pensions . Against  EU privacy laws
By:
flat16
When: 05 Dec 23 14:57
No quotes from the Guardian today yhtl.
Maybe because the economic editor of the paper ,belatedly ,begrudgingly explains very slowly and carefully why the UK should not rejoin the EU.
The europhile fanatics at the BBC ,BOE and the civil service will take a bit more convincing, I expect.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 05 Dec 23 15:02
Few people want to rejoin the EU. Lots of people want to rejoin the single market which we never voted to leave!!!!
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 05 Dec 23 15:03
Eastbourne Enoch
Britain is steadily and surely taking advantage
of Brexit freedoms



Do tell us more

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By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 05 Dec 23 15:52
The Government has revoked or reformed over 1000 laws since our exit.

You can eat your popcorn and reduce your ignorance at the same time - Win , Win  Nobby.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 05 Dec 23 16:15
The Government has revoked or reformed over 1000 laws since our exit.

And how has this made the country any better to live or work in? How has the environment improved?

The simple answer is Brexit was a huge waste of time and money and hasn't fulfilled anyone's expectations. Even Farage says it's been a ****-up
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Dec 23 16:20
The law allowing snooping on pensioners bank accounts
is a great brexit benefit outlawed in EU
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 05 Dec 23 16:22
I'm all for it for starters - catch more of the crooks and the cheats.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Dec 23 16:24
Guardian... Lol

British workers are missing out on £10,700 a year after more than a decade of weak economic growth and high inequality, according to a major report warning that UK living standards are falling behind comparable rich nations.

In a damning report on the economy, the Resolution Foundation and the London School of Economics’ Centre for Economic Performance called for an urgent rethink of economic strategy after 15 years of relative decline.

It said a living standards gap worth £8,300 had opened up between typical households in Britain and their average peers in Australia, Canada, France, Germany and the Netherlands, and blamed a “toxic combination” of low growth and high inequality.

The result of a three-year inquiry by a group of the nation’s top academics, businesspeople and policymakers, the study warned that a generation of younger adults was being failed in particular – with 9 million having never worked in an economy with sustained average wage rises.

Rishi Sunak is preparing for a general election campaign next year with households continuing to come under strain from the cost of living crisis, and the Conservatives facing heavy fire over their economic record after 13 years in government.

With the government trailing Labour in the polls, the prime minister last month declared victory on his primary target to halve the UK’s inflation rate this year while hailing tax cuts in last month’s autumn statement to ease pressure on working families.

In a speech at the launch of the Resolution Foundation and LSE’s Economy 2030 Inquiry report on Monday, Keir Starmer will say that firing up Britain’s economy will have to “become Labour’s obsession” in government to reverse years of Tory mismanagement.

However, he will caution that an incoming Labour administration would face “huge constraints” on increasing spending on public services with government finances left in a precarious state by years of lacklustre economic performance hitting the exchequer.

“Anyone who expects an incoming Labour government to quickly turn on the spending taps is going to be disappointed,” Starmer will say.

Responding to the near 300-page report Ending Stagnation, Starmer will say the findings from the country’s leading economists confirm stark contrasts between 2010 and today. Arguing that “Britain’s standing is diminished,” he will say growth is stagnant and public services on their knees.

“Taxes are higher than at any time since the war, none of which was true in 2010. Never before has a British government asked its people to pay so much for so little.”

Having pushed back against talk of Britain’s economic decline earlier this year, the chancellor, Jeremy Hunt, is expected to speak before Starmer’s address to the same launch event fresh from last month’s autumn statement.

A spokesperson for the Treasury said the Office for Budget Responsibility was forecasting the autumn statement to deliver the “largest boost to potential growth on record”, after the chancellor sought to blunt the highest levels of taxation since the second world war with cuts to national insurance contributions and support for business investment.

“We have halved the number of people on low pay with increases to the ‘national living wage’ and, thanks to above-inflation increases to tax allowances, we have also saved the average earner over £1,000 a year since 2010,” they said.

However, the Resolution Foundation and LSE’s report found that existing plans for reversing decline were “not serious” and had been founded in the belief that “‘world-beating’ rhetoric automatically translates into a ‘world-beating’ reality”

Chaired by Minouche Shafik, a former Bank of England deputy governor, and Clive Cowdery, the insurance magnate and founder of the Resolution Foundation, the report warned that household incomes were not on track to reach the peak recorded before the cost of living crisis until 2027 at the earliest.

Finding that the UK had been catching up with more productive countries like France, Germany and the US during the 1990s and early 2000s, it said progress had gone into reverse since the 2008 financial crisis. If Britain could close its average income and inequality gaps with these countries, it said the typical household would be 25% (£8,300) better off, with income gains of 37% for the poorest families.

It said average wages after inflation is taken into account were no higher than before the banking collapse 15 years ago. If wages had continued to grow at their pre-2008 pace, it said the average wage today would be £43,000 rather than £32,300.

Highlighting a gap in performance with comparable rich nations, it said that poor households in Britain were now £4,300 worse off than their French and German counterparts, leaving them struggling to cope in the cost of living crisis.

However, while warning that the challenges faced by Britain were “huge”, it said they were not insurmountable. The report, funded by the Nuffield Foundation charity, said the country needed to focus on its services sector, prioritise public and private investment, expand Britain’s largest cities, and raise the number of opportunities for higher-quality jobs in every town.

Torsten Bell, the chief executive of the Resolution Foundation, said: “The task facing the UK is to urgently embark on a new path. A new economic strategy built not on nostalgia or wishful thinking but our actual strengths, along with honesty about the scale of change needed and the trade-offs involved. It’s time for Britain to start investing in our future, rather than living off our past.”


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By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 05 Dec 23 16:26
If the government was serious about catching crooks and cheats then Boris Johnson and Michelle Mone would have been interviewed under caution.
By:
dave1357
When: 05 Dec 23 17:11
Britain is the only rich economy where food prices are still rising by more than 10pc, according to data that highlights the challenge facing the Bank of England as it battles to bring down inflation.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/britain-only-rich-nation-where-164615698.html
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 05 Dec 23 17:39
Oh to live in a "rich economy" - How lucky we all are.
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 05 Dec 23 17:41
Maybe we could live in a "poor economy" and not make the list ...?
By:
dave1357
When: 05 Dec 23 17:42
I assume that's the brexiters plan, nothing else makes sense.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 09 Dec 23 00:07
Part-time and shift workers to lose up to £248m holiday pay in UK rule change

Experts say alteration to holiday rights is one of the most significant erosions of employment protections since UK left EU.


A government spokesperson said: “We are reforming this legislation to make overtime, holiday pay and entitlement legislation less complex and easier for employers to follow.”

Justin Madders, the shadow minister for employment rights, said: “This government rebuffed Labour’s efforts to protect paid holidays.

The change follows a protracted legal battle between Lesley Brazel, a music teacher on a zero-hours contract, and the school trust that employed her, over whether she should be get the same amount of holiday pay as her colleagues on full-time contracts.
By:
sageform
When: 11 Dec 23 17:42
Would someone please define the term "worker" for me please? I define it as anyone with a full time job or self employed so I rule out all unemployed or non employed for any reason including myself as an OAP. You seem to confuse rich and poor with working or not working. Is a professional footballer a "worker"?
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