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It doesn’t matter if STI s reduces during lockdown
That is completely irrelevant to covid |
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It's an independent test of lockdown compliance lfc, the transmission mechanisms are different.
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The results are fogged because the clinics were restricting access to testing and treatment. Other factors as Donnie suggests such as dormancy may also be a cause of resurgency following the end of lockdown.
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It's irrelevant to covid, yes very probably
(unless std victims turned out to have worse covid outcomes) But it's behaviour of crowds and compliance with lockdown, and modelling std rates may well, in time, show what actual lockdown compliance was. It's also interesting to scientists to see how infectious diseases behave. We've already seen its likely that not having flu for 2 years makes it a bit worse when we finally get reinfected.....see China right now. |
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Foin it’s not an independent test of lockdowns
It’s just a test that says if you don’t have sex you won’t get STi s That has zero bearing on covid and lockdowns |
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I think hiv victims were on list for longer isolation
if they are imuno compromised. |
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To be an HIV victim you have to do something
To catch covid you don’t |
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People behave differently, many will have observed the rules and those will include people who probably wouldn't normally be seeking new sexual contacts anyway. A proportion would have flouted the rules and the incidence of new cases would have been a measure of that.
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And that’s what makes the view that lockdowns had
such a dramatic effect .. very very doubtful |
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That there is so much observable data
tells us lockdowns had a big effect. Cracking the data by removing anomolies is helped by the effect of lockdown on diverse diseases spread in diverse manners. Plenty more to be found. |
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The data doesn’t tell us that the data tells us
lockdowns were a response to rising infections and deaths The pressure to bring in the lockdowns at those times - 3 were understandably immense .. but in each of those cases the data tells us deaths and infections were already in decline If you think of it that makes sense more sense |
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The other aspect is that if there was an effect, how great was it and was it worth the enormous ongoing cost? Vulnerable people would have self-isolated anyway or reduced to amount of external contact to a minimum. Some in large multigenerational households would not have had that luxury but even with lockdown the risk is still multiplied by the number of individuals in the household and how careful they all were.
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But you start from a wrong position
and can't even think of potential in the data. So pretty much you are a one legged man in an arse kicking contest. |
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Ha ha, to lfc again.
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Yes, I realise but no need to spoil an interesting discussion. That's it for tinight as far as I'm concerned. a demain.
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The other aspect is that if there was an effect, how great was it and was it worth the enormous ongoing cost? Vulnerable people would have self-isolated anyway or reduced to amount of external contact to a minimum. Some in large multigenerational households would not have had that luxury but even with lockdown the risk is still multiplied by the number of individuals in the household and how careful they all were
Yes of course and some did. So research needs to incorporate that Or at least model it to a high degree. Looking at known other diseases will be vital to that. Anyway it's one to keep an eye on, and as above hopefully yet more good comes from study of the data. |
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If you think of it cold infections come in waves
Maybe twice a year over three , four , five … years They come ,build ,fade away ,return build fade away etc Covid will have been the same - maybe a more congested timeframe as a new virus And it came , built steadily , and then worryingly quickly .. lockdown due to understandable fear But the data strongly suggest that wave was already falling before lockdown Then as might be expected naturally a second wave .. which would recede , and then a third before Christmas or over winter etc .. So the lockdowns were in response to the natural cycle of covid / just as we have natural waves of cold infections |
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Lockdowns were a reaction to those natural cycles not
the cause of them |
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With children still at school and workers allowed to travel on public transport without masks the lockdowns were a joke.
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You are right SNC ,we have such liberal views on stuff like civil liberties ,human rights..........such weak law enforcement ,such wokery. That when it comes to something like a lockdown we are truly pathetic.
Remember you can walk into a shop and grab anything and walk out ,fck a statue into a harbour ,deface a war memorial ,block the M25 all with all but a miniscule chance of a feeble fine or slap on the wrist. The Chinese enforced a lockdown but do we want to go there ,as always the right way is probably somewhere in the middle. |
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To stop a virus you need a month of total isolation but that is impossible to enforce so each lockdown was a waste of time.
