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By:
frog1000
When: 27 Nov 20 12:27
State certification is purely procedural and can be overturned. I understand that in some states you cannot do a recount until the results are certified.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Nov 20 14:43
There's a few too this and toonthat
accounts, very few seem to have
any interest in Newcastle ufc.

One guy seems to run most of them.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Nov 20 14:43
Toonthis and toonthat
By:
Fatslogger
When: 27 Nov 20 16:26

Nov 27, 2020 -- 12:27PM, frog1000 wrote:


State certification is purely procedural and can be overturned. I understand that in some states you cannot do a recount until the results are certified.


Part of a bureaucratic process is procedural, you say?

I would imagine that to some extent up to the point where the electors have voted for the president, individual state processes are, at least theoretically, still subject to challenge. Whether those possible challenges have any plausible route to success is really the question though, isn’t it?

By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 27 Nov 20 16:46
I think technically and legally the Electors can give their Electoral College votes to Chump even if Biden has more. Yes their would be one helluva sheite storm and it would be morally reprehensible and almost impossibly wrong but it would be quite fun to see.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Nov 20 16:50
The electors are unlikely to do that
as dem won electors are dems. Rep won electors are reps. Possible theres
a few faithless electors, but that
Deffo is excluded from betfair market.
By:
bingo bongo
When: 27 Nov 20 17:03
Popular vote and related markets just suspended, cleared and reopened for no apparent reason?
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 Nov 20 17:07
Next President market suspended now
By:
bingo bongo
When: 27 Nov 20 17:08
Betfair need to get their lays to the front of the queue
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 Nov 20 17:08
Now cleared and reopened also. What on earth is going on?Cry
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Nov 20 17:14
The projected cash out figures went funny too, lol

What have they done?
By:
Fangsy
When: 27 Nov 20 17:24
More ridiculous stuff from Betfair - the second time bets marked as "keep" have been cancelled (and more importantly I've lost my place in several runners that I was able to lay from time-to-time!).
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Nov 20 17:31
My Nancy Pelosi 1000 lay was getting closer
now 16k ahead of me, ffs.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 27 Nov 20 17:31
as dem won electors are dems. Rep won electors are reps.

Not sure about than yhtl
By:
Hank Hill
When: 27 Nov 20 17:34
ffs when did they cancel keep bets? only just taken a look today - looking more and more like dec 14 for settlement, which according to their own rules is absolutely wrong Sad
By:
bingo bongo
When: 27 Nov 20 17:58
An update of sorts. Sounds like 14th December at least until bf settle

https://betting.betfair.com/politics/us-politics/us-election-betfair-market-settlement-latest-051120-204.html
By:
Fangsy
When: 27 Nov 20 18:08
Thanks for posting this Bingo.  Not sure why the popular vote stuff can't be settled though - all the markets (other than %s) are clear and nothing to do with the EC vote.
By:
peckerdunne
When: 27 Nov 20 18:16
The Exchange was briefly suspended at [17:00] this afternoon (Nov 27) to clear unmatched bets. It has now reopened for customers to trade their positions.

What!
By:
politicspunter
When: 27 Nov 20 18:19
Please read the below for an update on potential settlement of Betfair's Next President market...


Nov 27, Update
Update on settlement of the US election markets on the Betfair Exchange (dated Friday, 27th November, [17:00])

We have not settled certain markets on the Betfair Exchange relating to the U.S. election because of the uncertainty about the outcome of the results caused by ongoing recounts and potential legal challenges.

Given our responsibility to both backers and layers to ensure that the markets are settled correctly and given the unprecedented amount of money that has been traded on these markets, we have sought advice from leading U.S. lawyers to determine the appropriate time to settle the markets.

We currently anticipate that we will wait until the outcome of the Electoral College votes on 14 December 2020 is known before we settle the markets. This, of course, assumes that there is no conclusive outcome before this date.