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That’s what we did - we made a sensible compromise
and at certain times did have a policy of lockdown as best we could - yes it meant on occasion some were able to be working from home or indeed on the golf course instead of working It was not a question of civil liberties |
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Token gesture.......I knew a bunch of builder boys all young and fit ,only time they wore a mask was to go into shop for pies ,**** etc..........they all used the very same mask on the van dashboard......all got covid together.....all went to pub after work.........all spread the virus as they went.
Many millions of essential workers ,never had a day off ,hardly even noticed the chaos and death. |
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Yes there are question marks as to just what effect the lockdowns had
if any maybe negligible .. but that doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t have been introduced - if they hadn’t the usual suspects would be accusing the government of murder |
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By the way those builders were idiots
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By electing Boris as PM the UK voted for gross incompetence & corruption and boy did we get it.
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The builders may well be idiots but the politicians who thought kids couldn't catch or spread covid at school were even bigger idiots.
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Introducing them fine but we do not have the will to enforce them.
Take for example the binmen.......three lads complete their round all trying valiantly to social distance ,then jump into a 1.5 cubic metre cab and and drive home together and then back to their families. |
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They all caught covid ..
As long as they were careful not to pass it on to anyone elderly family member or general population etc |
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The fact is they all caught covid
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Someone on here alluded to how we isolate cattle etc for foot and mouth etc ,draconian penalties, discipline and it is easier.Herds isolated from each other and stringent hygiene everywhere.
You cannot do that with humans in this country ,humans have millions of interactions daily,people basically did as they wished .That is why it spread so quickly . The lessons of the "black death" have not been learnt..........people moved from the contaminated capital to "safety" spreading it as they went. |
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That’s what might have caused the rapid spread in Italy
When it started it was in the north and people moved south to relatives where it was unknown initially for safety and it spread quickly |
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Actually restrictions only applied initially
to the northern part of Italy |
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There was a Scottish politician with a positive covid test and she still travelled home from London regardless ,now she might have been intelligent and aware ,others were not.
Was she fined or imprisoned ,wsf....community service. |
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We forget just how chaotic it was in some countries
The broader restrictions came just hrs after the authorities announced 9,172 had been infected 1,598 more than the day before and 463 deaths the majority overwhelmingly old and sick Permission had to be sought to move about the country Schools , universities closed, prison visits and day release banned - setting off riots across the country at 27 prisons Guards were held hostage and several inmates died at Modena |
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lfc I would love to see some of the evidence for some of your posts in the last 24 hours. So far as I know there are no confirmed transmissions of Covid outdoors and anyone (myself included) who followed the advice and doubled the distances apart was at almost no risk of catching Covid or even a common cold. I have not been in a heated room with more than 10 people in it since March 2020 and don't intend to. I have not caught any infections in that time. I accept that those working in the NHS and in jobs that forced them into contact with others were bound to catch it.
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UK could rejoin the EU ‘in some form’, Tory manifesto author says
Rachel Wolf said shifting geopolitics and UK demographics could see a new relationship with Brussels .... Race to be pro euro for next election |
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There are many remainers and rejoiners in the Conservative party as there are many leavers in both parties.
Indeed the ultra conservative CBI was the richest and loudest lobbyist for remain ,the BBC the most influential propagandist ,with the TUC not far behind.......strange bed fellows indeed. |
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90% of people still don't understand the difference between the EU and Europe. Of course the UK should have close ties to Europe-we are geographically part of it and if possible we should have free trade deals with each of the member states. That does not mean that we need to rejoin the rancid organisation with a very expensive bureaucracy in Brussels. And when an EU leader starts saying that we should rejoin, you can rest assured that they are doing so solely to get more money from the UK to help reduce their ever growing deficit. If German companies wish to have less red tape when trading with the UK they should take it up with the German government and insist on a change in the rules. The EU is the best example of the emperor with no clothes ever seen. It has no income of its own, no tax raising powers, no police force, no armed forces but still manages to bully people into submission.
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Over 200 Tory MPs campaigned to Remain; the Tory PM led the campaign to Remain. The reason I opposed the referendum whilst being against the EU is Brexit was always going to be a shambles whilst a majority of MPs opposed leaving which they still do.
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