The Exchange was briefly suspended at [17:00] this afternoon (Nov 27) to clear unmatched bets. It has now reopened for customers to trade their positions.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Nov 20 18:21
Nomination of Electors

The U.S. Constitution does not specify procedures for the nomination of candidates for presidential elector. The two most common methods the states have adopted are nomination by state party convention and by state party committee. Generally, the parties select members known for their loyalty and service to the party, such as party leaders, state and local elected officials and party activists. In some states, the electors’ names appear on the ballot along with the names of the candidates for president and vice president. However, in most states, electors' names are not printed on the ballot. When a voter casts a vote for a candidate for President of the United States, s/he is in actuality casting a vote for the presidential electors who were selected by that candidate's party.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/the-electoral-college.aspx#nomination
By:
frog1000
When: 27 Nov 20 19:38

Nov 27, 2020 -- 4:26PM, Fatslogger wrote:


Nov 27, 2020 --  1:27PM, frog1000 wrote:State certification is purely procedural and can be overturned. I understand that in some states you cannot do a recount until the results are certified.Part of a bureaucratic process is procedural, you say? I would imagine that to some extent up to the point where the electors have voted for the president, individual state processes are, at least theoretically, still subject to challenge. Whether those possible challenges have any plausible route to success is really the question though, isn’t it?


Certification is meaningless as can be changed.

Keep an eye out for what happens before the EC vote.

Until then unless Trump concedes nothing can be settled.

By:
Sergeant Cecil
When: 27 Nov 20 19:53
What relevance does Trump conceding have in relation to the market rules as stated?
By:
Fatslogger
When: 27 Nov 20 20:29

Nov 27, 2020 -- 7:38PM, frog1000 wrote:


Nov 27, 2020 --  5:26PM, Fatslogger wrote:Nov 27, 2020 --

By:
Fatslogger
When: 27 Nov 20 20:29
Being sent to gaol is meaningless as convictions can be overturned.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Nov 20 20:32
If trump concedes surely betfair pay out
as soon as they confirm his twitter was
not hacked...
By:
Fatslogger
When: 27 Nov 20 20:38

Nov 27, 2020 -- 8:32PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


If trump concedes surely betfair pay outas soon as they confirm his twitter wasnot hacked...


He won’t concede. He’s lost and he’ll leave but he’ll never stop pretending that he was cheated out of a deserved landslide. Whether he really believes this is moot but probably he does. His relationship with truth is that of a narcissist.

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Nov 20 20:40
I don't think he will concede

I was answering a hypothetical
By:
Fatslogger
When: 27 Nov 20 20:41
Oh yes, were he to concede they’d pay out but he won’t.
By:
Sergeant Cecil
When: 27 Nov 20 20:43
I agree they would pay out if he conceded.

HOWEVER, I don't see what relevance this concession has to the rules as written. If Biden is the projected winner he is the projected winner, Trump's concession is irrelevant.
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Nov 20 20:46
If the projected winner turns out not to be the winner
Then you lose your bet , if that’s who you backed
it’s not difficult to understand
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Nov 20 20:47
Betfair are correct
By:
peckerdunne
When: 27 Nov 20 20:52
If Trump concedes Betfair will concede, lfc concedes.
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Nov 20 20:54
Never heard such tripe
By:
peckerdunne
When: 27 Nov 20 20:56
i think you are misinterpreting me, or i haven't been clear i concede.
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Nov 20 20:56
Right , we don’t know who is going to be the next US president

When we do , you’ll get your money

Not before
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Nov 20 20:58
Sorry peckerdunne that tripe reference wasn’t to you
It was to the thread and most of it
By:
peckerdunne
When: 27 Nov 20 20:58
Except we do Laugh
By:
peckerdunne
When: 27 Nov 20 20:58
Ah i see, np.
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Nov 20 21:01
Here it is : you weren’t voting on ‘projected ‘ or anything else
You were voting on who will be president
Could be Biden , could be Trump

WAIT ..until we know
By:
johnbetting
When: 27 Nov 20 21:03
Except the market rules state that we were betting on the projected winner:

"This market will be settled according to the candidate that has the most projected Electoral College votes won at the 2020 presidential election. Any subsequent events such as a ‘faithless elector’ will have no effect on the settlement of this market."
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